Vlade says DMC will NOT be traded this year

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Capt. Factorial said:
Remember that there's a human behind those posts. If you wouldn't say it to his face, don't say it to his avatar. Keep in mind that the internet dehumanizes every interaction, encouraging bad behavior, and err on the other side. My two cents, since you asked. (Of course, two cents doesn't go very far these days...:))
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Keep in mind that there are some folks who live to post things behind the anonymity of a internet forum. We aren't talking to people's faces. We're speaking to the persona they have chosen to present.

Just my two cents from a different perspective...
 
I have some of the same conversations with good friends about Cousins and or the Kings. Some of them know I'm a die hard Kings fan and they let me have it but its never that serious.....we don't get pissed at each other, they give me an extremely difficult time about Cousins but we laugh about it......dude is so damn talented, dude also can try ones patience. But when it comes to posting on a forum, just keep your big boy or big girl pants on....just my 2 cents.

Now if you excuse me I'm going to look for a bucket to throw some water on Voison.
 
We might want to take a look at Orlando before we jump to shipping out Cousins.

It's been 5 years since the Magic shipped out one of the best young bigs in the game (at the time) in Dwight Howard. They have done nothing since, made an especially bad trade shipping Tobias Harris out and are in search of their 4 or 5 coach.

I really hope we don't go down that road. I really hope coach and DMC get this right.
 
sdballer said:
Oh please, there is a big difference between having different opinions and using every post to try and bash a single player in increasingly inflammatory ways.
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You nailed the all-important distinction. Most can recognize the difference.

Unfortunately, some are taking the bait instead of just ignoring the obvious nonsense.
 
Merdiesel said:
We might want to take a look at Orlando before we jump to shipping out Cousins.

It's been 5 years since the Magic shipped out one of the best young bigs in the game (at the time) in Dwight Howard. They have done nothing since, made an especially bad trade shipping Tobias Harris out and are in search of their 4 or 5 coach.

I really hope we don't go down that road. I really hope coach and DMC get this right.
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Orlando traded Harris who started for the Pistons and also Harkless who was in the Blazers rotation. And now their Coach has quit in frustration. Vlade did good wrapping up the deal with Joeger because now there is one more opening out there and Florida is a nice spot.

The Magic could not hang onto Dwight Howard and also lost Shaquille O'Neal back in the day..... Think about that for a moment. They drafted two of the best Big Men of those eras and could not build around either. Both those guys left. Now look at the way Cousins pledges to want to bring success to the Sacramento Kings.
 
Merdiesel said:
We might want to take a look at Orlando before we jump to shipping out Cousins.

It's been 5 years since the Magic shipped out one of the best young bigs in the game (at the time) in Dwight Howard. They have done nothing since, made an especially bad trade shipping Tobias Harris out and are in search of their 4 or 5 coach.

I really hope we don't go down that road. I really hope coach and DMC get this right.
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Sounds exactly like the same boat the Kings have been in, changed head coaches on a yearly basis almost. Traded Tyreke and IT for practically nothing.
 
The National media, at this point, remind me a lot of my Step-Dad. He doesn't watch Kings games (he lives in Grass Valley) He knows the game, introduced it to me when I was young. He reads the Sacramento Bee, he might catch some highlights He reads the Kings stuff, in the Bee, so we can have things to talk about. Our conversations have grown increasingly... strained. He just parrots back to me the things he has been fed and he is a man who loves to think his opinion caries a great deal of weight, Thinking back, we had these same conversations about CWebb, back in the day. Until the time our 'reporters' and our 'voice of the Kings' choose to get on board and change THEIR narrative, that is the 'reality' that is fed to the casually informed (or have to make a deadline and don't care)
 
King Baller said:
Orlando traded Harris who started for the Pistons and also Harkless who was in the Blazers rotation. And now their Coach has quit in frustration. Vlade did good wrapping up the deal with Joeger because now there is one more opening out there and Florida is a nice spot.

The Magic could not hang onto Dwight Howard and also lost Shaquille O'Neal back in the day..... Think about that for a moment. They drafted two of the best Big Men of those eras and could not build around either. Both those guys left. Now look at the way Cousins pledges to want to bring success to the Sacramento Kings.
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Harris is a lot like Rudy Gay (good numbers and........), Scott Skiles could not get him to buy into playing defence and he was horrendous in the playoffs (for the Pistons) so they needed to ship him to develop Mario/Gordon cause he clearly was not worth the money they gave him (which is way to tried to sign Milsap before him last year).
 
