Update on the Ike situation...

[Showtime]

cuz dude is like reke's height LMAO. yeah thats going to strike some fear on lebron coming in the lane for a dunk. let me jump over that tree stump

IMO his size makes up for his height. The Kings had 7 foot Miller who was a DOORMAT, so don't quote height and tell me about post defense. Ike takes up a lot of space and he can throw his big body around which was why he was able to work against Nene, who ABUSED the Kings in the past.

 

[beb0p]

I stand by my prediction at the end of the season that Ike is not coming back. He is simply not GP's type of player. I know there's still this fallacy that Petrie loves offense and damn defense, but it's just that, a fallacy. Ike is a good scorer who is ok but not great defensively. That last part is a deal breaker.

If anything, I think the big man who Petrie will bring in to replace Ike is going to be his polar opposite - big, good defender, won't score much, and a blue collar type.

 

[SacTownKid]

I stand by my prediction at the end of the season that Ike is not coming back. He is simply not GP's type of player. I know there's still this fallacy that Petrie loves offense and damn defense, but it's just that, a fallacy. Ike is a good scorer who is ok but not great defensively. That last part is a deal breaker.

If anything, I think the big man who Petrie will bring in to replace Ike is going to be his polar opposite - big, good defender, won't score much, and a blue collar type.

Sometimes you take what you can get. You re-sign Ike, let him battle it out with Hawes and Thompson to see who sticks. Of course you hope they all do well that way you can then trade any one of those pieces for what you need. There are no defensive bigs out there right now. NONE.

 

[Bricklayer]

Diogu is 6'8" without hops -- can not remotely play center in the NBA (or except for a couple of games PF for that matter ). But the larger issue might be the caproom. Let's say you did throw $2.5mil at him bidding against nobody. Well all of a sudden instead of being one of the few teams left with enough cap room to go over the MLE, you are now left not even being able to compete with teams who still have their MLEs. Just would make no sense to sign Ike for that kind of change until deep int he summer after you were done trying to make other moves.

 

[Showtime]

Diogu is 6'8" without hops -- can not remotely play center in the NBA (or except for a couple of games PF for that matter ). But the larger issue might be the caproom. Let's say you did throw $2.5mil at him bidding against nobody. Well all of a sudden instead of being one of the few teams left with enough cap room to go over the MLE, you are now left not even being able to compete with teams who still have their MLEs. Just would make no sense to sign Ike for that kind of change until deep int he summer after you were done trying to make other moves.

What other moves are there? There's nobody left that would be good that can be had for the MLE.

 

[Smills91]

What other moves are there? There's nobody left that would be good that can be had for the MLE.

A Boozer trade comes to mind. We can give the Jazz 9 million in cap space right now, almost more than any other team, and the MOST outside their own division(PDX/OKC).

With the Jazz pretty desperate to move some salary now, we could potentially re-up this roster rather quickly IMO.

 

[Showtime]

A Boozer trade comes to mind. We can give the Jazz 9 million in cap space right now, almost more than any other team, and the MOST outside their own division(PDX/OKC).

With the Jazz pretty desperate to move some salary now, we could potentially re-up this roster rather quickly IMO.

Too bad Miami is working to get Boozer right now in a deal that would send them Haslem.

 

[SacTownKid]

Diogu is 6'8" without hops -- can not remotely play center in the NBA (or except for a couple of games PF for that matter ). But the larger issue might be the caproom. Let's say you did throw $2.5mil at him bidding against nobody. Well all of a sudden instead of being one of the few teams left with enough cap room to go over the MLE, you are now left not even being able to compete with teams who still have their MLEs. Just would make no sense to sign Ike for that kind of change until deep int he summer after you were done trying to make other moves.

Yeah but how much after signing Casspi? Like $2.50!? I can deal with this idea, but not even talking to him? That is pretty questionable GM work for a team thin in the frontcourt. I for one think Diogu can play C, but with Jason and Spencer we'd be fine anyway. Besides going out and getting a 7 foot scrub is going to help us how? Besides making all the size queens feel better that is.

