Voisin: Vlade must strengthen front office
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I thought the differences between her column and Jones' article were particularly telling. You could almost think she doesn't have access to the big teddy bear.
ParniValjak
All-Star
The thing that pisses me off about this two faced journalist (and I use the term journalist very lightly) is that it was OK for her to paddle PDA's bullcrap last year but now she is taking a pot shots.
I distinctly remember her piece on how Kings should get Karl, even if it cost them Cousins in the long run. This pre-season she wrote how Cousins is in mid season shape and now he is out of shape?
Seriously?!
Bottom line is, she doesn't like DeMarcus. Never has and never will. One thing about vindictive people is that they will never see the forest from the trees. Cousins has worked out a long time ago and does not give her the time of the day. She hates it and it affect her work so she would rather see him shipped out so she can gave easier time of it.
She has NEVER been a basketball savvy "journalist". When it comes to basketball, dumb as a bucket of shrimp!
I distinctly remember her piece on how Kings should get Karl, even if it cost them Cousins in the long run. This pre-season she wrote how Cousins is in mid season shape and now he is out of shape?
Seriously?!
Bottom line is, she doesn't like DeMarcus. Never has and never will. One thing about vindictive people is that they will never see the forest from the trees. Cousins has worked out a long time ago and does not give her the time of the day. She hates it and it affect her work so she would rather see him shipped out so she can gave easier time of it.
She has NEVER been a basketball savvy "journalist". When it comes to basketball, dumb as a bucket of shrimp!
FaStRmAn
Starter
UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE NEW MILLENNIA !
And THAT is why I call her ALIEN POISON.
All she looks to do is undermine, back stab, and subvert. She stirs the pot. And she really has NO IDEA about sports or what it takes to build a championship team.
...and that was the birth of Gollum.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
"Divac can fiddle with titles later. He has a proven analytics guru (Roland Beech), an experienced assistant general manager (Bratz), a rookie player personnel director (Peja Stojakovic), a handful of scouts, and it’s not enough."
Agreed. Get a GM with proven results in personnel selection and contracts. The cupboard is bare. Divac and Peja are greenhorns. I wish that the article would have elaborated in detail on the above statement and provided comparisons with other teams around the league, but alas, it didn't.
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Agreed. Get a GM with proven results in personnel selection and contracts. The cupboard is bare. Divac and Peja are greenhorns. I wish that the article would have elaborated in detail on the above statement and provided comparisons with other teams around the league, but alas, it didn't.
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I can't recall any column in Voisin's past that would indicate she'd ever write something that detailed.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Voison just likes to hear herself talk.
There's no particular evidence Divac has been overwhelmed by the responsibility. He made a good draft pick. He was very active during the summer. He's been off traveling with the team trying to babysit them back into relevance.
I'm wondering how much more the magical Spurs front office is supposed to have been accomplishing during that time? Or really virtually anyone. At best you've had a handful of teams meddling in disastrous ways.
Can't help but be a bit suspicious this is Voison looking for another voice to talk to here, and somebody more in line with her, ahem, basketball thought than is Vlade.
carmichaeldave
Bench
I actually like this take, BECAUSE I have such admiration and confidence in Vlade.
Get a true number cruncher GM type that reports to Vlade, and only to Vlade. Let him get bogged down in the minutiae, let him memorize cap figures and data.
I want Vlade to be free to be a more powerful version of a player personnel director, where his real strengths are. I want him counseling, building relationships, and recruiting in the summer.
Let some "nerd" do all the stuff that quite frankly, is a waste of Vlade's talents. He can bring deals to Vlade and let him make the call on what works and what doesn't chemistry wise.
Get a true number cruncher GM type that reports to Vlade, and only to Vlade. Let him get bogged down in the minutiae, let him memorize cap figures and data.
I want Vlade to be free to be a more powerful version of a player personnel director, where his real strengths are. I want him counseling, building relationships, and recruiting in the summer.
Let some "nerd" do all the stuff that quite frankly, is a waste of Vlade's talents. He can bring deals to Vlade and let him make the call on what works and what doesn't chemistry wise.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Oh good lord. People always go on and on about the cap like its some magical impossible thing to understand. In some ways I think its people selling themselves short. Neither basketball nor the cap is nearly as complex as people seem to think it is. There's not an intelligent person familiar with the milieu who couldn't have the thing functionally mastered inside a month. I would say inside a week if you were just going to sit around and take classes on it.
