Vegas Summer League GAME 2: Sacramento Kings v. LA Clippers , 7/8/18 8 PT, 11 ET
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Folsomkingsfan
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Unfortunately that usually makes you a bad player in this league. Unless you are crazy athletic, you need bball iq and/or court vision to be useful to team. Mason doesn't check any of those boxes. Then add in the fact that he is already 24 and very unlikely to improve. I wish the guy success as he seems like a very hard worker, but he's just not worth a roster spot.
BeerNerd916
Bench
I get it. Was watching but not listening. So didnt hear if anything was said. They were winning until Giles was rested. That's all. He deserves the rest anyway. ThanksYep. Five games in 7 nights AND they wanted to get more looks at the other guys. They know what they've got with Giles. I'd just as soon they not push him too hard. It is just summer league and it's apparent he's as ready right now as somebody who has been playing the past couple of years.
I knew you were going to come back with that as soon as I hit "post reply."
I think it's partially what you said (he is a hard worker) that keeps me wanting to defend him. I hate to call any King a bad player but he just doesn't have anywhere near enough marks on the plus side to overcome all the minuses.
At this level of play he's worth a roster spot as a 3rd PG. I mean.. if PapaG could remain on the roster so can Frank. Not as an actual rotation player on a winning team though.
It is a shame because he has shown flashes. But at his size just driving and chucking layups is not gonna work. If he at least develops a floater or a midrange pull up he may have some use as a Barea-like scorer off the bench.
I have always thought masons problems with being a point guard are the following.
Usually front court players and a lot of wings need a good guard to help break down the defensive.
But when your point guard can’t even create his own shot how’s he going to help his teammates.
Yes we need a back up point guard almost more than a small forward.
Usually front court players and a lot of wings need a good guard to help break down the defensive.
But when your point guard can’t even create his own shot how’s he going to help his teammates.
Yes we need a back up point guard almost more than a small forward.
Sean Cunningham@SeanCunningham
In what is supposed to be a day off on Monday, the Kings summer league team will actually be scrimmaging a Chinese team tomorrow night. Larry Lewis said they're still getting guys adjusted like the 3 new players added to the Vegas games.
In what is supposed to be a day off on Monday, the Kings summer league team will actually be scrimmaging a Chinese team tomorrow night. Larry Lewis said they're still getting guys adjusted like the 3 new players added to the Vegas games.
I'm starting to think the only reason Mason looked good last year was teams didn't scout him at all and Hill and Fox to start off were beyond awful and made him in a way look better, he seems to have really regressed sort of like how Ray Mccallum towards the end of a season was good than he got figured out but still at least managed to dominate Summer League.
Hopefully he can regain that form of what he did last year where Grant Napear was calling him a 10 year player and not what I say after he came back last year and now.
Hopefully he can regain that form of what he did last year where Grant Napear was calling him a 10 year player and not what I say after he came back last year and now.
He was excellent last year (I think in Orlando) for the Miami Heat 2nd year in a row I have came away impressed by Auguste
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Hrmmmmmmmm, one of these is not like the others.
Folsomkingsfan
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I knew you were going to come back with that as soon as I hit "post reply."
I think it's partially what you said (he is a hard worker) that keeps me wanting to defend him. I hate to call any King a bad player but he just doesn't have anywhere near enough marks on the plus side to overcome all the minuses.
I don't want to call him a bad player either, because he is not technically. In any other league he would probably be very useful or maybe even dominate. But in the NBA, he unfortunately is. His skill set just has not translated over. I guess he'd be fine as a 3rd string pg and end of the bench guy. A sort of human victory cigar. But I don't think that is fair to a guy who works as hard as Frank does.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I just don't see Mason fitting with this team. He's actually more of a pg who likes the pace slower so he can manage the game, pound the rock, and take some controlled outside shots. He doesn't fit with an up-tempo open court style of play, nor is he all that good in creating for others in the half court. Again, I saw a fast break in which Auguste race past Mason who was jogging dribbling the ball up the floor; Mason was about five feet behind the half court line and August about eight feet in front of the half court line; Auguste was in a wide open lane with nobody within eight feet from him, and Mason doesn't give him the ball; August would have had to take three or four dribbles to have a slam dunk. Those are the kind of plays in which your point guard just has to give up the ball to the forward. This was the exact same situation he had in an earlier game with Bagley racing up the floor. Maybe in college with college talent it's ok to control the ball and not pass the ball to your forward because he can't dribble three or four times to the get to the basket. Not in the NBA.
I agree with Kingster. Some guys have trouble speeding up their fast breaks.
We put together a team to play at the prison in Washington State a long time ago. I found three guys that had played together at the local high school team. During the first practice one guy stopped and asked "you don't come from a fast breaking team do you?"
Mason has skills but he is a plodder. What worked at Kansas seems painfully slow. When he gets in the lane which is frequently, he has a lot of trouble in the tall trees. He needs to dish a lot more and stop and put up some floaters.
Some of the new guys in the summer league can play. They all seem to have some weaknesses though that is preventing them from making a regular roster.
We put together a team to play at the prison in Washington State a long time ago. I found three guys that had played together at the local high school team. During the first practice one guy stopped and asked "you don't come from a fast breaking team do you?"
Mason has skills but he is a plodder. What worked at Kansas seems painfully slow. When he gets in the lane which is frequently, he has a lot of trouble in the tall trees. He needs to dish a lot more and stop and put up some floaters.
Some of the new guys in the summer league can play. They all seem to have some weaknesses though that is preventing them from making a regular roster.
Telemachus
Starter
This was the problem I had in the game against Miami. Bagley realized his advantage against the smaller, quicker player was to use his size in the post. He would run and get early position only to not get the ball from the guards. When they would finally pass to him, the double team had time to get there and the pass would take him 5 to 7 feet further from the basket (negating the advantage).
NewArena
All-Star
Mhmm or even a Kevin Martin type, who watched a lot of tape of Hamilton and D. Wade. he combined that ability to move without the ball, with the ability to draw fouls, and it worked out pretty damn well.
Suicide King
Starter
Yep. Despite the comments of some that Kevin would never start in the NBA, and he'd probably be out of the league within a couple of years, he had a nice career.
Telemachus
Starter
Yeah, his rookie season didn't make anyone think that he was going to be a good player. I guess this is why you generally give at least 3 years before making judgements about a player.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
When I saw Bagley playing at Duke I saw him repeatedly run the floor and either be open under the basket or be guarded by a small under the basket, with the Duke guards failing to get him the ball. I thought that would all change when Bagley got to the NBA and he was playing with NBA guards. Little did I know...
It was interesting to me that when Divac was interviewed at half time he made a point that Bagley would do well with Fox. He obviously sees what's going on without Fox.Similar threads
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