Venting..............

[pilot305]

That performance was PATHETIC!!! Since we're f**in' stuck with this group of underachievers, why can't someone teach them how to play on the other side of the ball: DEFENSE?? This organization has become a joke of underachievers, has-beens, and leftovers of the NBA. I don't think we could compete in the D-League. This is so sad..... I guess when the team moves to Las Vegas, Anaheim, or Seattle (because you know damn well that will happen) the Maloofs will do something about it. Isn't that the plan all along?? Where is Rick Vaughn when you need him??

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Take the good with the bad. They just broke a 3 pt record on us, so now we have to improve our perimter d or else somethings gotta change. Hopefully theres more emphasis on defense in practice, scoring is not a problem.

 

[Bricklayer]

Take the good with the bad. They just broke a 3 pt record on us, so now we have to improve our perimter d or else somethings gotta change. Hopefully theres more emphasis on defense in practice, scoring is not a problem.

Not only that, but the silver lining is that now that the 3pt record has been moved from 21 in a game to 23 in a game it is that much harder for anybody else to set a new one against us!

 

[pilot305]

Not only that, but the silver lining is that now that the 3pt record has been moved from 21 in a game to 23 in a game it is that much harder for anybody else to set a new one against us!

Wow, i feel so much better now! Thanks!!

 

[Rockmeister]

They just broke a 3 pt record on us, so now we have to improve our perimter d or else somethings gotta change. Hopefully theres more emphasis on defense in practice, scoring is not a problem.

I have seen NO improved on playing defense on the perimeter. The Kings had this problem when Reggie was coaching and they are still having the same problems with Kenny Natt.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

I just hope Kmart isnt our modern day Mitch Richmond. great player on a bad team. no help until after his prime.......then goes to the lakers.

 

[Kingster]

I have seen NO improved on playing defense on the perimeter. The Kings had this problem when Reggie was coaching and they are still having the same problems with Kenny Natt.

It was an interesting interview at half time with the assistant coach. It was obvious that the players weren't doing what the coaches had preached for them to do. They didn't prepare mentally before the game on what they were supposed to do. They sure had a good time on offense in the first half before they realized they were falling further and further behind....

 

[tyrant]

This organization has become a joke of underachievers, has-beens, and leftovers of the NBA. I don't think we could compete in the D-League. This is so sad..... I

jackpot. every player in our starting 5 doesnt belong in an nba starting lineup. except for kevin. this team is an embarrasement to the one of 2002. *esus, and in the same decade. this has to be the biggest 360 in sports history other than the dolphins going 1-16 then making the playoffs this year

 

[Spike]

I just hope Kmart isnt our modern day Mitch Richmond.

Why not? Won't he bring us the modern day Chris Webber?

this has to be the biggest 360 in sports history

Umm....360 represents a full circle. Unless you mean we're back to the powder blue days, in which case I may agree with you.

Are you also in the belief that JT and Hawes don't belong? If so, I think it's foolish to give up on players who have been in the NBA for less than 2 years.

 

[Warhawk]

Umm....360 represents a full circle. Unless you mean we're back to the powder blue days, in which case I may agree with you.

I think he meant 180 degrees, or 3.1416± radians.

 

[kingsnation]

jackpot. every player in our starting 5 doesnt belong in an nba starting lineup. except for kevin.

I disagree.

3 of the 5 (Kevin, Miller, JT) belong in a strarting 5. Salmons should be a 6th man, unfortunately - he won't settle for that role. And Beno should be a backup pg somewhere but not starting.

Salmons and Beno need someone to take them aside and say "hey wake up, you need the NBA - the NBA doesn't need you."

Beno had this in SA, and he was unwilling to listen.

Brad on the other hand, well I think we are all burnt out of this situation. The team, fans and Miller all want to move on - were just waiting for the day - and it's coming across in his play.