G_M said:
Apparently John Feinstein in his Sports Minute is not a fan of the Kings retaining DMC... Just posting please don't shoot the messenger..


http://radio.com/audio/cbs-sports-minute/
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Am wondering why the opinion of random national media talking head really matters. I would almost guarantee you 1/3 of this board knows more about Cousins than he does. Heck, even many of the anti-Cuzzes...ok, well at least some of them...can come closer to accurate criticisms.
 
Coach killer, huh?
Yeah, he really did in Mike Malone. His fault for getting sick.
Besides, Malone wasn't playing a style suited to his team's strength. They weren't convincingly winning games vs. top teams in the west that year. :rolleyes:

Keith Smart and Ty Corbin?
Hell, if only he shut up and took it like a big boy, Westphal (who, humorously or not, has been the longest tenured Kings coach since Adelman) would still be h...crap, I can't even finish this mockery of a post.

If you want to make an argument that Cousins did in Karl, sure, I can hear that. It's not the strongest argument, but it's probably better than anything anyone can come up with regarding the previous 4 coaches. They fired themselves.
However, you can't say he didn't try to play Karl's way. He pretty much broke himself trying to do so. But I guess that's where losing 20 to 30 lbs would help...which would put him lighter than Anthony Davis.

Just win, baby.
Just win, and shut these people up.
 
Spike said:
Coach killer, huh?
Yeah, he really did in Mike Malone. His fault for getting sick.
Besides, Malone wasn't playing a style suited to his team's strength. They weren't convincingly winning games vs. top teams in the west that year. :rolleyes:

Keith Smart and Ty Corbin?
Hell, if only he shut up and took it like a big boy, Westphal (who, humorously or not, has been the longest tenured Kings coach since Adelman) would still be h...crap, I can't even finish this mockery of a post.

If you want to make an argument that Cousins did in Karl, sure, I can hear that. It's not the strongest argument, but it's probably better than anything anyone can come up with regarding the previous 4 coaches. They fired themselves.
However, you can't say he didn't try to play Karl's way. He pretty much broke himself trying to do so. But I guess that's where losing 20 to 30 lbs would help...which would put him lighter than Anthony Davis.

Just win, baby.
Just win, and shut these people up.
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If you just look at all the head coaches that Cousins has gone through and how many of them are currently still head coach in the league despite the rapid turnover in head coaching position in the league it's really telling. Only one of those coach is currently a head coach in the NBA and it's the coach that Cousins play well for.
 
Pacboy said:
If you just look at all the head coaches that Cousins has gone through and how many of them are currently still head coach in the league despite the rapid turnover in head coaching position in the league it's really telling. Only one of those coach is currently a head coach in the NBA and it's the coach that Cousins play well for.
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And as I've said before, it isn't just the coaches that Boogie played under. The Kings are now on their 9th coach in 11 seasons since Adelman was let go. I think they got a good one in Joerger but outside of him, there is only ONE of the 8 other coaches that got another head coaching job in the NBA after their time in Sacramento and as you said, that's Malone who Cousins worked well with.
 
Pacboy said:
If you just look at all the head coaches that Cousins has gone through and how many of them are currently still head coach in the league despite the rapid turnover in head coaching position in the league it's really telling. Only one of those coach is currently a head coach in the NBA and it's the coach that Cousins play well for.
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I would argue that rapid turnover in fact increases the chances that there they aren't head coaches in the NBA. If Dave Joerger wasn't fired we MIGHT have had a head coach who was not an existing head coach, for example.

I still find this "WELL LOOK WHERE PLAYER X/ COACH X IS NOW" argument overly simplistic. Danny Green isn't in the NBA today without Pop/Duncan/Parker/Ginobili. Great players make players around them look better. Great coaches make their players look better. Great players make their coaches look better. They are all connected and the only thing you can say about the Kings is that they didn't win very much. Maybe Westphal is still a head coach today if he was coaching Lebron in 2011 instead. Last I checked Mike Brown isn't a head coach now, and he had a decent record. As did Mike Woodson, Nate McMillan etc. Are they all bad coaches? Maybe the reason Malone has a head coaching job now is precisely because Cousins played well for him? Point being, it's all related and connected and perhaps a chicken-egg argument.
 
mac said:
I would argue that rapid turnover in fact increases the chances that there they aren't head coaches in the NBA. If Dave Joerger wasn't fired we MIGHT have had a head coach who was not an existing head coach, for example.

