So...after reading the article...the Kings have to much dysfunction and disorganization to attract Thibs, Brooks, etc but Brooklyn is hopeful to attract Thibbs, Brooks, Ettore in its coaching search...because the Nets have been a beacon of rock solid ownership?
Voisin: Vlade must strengthen front office
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Kingster
Hall of Famer
I guess your definition of "personnel guy" is different than mine. I think more in terms of someone who has the ability to discern talent than I do counselor, cheerleader and confidant, who I would describe as Team Counselor. I'd like to know of any other team in the league in which their personnel guy is described as counselor, cheerleader and confidant. I doubt there is one. .
Blob
Starter
I have faith in Vlade's ability to make a good trade, but I also agree that barring any "blow the roof off the place" deals, it's not a bad idea to just sit with what we've got for now. (Which has also been mentioned recently.) I do not think Vlade is going to panic.
Ironically, Vlade's contract is also up at the end of the season, so Vivek has to negotiate with him for a longer deal...
Hey, at least we won't be bored.
By my calculations the Kings have to 18-9 the rest of the season to sniff at the 7th or 8th seed (42-40).
That means effectively a 40% win team so far needs to win 70% of their games.....
I haven't checked the schedule but I think it gets tough.
If Vlade is going to sit with what we've got AND expect to playoff run he's FOOLING himself to the Nth degree!!!
I mean who is kidding who here?!? As you know too well VF21 we have a TERRIBLE stubborn coach who inspires NO ONE....
AND we have MARCO the BRICKO now starting and escorting opposing SG to the rim with red carpet roll-out...
That right there limits your upside to about .500 basketball AT BEST!
If Boogie plays his BEST (and gets his FGAs down to 18-20 per game)...and we pull off a miraculous trade...like say
Marco for Sefolosha (NOT Ben!)
then there's a SNOWBALLS chance.
Otherwise we may as well tank...pull the plug on Boogie....play Seth and Willie 35-40 MPG and hold onto our draft pick (for trade purposes).
27 games is NOT a lot of season left.
I suggest if a TRADE is not consummated to radically shake up the dynamic of the moribund squad in the next 24 hours we make contingency plans which include admitting to ourselves it has been another wasted season.
Happy happy joy joy
Padrino
All-Star
this is not a particularly finite skill, nor does it require any special kind of training. hell, before drafting willie cauley-stein, two separate front office regimes with varying pedigrees and levels of experience spanning four different drafts absolutely whiffed in their evaluation of the available talent when the kings' number was called. this failure is as big a contributor as any to the kings' current malaise. there may not be a grand body of evidence to suggest that vlade divac will be a successful "personnel guy," but such evidence is hardly an indicator of future success in the nba, anyway. in the absence of the kind of luck that tends to change franchise's fortunes for the better, a team needs to establish an identity, stability, chemistry, and a commitment to excellence on both sides of the ball. is vlade the kind of front office exec who can steer a team towards those goals? it certainly remains to be seen. but i don't think he's underqualified for the job, though it would seem wise to bolster the front office ranks further if vlade is in need of additional help...
Blob
Starter
By my calculations the Kings have to 18-9 the rest of the season to sniff at the 7th or 8th seed (42-40).
That means effectively a 40% win team so far needs to win 70% of their games.....
I haven't checked the schedule but I think it gets tough.
If Vlade is going to sit with what we've got AND expect to playoff run he's FOOLING himself to the Nth degree!!!
I mean who is kidding who here?!? As you know too well VF21 we have a TERRIBLE stubborn coach who inspires NO ONE....
AND we have MARCO the BRICKO now starting and escorting opposing SG to the rim with red carpet roll-out...
That right there limits your upside to about .500 basketball AT BEST!
If Boogie plays his BEST (and gets his FGAs down to 18-20 per game)...and we pull off a miraculous trade...like say
Marco for Sefolosha (NOT Ben!)
then there's a SNOWBALLS chance.
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Otherwise we may as well tank...pull the plug on Boogie....play Seth and Willie 35-40 MPG and hold onto our draft pick (for trade purposes).
27 games is NOT a lot of season left.
I suggest if a TRADE is not consummated to radically shake up the dynamic of the moribund squad in the next 24 hours we make contingency plans which include admitting to ourselves it has been another wasted season.
