Oh for goodness sake, really? He said he was going to talk to Boogie in a little bit, because freaking DeMarcus was there. He meant 'in a little bit' as in "right after this" in about 5 minutes. There was no 'afterthought' whatever nuance to it. Joerger did a fantastic job avoiding very pointed questions meant to do NOTHING but try to plant a seed of division. Vlade was also very clear. Either you are IN or you are OUT. No one has ever doubted that DeMarcus has been all IN on this team from the get go. Most players would have left, would not have remained committed to this TEAM. I like that he speaks of family, loyalty, trust and accountability, for everyone. That's all DeMarcus has asked. I think we are about to see the Beast unleashed with a focus.
Vlade says DMC will NOT be traded this year
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You have stumbled across exactly the point.
There is absolutely no way a coach of Joerger's stature chooses a Sacto rebuild over other team's with established stars. None. We would have been lucky to get a top assistant willing to be a sacrificial lamb to our newest rebuild.
You come because we have a superstar too, one built along the same lines as the guys you have already coached. A Sacto rebuild is the worst situation in the NBA.
There is absolutely no way a coach of Joerger's stature chooses a Sacto rebuild over other team's with established stars. None. We would have been lucky to get a top assistant willing to be a sacrificial lamb to our newest rebuild.
You come because we have a superstar too, one built along the same lines as the guys you have already coached. A Sacto rebuild is the worst situation in the NBA.
This franchise has spent countless years in the draft lottery hoping that ping pong balls would magically align just right so that they could have a chance at a player like DeMarcus. They've never landed a top pick in any draft that included a worthwhile player, but finally got lucky that one fell to them in a very rare occurrence YET some are oh so eager to give that player up and return to the days of hoping the team lands another talent just like him. Go figure. It only took 25 years for it to happen the first time.
Perhaps you missed the part where he mentioned Ben and Cuz specifically as already working out? or missed the nuance of the fact that he stated that he and Zack Randolph had talked about Boogie and drawn parallels between Zack's early time and the player he evolved into. If I was to read between the lines and make wild conjecture, I would say that Vlade and Joerger are both very much aware of the talent that DeMarcus has and smart enough to realize that the way to success is to harness it, build stability and stop wasting the prime years of your super star. You might also have missed the part about this not being a total rebuild. that this was a team on the rise. Trading your All-Star Super Star and hoping to get....... something would not fit that narrative.. The heavy lifting (getting that cornerstone piece) has, indeed, been done.
You do have one valid point, Joerger was NOT brought in to deal with a brooding malcontent. Why would he be? The only thing DeMarcus is discontent with is losing, and perhaps frustration in not being coached effectively.
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Both sides of the argument are reading way to much into this, the reality is like all things in the NBA results/what's avaliable will dictate if anyone is traded or not, Vlad basically said we are going to give this a chance to work and see from there. I don't really even see the need for a thread tbh even as a DMC 'hater" I could see this coming and understand why he said it and is most likely doing it. Clearly they thought coaching was the issue in previous cases (except for 9-6 GOAT) so why would they move him now that they think they have a good coach?
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All that reading between the lines is just head-in-a-cloud waste of time IMHO.
Whether you think this was a fierce commitment to never trade Big Cuz,
or you believe you heard hints and subtext about this being DMC's last chance...
You are missing a very simple point:
If somehow this year would go bad
(for whatever reason - even bad luck)
there will be an absolute nessecity to trade DMC, and even the most die-hard Boogie-supporters should be on board, because the alternative would be most likely to let him walk for nothing.
If, on the other hand, this same-page start will bear fruit and make this team significantly better (as I'm quite certain will happen) - the Kings wouldn't want to change and break that team up.
Either way - it has nothing to do with what Boogie does, or doesn't do, as some of us try to portray it.
It's not about our big guy's conduct or what-not. It's a no-brainer in any of the cases - a simple matter of business circumstances that dictate the future path, IMHO.
Am I missing anything?
Whether you think this was a fierce commitment to never trade Big Cuz,
or you believe you heard hints and subtext about this being DMC's last chance...
You are missing a very simple point:
If somehow this year would go bad
(for whatever reason - even bad luck)
there will be an absolute nessecity to trade DMC, and even the most die-hard Boogie-supporters should be on board, because the alternative would be most likely to let him walk for nothing.
If, on the other hand, this same-page start will bear fruit and make this team significantly better (as I'm quite certain will happen) - the Kings wouldn't want to change and break that team up.
Either way - it has nothing to do with what Boogie does, or doesn't do, as some of us try to portray it.
It's not about our big guy's conduct or what-not. It's a no-brainer in any of the cases - a simple matter of business circumstances that dictate the future path, IMHO.
Am I missing anything?
I don't think Vlade would start his career as a GM by lying. He needs to be trustworthy to deal with free agents and the like. These convoluted stories about how he would lie to keep peace on a temporary basis make for interesting reading and give an insight into how the mind of the writer works.
An issue bigger than short term peace is that we need to dig our franchise out of a bad hole, Lying, for any reason, would have long term negative affects.