I still find this "WELL LOOK WHERE PLAYER X/ COACH X IS NOW" argument overly simplistic. Danny Green isn't in the NBA today without Pop/Duncan/Parker/Ginobili. Great players make players around them look better. Great coaches make their players look better. Great players make their coaches look better. They are all connected and the only thing you can say about the Kings is that they didn't win very much. Maybe Westphal is still a head coach today if he was coaching Lebron in 2011 instead. Last I checked Mike Brown isn't a head coach now, and he had a decent record. As did Mike Woodson, Nate McMillan etc. Are they all bad coaches? Maybe the reason Malone has a head coaching job now is precisely because Cousins played well for him? Point being, it's all related and connected and perhaps a chicken-egg argument.
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I would argue that the rapid turnover actually increases the chance of any of the Kings former coaches getting another shot at a head coaching. Without the turnover, there wouldn't be any opening for them to return to the spotlight. The fact that there has been many opening and yet only ONE of them has landed a head coach position speaks more on the quality of the head coach that we have brought in since Adelman.
 
Pacboy said:
I would argue that the rapid turnover actually increases the chance of any of the Kings former coaches getting another shot at a head coaching. Without the turnover, there wouldn't be any opening for them to return to the spotlight. The fact that there has been many opening and yet only ONE of them has landed a head coach position speaks more on the quality of the head coach that we have brought in since Adelman.
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Well I think it's clear to anyone that our coaches weren't top tier candidates. Point being - with turnover at the same time you have the choice of a Frank Vogel and Dave Joerger and Kevin McHale and Scott Brooks; you don't have to resort to guys with poor winning records as 1st time head coaches (which coaches generally have with our team, regardless who's fault).
 
Again, there are things to be upset with DeMarcus Cousins over but the parade of coaches through Sacramento started before he was drafted. The only coach that looked to have a chance to start turning things around was inexplicably fired and there has been no stability in terms of the roster, the coaches or the front office since Vivek took over the team.

And it certainly isn't Cousins' fault that without him playing the Kings winning percentage over the last three years barely tops Philadelphia's. Or that his starting PF for the last few years was traded as part of a salary dump twice, cut and then claimed by the Raptors who are currently giving him less than 5 mpg in the playoffs. Or that the biggest free agent signing during D'Alessandro's tenure was Carl Landry who essentially missed an entire season with injury and then came back to put up 7 points and 4 boards before being part of the same salary dump. Or that the Kings took Jimmer and missed on Kawhi Leonard & Klay Thompson, took Robinson and missed on Damien Lillard, Harrison Barnes, Andre Drummond, took McLemore over CJ McCollum, Steven Adams and Giannis Antetokoumpo and Stauskas over Elfrid Payton & Zach LaVine or that the only guys the Kings did draft that had talent were essentially allowed to walk for nothing in Tyreke and IT.

This team doesn't need to dump Cousins and rebuild. It DOES need to make consistently good roster decisions and maintain some stability on the bench and in the front office. I'm confident that Joerger and Divac will take care of the latter and I'm optimistic that they (along with Catanella, Stojakovic, Bratz etc) will take care of the former.
 
Bricklayer said:
Am wondering why the opinion of random national media talking head really matters. I would almost guarantee you 1/3 of this board knows more about Cousins than he does. Heck, even many of the anti-Cuzzes...ok, well at least some of them...can come closer to accurate criticisms.
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Criticisms? Cuz? I thought those were not allowed on here or at least strenuously ignored or opposed. At least it hasn't worked for me.
 
Merdiesel said:
We might want to take a look at Orlando before we jump to shipping out Cousins.

It's been 5 years since the Magic shipped out one of the best young bigs in the game (at the time) in Dwight Howard. They have done nothing since, made an especially bad trade shipping Tobias Harris out and are in search of their 4 or 5 coach.