 

[beb0p]

Sometimes you take what you can get. You re-sign Ike, let him battle it out with Hawes and Thompson to see who sticks. Of course you hope they all do well that way you can then trade any one of those pieces for what you need. There are no defensive bigs out there right now. NONE.

Oh I like Diogu. I think he's very underrated and that he can be one of the best bargains in the NBA.

But I don't think GP likes Diogu's game. If GP does bring him back, I think it's a "last resort" type of scenario. And I don't think GP will keep him around for long.

 

[kingsfan101]

At this point, I won't mind him for a minimum kind of deal, and it is surprising that the team has not even contacted his agent.

We need to sign one player to an open roster spot, are in desperate need of a "big" man, and don't want to spend a lot of money. Ike may or may not be good, but how many better prospects are out there, that fit these criteria?

Even for him, we are one of the best fit. He is not getting a mega-deal from anywhere else. If we do end up picking him, the money shall not be much different than what he shall probably get elsewhere. With us however, he is likely to get much more playing time. If he shows something, he might end up getting a better contract couple of years down.

 

[Bricklayer]

People continue to assume that there is some rule that we have to keep all of our players who put together last year's 17 win masterpiece -- we do not. A trade is at least as likely as a significant FA signing at this point to patch things up.

 

[kingsnation]

...THEY HAVEN'T EVEN CONTACTED DIOGU!?!?!? Bravo Geoff! Another one of your brilliant moves....

Fixed.

 

[rainmaker]

It wouldn't surprise me if the reason that Petrie hasn't offered Ike a contract is because his feels he has better options through a trade. I'd be shocked if he isn't working the phones to try to move Beno and Noc/Cisco.

 

[ParniValjak]

It wouldn't surprise me if the reason that Petrie hasn't offered Ike a contract is because his feels he has better options through a trade. I'd be shocked if he isn't working the phones to try to move Beno and Noc/Cisco.

Moving Beno would have to be one of the hardest jobs in the NBA. That contract is poison for his production and I am not sure if there is a GM out there dumb enough or desperate enough to take him.

Beno is a good back up PG but paying 6 million for a back up PG is just way over the top.

I think Nocioni would have great value around the trade dealine with a contending team and Garcia is a good, versatile 6th man with a reasonable contract.

I think both Nocioni and Garcia are moveable. Beno on the other hand is the new Kenny Thomas. The best we can hope is to trade him for useless player with a shorter contract. Maybe for Marko Jaric but I see no reason why Memphis does that.

 

[SacTownKid]

Oh I like Diogu. I think he's very underrated and that he can be one of the best bargains in the NBA.

But I don't think GP likes Diogu's game. If GP does bring him back, I think it's a "last resort" type of scenario. And I don't think GP will keep him around for long.

I don't know why really. He always talks about needing to get better on the boards and in the post, and if Ike Diogu didn't show he's capable of producing in both areas I don't know else what he can do.

 

[SacTownKid]

Fixed.

Yeah, and said in a sarcastic tone.

 

[SacTownKid]

It wouldn't surprise me if the reason that Petrie hasn't offered Ike a contract is because his feels he has better options through a trade. I'd be shocked if he isn't working the phones to try to move Beno and Noc/Cisco.

Hahaha, good luck to that, and with news that Tyreke is the starter from day one, whatever little value Beno had just went through the floor.

 

[Smills91]

Too bad Miami is working to get Boozer right now in a deal that would send them Haslem.

Did you see the proposed deal? I LAUGH. It saves the Jazz about 2.8 million. ANY TEAM can do that as that;s the difference in the 75% of Boozer's 12.7 million dollars.

The Kings could potentially save the Jazz 9.2 million dollars in ACTUAL cap. Thus resulting in nearly 18 million dollar savings.

Kings absorb 6.2 million in contract - Korver + Fesenko.

Then we deal Thomas + Brockman(signed to rookie deal) for Boozer - that's exactly 75% of Boozer's deal and that gives the Jazz 9.2 million in savings INSTANTLY.

