Voisin wants Kings to move Karl to the front office
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bajaden
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She wants something ceremonial, how about we retire him by hanging him from the rafters along side all the jerseys. In effigy of course!
Iced Espresso
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The only thing I enjoyed about this article was seeing no one had replied to it at the link.
What did Kayte say?
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Don't remember her exact words, but everyone on the radio postgame was criticizing the lack of playing time for WCS.
Letsgokings13
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He needs to be removed entirely from this org.
SacKings384
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"Hey you know the guy that all the current players despise? Let's give him a nice spot in our front office. Surely that will work well."
Voisin is desperate. She put her eggs in the Karl basket, and when he's out she's likely out as well in terms of insider access.
Voisin is desperate. She put her eggs in the Karl basket, and when he's out she's likely out as well in terms of insider access.
EXACTLY! Which is why I said she's past her prime. She's burned too many bridges and has the respect IMHO of virtually no one in the organization. It's actually kind of sad that she's lost so much of the Kings fan base that no one even bothers to argue with her any longer.
Peter_Gibbons
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I understand why everyone is against it. Though I understand why you would keep him also.
The only way that this works is if Vlade makes Karl an "International Scout". Karl would be away from the team 90% of the time to scout and just relax. I mean, I know Karl won't really be traveling a lot to scout considering his health. But it's either fire him and pay him in full for nothing or pay him and give him a title that makes it less harsh publicly and Karl may do a little bit of work.
If Karl only comes back once in a long while to report to Vlade, I can see Boogie being ok and even friendly with Karl. Any position where Karl actually stays around consistently will be a disaster though.
The only way that this works is if Vlade makes Karl an "International Scout". Karl would be away from the team 90% of the time to scout and just relax. I mean, I know Karl won't really be traveling a lot to scout considering his health. But it's either fire him and pay him in full for nothing or pay him and give him a title that makes it less harsh publicly and Karl may do a little bit of work.
If Karl only comes back once in a long while to report to Vlade, I can see Boogie being ok and even friendly with Karl. Any position where Karl actually stays around consistently will be a disaster though.
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You do not reward failure. And George Karl has failed. I'd rather pay him for nothing than allow him to remain with the organization in any capacity.
Unless we can put him on the ship with The Most Interesting Man in the World to scout players on Mars, I'm not interested.
Livinthedream
All-Star
Karl wouldn't accept that role. He doesn't have to. He's not desperate. Just stubborn.
Peter_Gibbons
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Not trying to reward him. It's mainly to cut ties with him without having to announce that he was FIRED. He can be away 100% of the time if he wants. It shows some level of goodwill from the organization and may go a long way for prospective coaches considering us.
It's clear that a good amount of coaches around the league are on Karl's side and firing him will be another symbol that we blamed everything on the coach to protect the wild child Cousins. While that may not be true, it's what it's going to look like. Offer him a job where he stays away. If he declines, at least we tried to keep things cordial and end things on a good note.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I will back up Mr. Citrus because 1) he's right and 2) he scares the crud out of me.
I have stayed away from the forum and I find a huge conversation about Karl in the FO. Karl is toxic. If people haven't figured that out, they are dull. Also, putting him in a different position does not change his personality. He is still toxic.
End of my contribution.
Sorry, but I do not buy into any of your assumptions.
He will be fired. Calling it anything else doesn't change the facts. To think the league will view it differently is naive at best.
We do not know how many coaches are on Karl's side for the simple reason, as others have stated, that coaches don't talk about other coaches.
Offer him a job where he stays away? Bullcrap. Keep things cordial and end on a good note? Why start now? When you FIRE an employee, you don't expect it to be cordial. You expect it to be final.
Wouldn't you leave this decision to our current problem solver - Vlade? He deserves all the latitude he needs to solve our current problems.
Don't hey owe him about $6 million?
Sac.1989
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yeah i would. Glad Vlade see's things along the same lines. Its just a matter of time now.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Thisis precisely it. Once Karl is shown the door, she has no other inside sources. The front office doesn't like her. The players don't like her. The ownership group doesn't like her. Once Karl is out, she has no sources inside the organization so she goes back to taking pot shots from the distance circiling the pack.
As for Karl, ther could be a PR move to move him to the "consulting" role so that the franchise doesn't cop as much heat nationally. The consulting role is the same one Corbin had (i.e. go home, keep your mouth shut and we will pay you for the duration of your contract). If he has any input into this team next year, we will not progress anywhere.
We need to get a good coach, who believes in defence, who is energetic, has his players back and plays to the strengths of his roster. Ideally its Thibs, but as much as I have some question marks around Brooks, he would be a step in the right direction.
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Im Still Ballin
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Please read my earlier posts
Karl has done enough to be fired. This is true. Have we given him enough of a chance? No. Would it be foolish to let a guy with a Hall of Fame resume walk? Yes. You talk about first round losses, like we are in a position to bargain. How many coaches coach for 1 decade, in 2 decades, in 3 decades, in 4 decades. How many coaches make the playoffs once, twice, five times, ten times, twenty two times? How many coaches make it to the NBA finals? Multiple conference finals? These are the questions you should be asking yourself. His value is right in front of your eyes and you willingly choose to ignore it. He's every bit as good as Rick Adelman, the Sacramento King favorite. Every bit as good.