I really hope we don't go down that road. I really hope coach and DMC get this right.
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One could argue that Howard hasn't done anything since he left Orlando. I think Id rather have their current center, Vucevic, than Howard. I don't think trading Howard is the root of why Orlando isn't better. I'm not advocating that we trade Cousins, I just don't think Orlando is a perfect example.
 
OK, lets talk about each coach and Demarcus's interactions with them.


Westphal - He ran a 1-4 offense with Tyreke, he clashed with Demarcus and Demarcus he. He tried to "lay down the law" but it wasn't done correctly. Demarcus was also a rookie/2nd year and very immature.

Fault ratio 60/40 Demarcus/Westphal

Keith Smart - Keith tried to be his buddy. He was a very ineffective coach, got the lifetime coaches award from Gavin Maloof. I'm sure they clashed, but Keith did not have the personality to deal with a player like Demarcus AND he was an awful coach. He was not fired because of Cousins.

Fault ratio 70/30 Smart/Cousins

Mike Malone - Recently reports have come out that Demarcus and he butted heads hard at the beginning, but the coach didn't fray and earned Cousins respect and vice versa. We now know coach was killed by a rodent and left handed flat top wearing gunner.

Fault ratio 100/0/0 PDA-Mullin/Malone/Cousins

Tyrone Corbin - Tyrone was an ultimate lame duck coach. Vivek was convinced that he could lead this team to the promise land by the rodent and lefty. They inexplicably gave him the title of head coach without the interim tag. He was ousted by the Fans and PDA, leading to a rushed Karl hiring.

Fault Ratio PDA/Fans/Cousins 90/10/0 (don't kill me on the fans part, we were very loud about getting a new coach. It was a factor)

George Karl - Shot himself in the foot right at the jump insinuating that Cousins was tradable, then by reports of people like Aaron Bruski, he actually shopped Cousins informally. Vlade was hired, PDA was fired and there was s smudge of hope in the offseason. Then the old ball coach couldn't keep his yapper shut and made things worse. Cousins appeared to attempt to bridge that gap, he had his blow ups and the beginning of the year, temporarily fixed, then downhill from there. Besides the personal attacks, Karl ran a completely ineffective system that led to more losses than should have happened creating the worst case scenario for this roster. Cousins isn't blameless in this one, but he did not instigate any of it.

Fault Ration Karl/Cousins 80/20




So as you can see from my very precise and accurate statistical analysis, Cousins at worst was at fault with only one coach. The rest were management, coaching or systematic failures.
 
Pacboy said:
I would argue that the rapid turnover actually increases the chance of any of the Kings former coaches getting another shot at a head coaching. Without the turnover, there wouldn't be any opening for them to return to the spotlight. The fact that there has been many opening and yet only ONE of them has landed a head coach position speaks more on the quality of the head coach that we have brought in since Adelman.
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Of all the coaches that have come through in the last five years or so, how many have been the result of a coaching search? How many have been interim coaches? Therein lies the problem. The problem originates from the top. We had a good coach in Adelman, but the Maloof's didn't like his social game. Cousins didn't run Westphal out of town, Westphal ran himself out of town by forcing the issue with Petrie. Very similar to when my then girlfriend said I had to choose between her and my daughter. I wished her well. Since then, just about every coaching decision seems to have been made while sitting on a public toilet reading the words of wisdom on the door. Until now!

Personally, I desperately want this to work, because I think this could be Cousins last hurrah if it doesn't. And, I don't think we have to be great to say it's working. We only need to look like a legitimate, contending for the playoffs, team. I'm not asking for miracles, just solid progress with emphasis on the word solid. If that happens, I think Vlade is happy, Cousins is happy, and most of the fans are happy. There will always be naysayers. And if the final result is we make the playoffs, and even get through the first round, unlikely if were in the eighth spot, then so much the better. Lets just get our head above water and start breathing the rarified air.
 
pshn80 said:
Criticisms? Cuz? I thought those were not allowed on here or at least strenuously ignored or opposed. At least it hasn't worked for me.
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And it goes around and around and around one more time. This statement is bull crap. Are you serious when you say criticism of Cousins is not allowed? There is criticism every day. Your perception cannot be changed but this is an absurdity and you know it.
 
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