I also think that's not a GM, that's a basement gerbil like PDA. Given the PDA experience I'm not sure I would want one of those around, but if I did, I'd be damned sure to keep it locked up in the basement with a wheel and a piece of cheese rather than up in the air conditioned offices whispering to Vivek.
carmichaeldave
Bench
Oh good lord I for one am not going on and on about the cap.
What I am saying, as a fan of Vlade's, is I don't think his talents are best spent crunching numbers and having the pick situation(s) memorized at a moment's notice.
It's like what Brian Sabean has done with Bobby Evans. Sabes is still the man, but Bobby does a ton of the leg work and brings what is important up the chain.
The state of the Kings' basketball ops is a little skeleton-ish. Scouts, base ops, etc could use a little ramp up. I thought I was being clear that this isn't a dig at Vlade, but more of a complement. Give him more of a staff with him at the top. Let him name a GM, and have him at President of B-ball ops.
I'm not saying the NBA cap and associated things are rocket science, but they aren't simplistic either. It's not just the trade machine and salaries matching, it's the agents and the picks and the cap and needing to know these things in the blink of an eye. The draft war room is uncontrolled chaos with phones ringing non-stop, and if you can't spout complete situational knowledge verbatim you can miss some things.
Love Vlade. He's the guy. I just wouldn't mind him having more help, at least commensurate with other NBA teams.
What I am saying, as a fan of Vlade's, is I don't think his talents are best spent crunching numbers and having the pick situation(s) memorized at a moment's notice.
It's like what Brian Sabean has done with Bobby Evans. Sabes is still the man, but Bobby does a ton of the leg work and brings what is important up the chain.
The state of the Kings' basketball ops is a little skeleton-ish. Scouts, base ops, etc could use a little ramp up. I thought I was being clear that this isn't a dig at Vlade, but more of a complement. Give him more of a staff with him at the top. Let him name a GM, and have him at President of B-ball ops.
I'm not saying the NBA cap and associated things are rocket science, but they aren't simplistic either. It's not just the trade machine and salaries matching, it's the agents and the picks and the cap and needing to know these things in the blink of an eye. The draft war room is uncontrolled chaos with phones ringing non-stop, and if you can't spout complete situational knowledge verbatim you can miss some things.
Love Vlade. He's the guy. I just wouldn't mind him having more help, at least commensurate with other NBA teams.
Henkel
Starter
Any insight into why were not up to par in this area? Is Vlade afraid to share power, or does the structure have more to do with Vivek and his vision for the front office?
Kingster
Hall of Famer
How do we know that Vlade's real strengths are as a player personnel director? The body of evidence is so scant I don't see how anybody can come to that determination.
carmichaeldave
Bench
I can only go on his sterling reputation as a team-building, chemistry guy. Every player that has ever spoken of him says he's the consummate teammate, and every Kings player (DMC especially) trusts and loves him unconditionally. These days, a player personnel guy is a counselor, confidant, cheerleader, and translator for ownership. Hard to doubt Vlade doesn't excel at that and than some.
carmichaeldave
Bench
Then there's this from Woj. A little heavy handed on Vlade, but sounds pretty damned accurate and kind of backs up this conversation:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-tr...-than-pick-for-markieff-morris-042451898.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-tr...-than-pick-for-markieff-morris-042451898.html
In what way? I'm just curious because I feel pretty confident Vlade won't make a trade "just to make a trade" (as he said recently) but will only do something if it actually makes the team better. I'm hoping that's what you mean...
I'm really afraid that Vlade might make the mistake of trading for a player who will help us now, but not in the long run. That's just as bad as making a trade, just to make a trade imo. The FO can't afford to panic right now. It's been said that Vlade is currently looking for a GM. Might be best to wait until Summer for any trades.
I have faith in Vlade's ability to make a good trade, but I also agree that barring any "blow the roof off the place" deals, it's not a bad idea to just sit with what we've got for now. (Which has also been mentioned recently.) I do not think Vlade is going to panic.
Ironically, Vlade's contract is also up at the end of the season, so Vivek has to negotiate with him for a longer deal...
Hey, at least we won't be bored.
A bit off topic, but from this article:
What does that even mean? What is it about our "organizational structure" that would preclude coaches from wanting to come here? Is that a comment about a meddling Vivek, or...?
It might be the fact we have like a bazillion owners who, according to some accounts, can't even agree on what day it is. Or it might be that Vlade's contract is expiring. Or it could be rumors of the Indian burial ground.
Unless you are closer to situation than we, like Dave and Voison.?