This isn't about Demarcus v George as it is more about who is expendable. They both are. But only one of them has gotten time to prove their worth to the franchise. And it has been nothing but losing season after losing season, unprofessionalism after unprofessionalism. We know who Demarcus is by now. We know his story. It's just not going to work. We gave an immature cancer career loser so many chances... But we're not giving a Hall of fame coach with a resume to match a second chance? Ridiculous. That's not smart basketball.
Nah, breh. Karl is mad overrated. Might be the most overrated coach of all time, given how people talk about his "HOF resume." No position to bargain? Miss me with that.
And, just because I want to say it again, **** that guy.
And, just because I want to say it again, **** that guy.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
There's been an element of stat-padding/win-total padding to Karl for a good decade now. Running altitude predicated gimmick systems for regular season victories, and getting squashed year after year in the playoffs.
But this past year+ has established something else -- he's done. Whatever he might once have been, he's not anymore. He's the Paul Pierce of coaches at this stage.
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Im Still Ballin
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I don't know about you guys, but I'd love some "win-total padding" in Sacramento.
Peter_Gibbons
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Everyone are making assumptions here.
While I believe he will be fired, I'm offering an alternative for discussion sake.
While coaches may not think Karl did the best job here, it is naive to assume that not doing proper PR work regarding Karl will not hurt our chances of landing a good head coach replacement. Reality is perception does affect our team and we don't have a good one right now. Anger towards Karl for doing a poor job doesn't change that. The reason you would want to be cordial is because the ongoing narrative is we mistreat our coaches, (malone, corbin etc). Its not a good look.
NewArena
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then you can consider Cousins as good as GONE. whether he wanted out or not, Karl would do everything possible to get him the hell outta town. Who the hell cares about the coaching carousel headline, when the next possible headline is "Cousins on the move to blah blah for flexible pieces"
There's no rationalizing that.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
The new Kings' ownership has operated in ad hoc fashion from the very beginning. Hiring the coach, then independently hiring the GM, then firing the coach, then bringing in the new president (Divac), who then makes himself GM, paving the way for the old GM (PDA) to leave. Now we have the suggestion for another ad hoc move. If Vlade were really going to be the long term answer as GM, it could make sense for him, independently, and of his own accord, to hire Karl in a position analogous to Jerry West's at GS. Karl has the knowledge, and a consulting position isn't as demanding as the GM position. However, I don't think Divac should be the GM.
The position of GM isn't an on-the-job-training position. We can't afford to have a GM who is flying by the seat of his pants, learning a job that could take years to master. Vlade is in over his head. The Kings need an experienced hand at GM, one who has major credibility, one who can demand the respect of Vivek and the minority owners and people around the league. If the new GM is desirous of hiring Karl in a consulting position, not because of the pressure of others, but because independently he believes it would be a good idea, fine, then I would applaud the move by the new GM. If the new GM is to have the responsibility over the success or failure of this team, which I think he should, the new GM needs to have the authority of all basketball decisions, and should be promised that he will have the budget commensurate with other successful NBA franchises. It's time for this team to stop with the amateurishness we've seen for over a decade and become a professional basketball team.
The position of GM isn't an on-the-job-training position. We can't afford to have a GM who is flying by the seat of his pants, learning a job that could take years to master. Vlade is in over his head. The Kings need an experienced hand at GM, one who has major credibility, one who can demand the respect of Vivek and the minority owners and people around the league. If the new GM is desirous of hiring Karl in a consulting position, not because of the pressure of others, but because independently he believes it would be a good idea, fine, then I would applaud the move by the new GM. If the new GM is to have the responsibility over the success or failure of this team, which I think he should, the new GM needs to have the authority of all basketball decisions, and should be promised that he will have the budget commensurate with other successful NBA franchises. It's time for this team to stop with the amateurishness we've seen for over a decade and become a professional basketball team.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
People make statements like this just for the sake of making them I think.
There is absolutely NO magic to being an NBA GM. Its not that hard, as hard careers go. Its not that complex. Its not that technical. Guys routinely get hired to the spot from all walks of life. Hey, a lawyer! A coach? A former player? An agent? Whatever floats your boat.
Vlade talked with Pop, with Petrie (wouldn't be surprised if there is not some constant contact there), has an assistant GM in Bratz who has been in the game forever. He may soon hire a cap gerbil. There is absolutely NOTHING a GM does that he does not have access to. There's no magic witches brew. Most of the areas where he might take the longest to get up to speed (BTW he's been on the job a year now -- not a rookie anymore) are areas we will never see, managing scouts and whatnot.
And the area fans care about? Hiring coaches? Scouting players, assessing how to put a team together? THERE IS NO MAGIC. Nor BTW are there any unemployed execs out there who just magically do everything right. Vlade Divac has spent 15 years in and around the NBA. He's been the GM of a franchise for about a year now. He's more than qualified to make basketball decisions.
Fans seem absolutely determined to make themselves as unhappy as possible by inventing fantasy scenarios where Vlade goes or Cuz goes that just aren't going to happen. So then they can enter next year all disappointed that a a thing that wasn't ever going to happen in fact didn't.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Oh great, Vlade talked with Pop and Adelman so he's got everything he needs. Well, I talked to John Wooden. Now make me head coach, gm, and president.
Take the mail room guy, have him talk to a couple of Fortune 500 corporation presidents, and then make him the president of General Electric. The Kings are a billion dollar enterprise. They deserve, no we deserve better, than a GM trainee.
Take the mail room guy, have him talk to a couple of Fortune 500 corporation presidents, and then make him the president of General Electric. The Kings are a billion dollar enterprise. They deserve, no we deserve better, than a GM trainee.Similar threads