Kings re-load and have a nice roster IMO. We could trade Noc to a team like Boston or use him more as a 4.

Kings new roster:
C: Hawes, Fesenko
PF: Boozer, Thompson, Greene
SF: Nocioni, Korver, Casspi
SG: Martin, Garcia
PG: Evans, Udrih, SRod

Jazz new roster:

C: Okur, Koufos, Suton
PF: Millsap, Brockman, Thomas
SF: Kirilenko, Harpring
SG: Brewer, Miles
PG: Williams, Price, Maynor

Seems to make sense for both teams, more so than the 2.8 million savings the Jazz get for taking on a slightly better 'Haslem rental', when they already have Millsap.

 

[Prince_XY]

Kings re-load and have a nice roster IMO. We could trade Noc to a team like Boston or use him more as a 4.

Kings new roster:
C: Hawes, Fesenko
PF: Boozer, Thompson, Greene
SF: Nocioni, Korver, Casspi
SG: Martin, Garcia
PG: Evans, Udrih, SRod

I like this.

We get a nice young center who is perfect back-up for Hawes.

Then let Boozer go after his contract.

 

[Kingster]

The point is that this isn't Lamar Odom. There's no 6-11 mil range here. We are talking from the minimum to 3 mil per year. That's a very small window. So, why would he not even contact his agent in the hopes that a team offers him 2 so the Kings can offer 2.5? GP already knows he's paying only so much, so there's no point in assessing market value. As I said, with that small window of what he's willing to offer, there's no market value to asses. One or possibly two million is really inconsequential unless that puts the team over the cap, which it won't.



Another issue aside from specific salary is that if Ike is offered a deal from another team, he may not want to wait around to see what the Kings offer if he thinks Sac has no interest. If they haven't even discussed options with him at this point, and judging by his comments, he may feel like Sac isn't interested at all. You are seeing this from only one angle. If Ike gets an offer he's happy with, and he thinks Sac isn't interested, there's absolutely no motivation to wait for the Kings to make a counter offer.

As I said, with that small of a financial window, I don't see why GP hasn't at least explored possible terms of negotiation, just to see what Ike wants and how far they would be willing to go. The only possible reason would be that GP is not interested at all.

Do you really think that in this economy that $1 million or $2 million is inconsequential to the Maloofs? We're in a re- or a de-pression. Las Vegas is black hole of economic non-activity. About 1 out of every 40 homes in Nevada are in foreclosure. Of course they have to assess the market, because every freaking dollar is important for them to save in order to stay solvent. Remember, nobody knows how long this economic downturn is going to last. It's like no other economic downturn we've ever seen. If you don't know that we're going to be coming out of this 1 year, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years down the line, you have to save every penny you can.

 

[bajaden]

Hey I've been around here awhile now and have been accused of being a "company man" more than a few times, just ask Brick. I've been at times a blind supporter of this franchise with hopes that what they were/are doing makes sense. I gave a chance to all the moves I mentioned in my rant, but it's time to call a spade a spade or at least admit that is might be a spade. I still support Geoff and the Maloofs but it's time to either start making some sense, or get the heck out. I mean seriously, a lot of the moves haven't made the last couple of years, heck the majority of the moves haven't made much sense\. I'll consider this a fresh start and it's new for Petrie, I don't think he's ever built a team from the ground up through the draft so we'll see. The last chapter however was a complete failure.

So maybe this is the first time you've called a spade a spade in regards to the kings. But your not the first one on this fourm to jump on the lets crap on Petrie one more time brigade. Nothing personal, but I reached a point where I'm just tired of going over the same thing again and again. There was nothing new in your post. Bricky covered all this a couple of years ago. There were no great intellectial insite's in your post. Just the same old, same old.

I have no problem with criticizing anyone for their job performance. But I reach a point where I get tired of reading the same tired comments. How many times do you have to hit someone in the head with a bat until thier dead. I'am by no means defending anything you said. I hated the Mikki Moore signing. I orginally didn't like the Salmons signing, but later decided he was worth the money, even if not a good fit for this team. But its done!!! Its over!!! I would like to have some peace of mind about moving on without having to go out an dig up old bodies again. Why do it? They still smell.