An issue bigger than short term peace is that we need to dig our franchise out of a bad hole, Lying, for any reason, would have long term negative affects.
First of all - I think you are right with your comments about Boogie, Valde and Joerger.
But in theory the jobs in Indiana and Houston could be a less favourable situation for Joerger despite the superstars on the teams.
Joerger just got fired, because there was a gap between management and himself.
Now when you look at Indiana and Houston both franchises moved on from successful coaches for various reasons. In Indiana it was pretty much the same situation for Vogel like it was for Joerger in Memphis. And McHale got fired, because management sided with Harden (I believe) and thought he couldn't reach his players anymore despite his recent playoff success.
Both franchises expect immidiate success. They want to be back in the playoffs asap and a first round exit is probably not acceptable.
In Sacramento a coach has way more leash, after the Malone and Karl desasters. Sacramento is trying to build stability and Joerger isn't on the hot seat here. Vivek and Vlade won't fire or let a coach go over a disagreement about the playstyle of the team, because we did it with Malone and it backfired completely.
Strangely the Kings coaching job presents itself as the least risky and most stable job available, without the need for a full scale rebuild.
Unless you follow and believe Voison, Grant and the national media and basketball “experts“ of course.
But in theory the jobs in Indiana and Houston could be a less favourable situation for Joerger despite the superstars on the teams.
Joerger just got fired, because there was a gap between management and himself.
Now when you look at Indiana and Houston both franchises moved on from successful coaches for various reasons. In Indiana it was pretty much the same situation for Vogel like it was for Joerger in Memphis. And McHale got fired, because management sided with Harden (I believe) and thought he couldn't reach his players anymore despite his recent playoff success.
Both franchises expect immidiate success. They want to be back in the playoffs asap and a first round exit is probably not acceptable.
In Sacramento a coach has way more leash, after the Malone and Karl desasters. Sacramento is trying to build stability and Joerger isn't on the hot seat here. Vivek and Vlade won't fire or let a coach go over a disagreement about the playstyle of the team, because we did it with Malone and it backfired completely.
Strangely the Kings coaching job presents itself as the least risky and most stable job available, without the need for a full scale rebuild.
Unless you follow and believe Voison, Grant and the national media and basketball “experts“ of course.
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I'm with you and Ron. I think this move really emphasized the fact that Vlade wants to move forward with THIS team. When Vlade took over, he got the newly appointed coach and the roster. Last year Vlade did some significant roster changes and drafted a big man. At the end of the year he was not convinced that the fit between the roster and the coach was a productive one, so he removed the coach. Now he has picked his choice of a coach. A coach that he really worked hard to get. NBA teams make adjustments every year. Vlade will make his by the end of the next season. I'm pretty sure that the team is now very close to what Vlade wanted. Everybody following NBA basketball understands that if the Timberwolves would ask to trade Karl-Antony Towns and Andrew Wiggins for DMC, it is the obligation of the GM to pull the trigger. However, that's not going to happen, so let's relax and concentrate on what we can get from the draft. I'm really optimistic right now. I consider the playoffs a certainty next year.
Best Fans in the world are Kings Fans - Check
Owner saves the Kings for Sacramento - Check
DeMarcus is an All Star - Check
Vlade is a great GM - Check
Front Office is improved - Check
Dave Joerger is a great Coach - Check
OK time to draft another Good Rookie, sort out the Free Agents and perhaps a trade. Add a couple of solid wing defenders and three point shooters and BOOM!
I can't wait for it all to unfold
Owner saves the Kings for Sacramento - Check
DeMarcus is an All Star - Check
Vlade is a great GM - Check
Front Office is improved - Check
Dave Joerger is a great Coach - Check
OK time to draft another Good Rookie, sort out the Free Agents and perhaps a trade. Add a couple of solid wing defenders and three point shooters and BOOM!
I can't wait for it all to unfold
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nah, she's not that smart or ambitious. she hasn't even learned to use twitter yet, much less infiltrate a fan board.
It does seem obvious that she's got a petty vendetta against DeMarcus and even Vlade. To suggest that Vivek twisted an arm or that Vlade caved to get DJ sounds so ridiculous. To throw in a jab about DeMarcus is not even from left field.. its from way out in the outer parking lot.
It is a wonder to me that nobody at the Bee has said "give it a rest Aileen, you're being too obvious".
It does seem obvious that she's got a petty vendetta against DeMarcus and even Vlade. To suggest that Vivek twisted an arm or that Vlade caved to get DJ sounds so ridiculous. To throw in a jab about DeMarcus is not even from left field.. its from way out in the outer parking lot.
It is a wonder to me that nobody at the Bee has said "give it a rest Aileen, you're being too obvious".
He said unequivocally that he will not trade Cousins this year which is as far as any reasonable person would look ahead for this type of statement.
If you would like to argue about what will happen after the next season or semantics enjoy, you might be lonely.
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If you would like to argue about what will happen after the next season or semantics enjoy, you might be lonely.
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