 

[keflanag]

jackpot. every player in our starting 5 doesnt belong in an nba starting lineup. except for kevin. this team is an embarrasement to the one of 2002. *esus, and in the same decade. this has to be the biggest 360 in sports history other than the dolphins going 1-16 then making the playoffs this year

Really???!!!!! The "biggest 360 in sports history"? A team with aging, injured players gradually slides from contenders to a lower rung playoff team, to the bottom of the league over a 7 year span, and THAT is the biggest 360 in sports history?!

You must have forgotten about this little known team called the Boston Celtics. Or the Florida Marlins the years before and after their World Championship. And there are hundreds of cases of teams making turnarounds from bad to good and vice versa at much faster rates than the Kings have done.

And not to be too picky, but a 360 would put you right where you started. Try a 180.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I just hope Kmart isnt our modern day Mitch Richmond.

Rock played defense.

 

[bajaden]

I think he meant 180 degrees, or 3.1416± radians.

Thanks for that insight. Now could you elaborate on 90 degrees. Or better yet. Explain a 110 percent of anything, for me.

 

[bajaden]

Not to make excuses, but the Magic aren't exactly chopped liver. I think they have a legitimate shot at winning the whole ball of wax. The Kings had just won a game ( yippi ) and had been competive in the two prior games.

If your going to be blown out, its likely to come against a team like the Magic or the Celts etc. Just in case anyone's forgotten. This is what a rebuild usually looks like. A little promise followed by inconsistancy and sometimes total failure. Not fun, but it is what it is.

 

[FakeInjury]

Hawes needs to never shoot from outside 5 feet. His shot is unreliable, and ugly....Hitch is an understatement. His shot is flat, he does appear to aim much, and that hitch is killing his release time. The funny part is a hitch is easy to fix. He needs to lean back, and use his legs and forget ABOUT HITCHING THE BALL! I used a hitch, but then i realized that a hitch is only good when no one is around to defend you....spencer hawes is loosing value every hitch shot he takes, and then gaines value when he performs a hook shot. if he wants a fat contract, he needs to forget about the three ball because he gets the hook when it doesn't go in.

 

[Warhawk]

Thanks for that insight. Now could you elaborate on 90 degrees. Or better yet. Explain a 110 percent of anything, for me.

90° is the perfect summertime temperature.

I can't help you with the 110% thing, sorry....

 

[Jerryaki]

this guy knows about playing at 110%:

Ah... well, you know, you go out there and you give a 110%, and you wanna play good, and, you know, you hope you play good... I think we played pretty good tonight!

 

[kennadog]

Thanks for that insight. Now could you elaborate on 90 degrees. Or better yet. Explain a 110 percent of anything, for me.

I'll take a stab at the 110% (or more).

The Magic was able to play at 190% last night, becasue they were able to use the 90% the Kings didn't use.

 

[SacKings7]

I disagree.

3 of the 5 (Kevin, Miller, JT) belong in a strarting 5. Salmons should be a 6th man, unfortunately - he won't settle for that role. And Beno should be a backup pg somewhere but not starting.

Salmons and Beno need someone to take them aside and say "hey wake up, you need the NBA - the NBA doesn't need you."

Beno had this in SA, and he was unwilling to listen.

Brad on the other hand, well I think we are all burnt out of this situation. The team, fans and Miller all want to move on - were just waiting for the day - and it's coming across in his play.

What has JT done to warrant a starting spot in the NBA? NOTHING. I'm a fan of his, but he's not a bona fide starter in this league, at least not yet.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Take the good with the bad. They just broke a 3 pt record on us, so now we have to improve our perimter d or else somethings gotta change. Hopefully theres more emphasis on defense in practice, scoring is not a problem.

Yup...how do you think Golden State felt in 1989 when we broke the THEN 3 pt. record on them, and we sucked that year, too.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I just hope Kmart isnt our modern day Mitch Richmond. great player on a bad team. no help until after his prime.......then goes to the lakers.