Its really very simple. This is a new beginning. If Petire fails, then fire his sorry butt. But can we at least wait and see how it turns out before we jump off the cliff.

Ryan Hollins - 7' Center - 24 yrs old - Has showed some promise. Could be a cheap investment.

Robert Swift - 7'1" Center - 23 yrs old - Has shown to be a shot blocker. Coming back from torn meniscus on his knee. Is apparently healthy enough to have blocked 7 shots in one of the summer league games.

Pops Mensah Bonsu - 6' 10" C/PF - 25 yrs old. Probably too high priced.

Joel Anthony - 6'9" PF - 27 yrs old - Played well last year. Rebounded well and defended well.

Steven Hunter - 7' center 27 yrs old - Has always been a good shot blocker in limited minutes. Coming off knee surgery, so could be a risky signing. But could probably be had cheap.

 

[kennadog]

But your not the first one on this fourm to jump on the lets crap on Petrie one more time brigade. Nothing personal, but I reached a point where I'm just tired of going over the same thing again and again.

Yeah! The least the Maloofs could do is hire a new GM for us to crap all over!

However, GP was not a Maloof hire. After they have chosen Musselman and Theus as coaches, I'm a little gun shy over them picking out a new GM. Am I the only one?

 

[Showtime]

Did you see the proposed deal? I LAUGH. It saves the Jazz about 2.8 million. ANY TEAM can do that as that;s the difference in the 75% of Boozer's 12.7 million dollars.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-odomboozer071509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

And it doesn't matter if you think the Kings can get in on it, because they are not, and there are already reports of this deal being worked on. So obviously, whether you want the kings to get boozer or not, even if the Kings can offer a better deal, the Jazz are working on other options.

 

[Showtime]

Do you really think that in this economy that $1 million or $2 million is inconsequential to the Maloofs?

If they are so concerned over one million in salary that they would alienate a possible piece that could help the team, then they should sell the Kings because they are in the wrong business. If that's their attitude, they shouldn't own an NBA team.

 

[kennadog]

I'd say if Ike and his agent would be alienated by this, they are in the wrong business. And how many teams have passed on playing Diogu much or keeping him at all? Three now? He's certainly not guaranteed to help any team for sure. And there's a long way to go to training camp. Maybe the Kings get someone better for their money.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-odomboozer071509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

And it doesn't matter if you think the Kings can get in on it, because they are not, and there are already reports of this deal being worked on. So obviously, whether you want the kings to get boozer or not, even if the Kings can offer a better deal, the Jazz are working on other options.

"The deal isn't considered imminent."

Just because the Jazz are working on one option does not mean they may not find another offer they find more attractive before all is said and done. We certainly have the potential to give them a lot more assistance on the cap space side of things than they get in the proposed Heat deal. They may find that to be better for them than Haslem.

 

[HighTopKicks]

Did you see the proposed deal? I LAUGH. It saves the Jazz about 2.8 million. ANY TEAM can do that as that;s the difference in the 75% of Boozer's 12.7 million dollars.

The Kings could potentially save the Jazz 9.2 million dollars in ACTUAL cap. Thus resulting in nearly 18 million dollar savings.

Kings absorb 6.2 million in contract - Korver + Fesenko.

Then we deal Thomas + Brockman(signed to rookie deal) for Boozer - that's exactly 75% of Boozer's deal and that gives the Jazz 9.2 million in savings INSTANTLY.

Kings re-load and have a nice roster IMO. We could trade Noc to a team like Boston or use him more as a 4.

Kings new roster:
C: Hawes, Fesenko
PF: Boozer, Thompson, Greene
SF: Nocioni, Korver, Casspi
SG: Martin, Garcia
PG: Evans, Udrih, SRod

Jazz new roster:

C: Okur, Koufos, Suton
PF: Millsap, Brockman, Thomas
SF: Kirilenko, Harpring
SG: Brewer, Miles
PG: Williams, Price, Maynor

Seems to make sense for both teams, more so than the 2.8 million savings the Jazz get for taking on a slightly better 'Haslem rental', when they already have Millsap.