Happy happy joy joy
Last time I checked, it takes two (or more) to tango. We can wish for radically dynamic trades all we like, but if nobody wants to be a part of it, should Vlade just pull the trigger on something/anything?
That's my whole point...and Vlade's. If a trade doesn't accomplish a step in the right direction, he's not gonna do it. And I'm totally on board with that for now.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I'd like to know if there has been any GM in the league that has been hired with as little experience or track record of results when it comes to identifying talent as Vlade Divac. That's not a rhetorical question. I can think of a couple: Kiki Vandewegh and Isaiah Thomas. Those were failures. Maybe somebody can help me out and provide some successes. And where is the track record of results on personnel when it comes to Peja, who was hired by Divac? Doesn't it give you cause for concern when the Divac, somebody no track record as a personnel guy (that means identifying talent, not counseling) hires a guy in Peja with no track record in personnel as his personnel guy? The argument seems to be that discerning talent is all a crap shoot anyway, so what difference does it make. But if that's really what you believe, then bring in a monkey on draft day and have him do the draft selection by throwing at a dart board. Why have a scouting staff at all? And I don't buy that argument, anyway. The overall drafting success of the Spurs and the Thunder doesn't seem to me like pure chance.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Isaiah Thomas had a great eye for talent, and really did a nice job in Toronto for that matter. His troubles came later.
And Vlade Divac hasn't had one misfire yet, unless it be keeping Ben, and that's debateable and a franchise-wide fascination. He nailed his draft pick, the guys he traded away have done a whole lot of nothing around the league. Every guy he acquired was an established guy from winning systems (except I suppose the reaquirement of Acy). No missteps to complain about.
Why don't you give him at least ONE freaking season before you make up your mind.
I'm not that concerned. And, to be honest, I'm pretty pleased with what he's done so far. I'm not sure what Vlade ever did to you but you seem hell-bent on furthering this agenda.
Henkel
Starter
Not using the stretch provision and deciding to make use of future assets to win now could be a misstep. It's not hard to envision that scenario, which critics have pointed out from the moment the trade went down. If this team doesn't win the talent he acquired wasn't worth the risk. Another lost season would also bring more scrutiny to the haphazard manner he went about acquiring players in the offseason. Whatever his intentions or internal logic was, and how much you agreed with it, don't matter. His job and power within the organization is going to be determined rightfully by results. That's the nature of the mandate he was given and the moves he made.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Nobody uses the stretch provision...except bonehead journalists. They should be made to pay the money for a player not even in their town whenever they suggest the teams should.
Henkel
Starter
It does get used on really bad or small contracts. Josh Smith and Sanders being good examples. Regardless you're right I don't write the checks and don't know the business side of things. The problem is even it it's off the table due to financial concerns, which is interesting considering you're about to move into a publicly funded arena while reaping the rewards of a huge TV deal both locally and nationally, you still didn't have to make a move in general, and you definitely didn't have to make that move. And of course whatever move you make you're still accountable for the results. Nature of win now trades, they're not a success unless you win now.
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Flopi
Bench
Old story but please can someone tell me what Divac was supposed to do with the stretch provision because I just can't figure it out (true question) ?
From my understanding :
- Kings had around 11.5M$ in cap space BEFORE the trade
- Landry's contract was 13M$ garanteed / 2 years => 2.6M$ per year during 5 years if stretched (4M$ additional cap space)
- JT's contract was 9M$ garanteed / 2 years => 1.8M$ per year during 5 years if stretched (4.7M$ additional cap space)
- Kings had around 27M$ in cap space AFTER the trade
Those 27M$ were used to sign Rondo, Koufos, Belinelli and re-sign Casspi.
I just can't understand how the same thing can be done with a reduced cap space...
From my understanding :
- Kings had around 11.5M$ in cap space BEFORE the trade
- Landry's contract was 13M$ garanteed / 2 years => 2.6M$ per year during 5 years if stretched (4M$ additional cap space)
- JT's contract was 9M$ garanteed / 2 years => 1.8M$ per year during 5 years if stretched (4.7M$ additional cap space)
- Kings had around 27M$ in cap space AFTER the trade
Those 27M$ were used to sign Rondo, Koufos, Belinelli and re-sign Casspi.
I just can't understand how the same thing can be done with a reduced cap space...