Who knows...but hopefully we dont suck for another 5-8 years, Kevin is ONLY 25 yrs old(26 in like 2 weeks), but he's only in the 2nd real year of his prime, with probably 4 or 5 more to go...HOPEFULLY Geoff can put something together with all the $$$ we're going to have after next season and more high draft picks. Hey, look what Danny Ainge did for the C's in 1 offseason for God's sake...they were AWFUL, and then he made a trade for a guy named Ray Allen, then another for that guy named Garnett...and POOF...look what happened in 1 offseason.

 

[ZZE916]

Thanks for that insight. Now could you elaborate on 90 degrees. Or better yet. Explain a 110 percent of anything, for me.

It's easy to have 110% of something tangible. If you have $100, 110% of that would be $110 dollars. Unfortunately, that does not apply to something like the Kings' defensive effort last night. 110% of zero is still zero.

 

[Gary]

I will vent a little since this is the thread to do so...

First off FIRE NATT, and trade Beno! If nobody will take Beno just give him a black hefty trash bag and tell him to get inside it, and put him out on the curb.

Trade the guys that don't matter to the Kings future like Miller, Salmons, and let the other vets with no value like Moore, Thomas, Douby, Williams expire. Keep Garcia, Martin, Thompson, Hawes, and maybe Brown.

I don't know hat's with all this "trade Martin" crap. Every good team needs a guy that can score. Martin is a damn fine scorer. He does not necessarily need to be the leader, or the leader does not need to be the highest scorer on the team. I like Martins game, and think we should keep him.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I will vent a little since this is the thread to do so...

First off FIRE NATT, and trade Beno! If nobody will take Beno just give him a black hefty trash bag and tell him to get inside it, and put him out on the curb.

Trade the guys that don't matter to the Kings future like Miller, Salmons, and let the other vets with no value like Moore, Thomas, Douby, Williams expire. Keep Garcia, Martin, Thompson, Hawes, and maybe Brown.

I don't know hat's with all this "trade Martin" crap. Every good team needs a guy that can score. Martin is a damn fine scorer. He does not necessarily need to be the leader, or the leader does not need to be the highest scorer on the team. I like Martins game, and think we should keep him.

Agree totally! You dont have to be a leader if you are the highest scoring playing on a team, take Rip Hamilton for example, he's always been the highest scorer on the Pistons since he got in Detroit, yet he's never been the 'leader', that's always been Rasheed or Ben Wallace before, and now Iverson, to go along with Tayshaun. So trading Martin just for the sake of doing it is stupid, we need to keep him here because he will be a part of our future for years to come, whatever future that may be. He can score 25 pts a game and leave the pep talking to someone else.

 

[HighTopKicks]

I will vent a little since this is the thread to do so...

First off FIRE NATT, and trade Beno! If nobody will take Beno just give him a black hefty trash bag and tell him to get inside it, and put him out on the curb.

Trade the guys that don't matter to the Kings future like Miller, Salmons, and let the other vets with no value like Moore, Thomas, Douby, Williams expire. Keep Garcia, Martin, Thompson, Hawes, and maybe Brown.

I don't know hat's with all this "trade Martin" crap. Every good team needs a guy that can score. Martin is a damn fine scorer. He does not necessarily need to be the leader, or the leader does not need to be the highest scorer on the team. I like Martins game, and think we should keep him.

As long as Martin plays poor defense he will never be a leader. A leader needs to be the one who gets in your face when your not getting the job done. But, Martin will never be able to do that with his weak man & help defense. People in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks.

As far as trading Martin, I agree people shouldn't be talking about it, we should just do it. We need help everywhere, and it doesn't look like we're going to get much for Miller. And, after this year the only trade material we'll have is Salmons & Martin. So, depending on how we luck out in the draft, we'll probably not get all the pieces we need. So, unless we're going for the 1st pick in the 2010 draft, we might have to move Martin.