The rule is that you can only take back 125% plus $100K of what your giving up. Thomas makes $8.8M and Brockman will probably sign for $500K, and 125% of that is $11.625M. Boozer makes $12.4M, so the the deal doesn't work.

 

[Kingster]

If they are so concerned over one million in salary that they would alienate a possible piece that could help the team, then they should sell the Kings because they are in the wrong business. If that's their attitude, they shouldn't own an NBA team.

Sell? To who? Talk about a fire sale. What lender is going to come up with the financing? What buyer is going to have the cash? This business of owning an NBA team is terrible right now. Here you have incredibly high FIXED costs in players contracts that have been negotiated prior to the crash, but you have sharply declining revenue because of the crash. That sounds like an incredibly bad "investment" to me. (There is going to be MAJOR friction when the next collective bargaining act comes due). I can think of a lot better investments than that put your money in. Any prudent owner is going to assess the FA market very carefully before plunking down a $1 of their money. They'd be stupid not to.

 

[SacTownKid]

People continue to assume that there is some rule that we have to keep all of our players who put together last year's 17 win masterpiece -- we do not. A trade is at least as likely as a significant FA signing at this point to patch things up.

No not necessarily, but doesn't it make sense to look into keeping one of the very few bright spots?

 

[SacTownKid]

So maybe this is the first time you've called a spade a spade in regards to the kings. But your not the first one on this fourm to jump on the lets crap on Petrie one more time brigade. Nothing personal, but I reached a point where I'm just tired of going over the same thing again and again. There was nothing new in your post. Bricky covered all this a couple of years ago. There were no great intellectial insite's in your post. Just the same old, same old.

I have no problem with criticizing anyone for their job performance. But I reach a point where I get tired of reading the same tired comments. How many times do you have to hit someone in the head with a bat until thier dead. I'am by no means defending anything you said. I hated the Mikki Moore signing. I orginally didn't like the Salmons signing, but later decided he was worth the money, even if not a good fit for this team. But its done!!! Its over!!! I would like to have some peace of mind about moving on without having to go out an dig up old bodies again. Why do it? They still smell.

Its really very simple. This is a new beginning. If Petire fails, then fire his sorry butt. But can we at least wait and see how it turns out before we jump off the cliff.

Ryan Hollins - 7' Center - 24 yrs old - Has showed some promise. Could be a cheap investment.

Robert Swift - 7'1" Center - 23 yrs old - Has shown to be a shot blocker. Coming back from torn meniscus on his knee. Is apparently healthy enough to have blocked 7 shots in one of the summer league games.

Pops Mensah Bonsu - 6' 10" C/PF - 25 yrs old. Probably too high priced.

Joel Anthony - 6'9" PF - 27 yrs old - Played well last year. Rebounded well and defended well.

Steven Hunter - 7' center 27 yrs old - Has always been a good shot blocker in limited minutes. Coming off knee surgery, so could be a risky signing. But could probably be had cheap.

Except a couple of years ago we weren't in the position of rebuilding we are now! We're apparently not looking into keeping a particular young talent that flashed and we are a young rebuilding team. To me, there is less of an excuse to do that than ever before.

Tired of the comments? Then don't read them, but to associate a completely different time period with this one as a reasoning is completely baseless. A lot changes in a few years. This situation is different than even the trades that I mentioned, but it might be a sign that you cant teach an old dog new tricks. It might be a different example and a new way of inconsistency in Petries approach.

Pretty sure Steven Hunter retired because of his knees. Joel Anthony had his qualifying offer picked up by Miami, so... and Ryan Hollins will probably be going back to Dallas. Swift is a bust of all busts, with bad knees, I still think there might be some potential there however. Pops? Maybe, but once again, saving 1 million dollars or whatever it would to take a step down talent wise is exactly the problem I'm having. I can understand dumping off Brad Miller and John Salmons in a completely one sided talent swap for money, but cheaping out in this style? C'mon man.