But, if everyone is willing to live with 20 or less wins next year and maybe the year after, will just keep him. He'll love being the 30pt scorer on the worst team in the league.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Hawes needs to never shoot from outside 5 feet. His shot is unreliable, and ugly....Hitch is an understatement. His shot is flat, he does appear to aim much, and that hitch is killing his release time. The funny part is a hitch is easy to fix. He needs to lean back, and use his legs and forget ABOUT HITCHING THE BALL! I used a hitch, but then i realized that a hitch is only good when no one is around to defend you....spencer hawes is loosing value every hitch shot he takes, and then gaines value when he performs a hook shot. if he wants a fat contract, he needs to forget about the three ball because he gets the hook when it doesn't go in.

I completely disagree with you. He's pretty much the third best three point shooter on our team, and he's only like 20 years old. I have faith he can develop Dirk like accuracy from outside. As many moves as he has, and as good as he is, he needs the outside shot to help his game or else he's just gonna get bullied by players like Greg Oden and Dwight Howard his entire career.

 

[FakeInjury]

I completely disagree with you. He's pretty much the third best three point shooter on our team, and he's only like 20 years old. I have faith he can develop Dirk like accuracy from outside. As many moves as he has, and as good as he is, he needs the outside shot to help his game or else he's just gonna get bullied by players like Greg Oden and Dwight Howard his entire career.

3rd best at threes? let me drop a few names that are arguable better 3pt shooters.
1. Kevin Martin
2. Francisco Garcia
3. Bobby Jackson
4. Bobby Brown
5. Donte Greene
6. Brad Miller
7. John Salmons

Spencer has a good percentage, but those things lie all the time. If you were to ask me to choose one player to make a three in the clutch, it would be all seven of those players before Spencer. Not just because it makes my argument, but b/c it's true.

I would like to name off the 6-10 plus players who can nail a three with some semblance of consistency. in no particular order

1. Dirk Nowwhatshisname
2. Tim Thomas
3. Toni Kukoc
4. Rashard Lewis
5. Matt Bonner

Its not that i don't think spencer is a decent player, he is. He just isn't one of these 5 guys, and he shouldn't even try because it's nearly futile. If he gets over that sophmore slump, anything is possible. But right now, he is shooting himself in the foot.

 

[kingsfan101]

I have seen NO improved on playing defense on the perimeter. The Kings had this problem when Reggie was coaching and they are still having the same problems with Kenny Natt.

Can't find it now, but I am sure I read an article (in Bee if I remember correctly), as to how the defense was better under Kenny, than under Theus. Might be just a small sample, or a healthier roster, or whatever. But, if true, shows that there might be a slight improvement there.

As for Magic's 3 point barrage, yes, it was sad and embarrassing. Without making any excuses for the team, wanted to highlight, that Magic have been lighting it up from downtown recently. Here is an update from Hollinger's article on ESPN (Note to mods: It is in the insider section, so if it violates the board policies, please remove it).

The amazing thing isn't just that the Magic made 23 of 37 3-pointers Tuesday in a 139-107 rout of Sacramento; it's that it was nearly the worst shooting game in their past three. The Magic made 14-of-22 to stun the Spurs in San Antonio on Sunday, and hit 16-of-28 in a 32-point rout of the Hawks on Friday.In their past four games the Magic are 53-for-87 on 3s (60.9 percent), shooting the triple both in unprecedented quantity and with unrivaled accuracy. Twice in the past three games, they've broken 70 points by halftime.

 

[kingsfan101]

I completely disagree with you. He's pretty much the third best three point shooter on our team, and he's only like 20 years old. I have faith he can develop Dirk like accuracy from outside. As many moves as he has, and as good as he is, he needs the outside shot to help his game or else he's just gonna get bullied by players like Greg Oden and Dwight Howard his entire career.

Hawes should stop shooting from outside, because his job is to stay inside. If he is a good shooter, he may be allowed a couple of outside shots each game, but he is supposed to primarily play in the paint.