Unconfirmed Jimmer rumor:

[bajaden]

Saw it, so I had to post it. A rumor from another fourm that came susposedly from ESPN insider. So take it for what its worth. But is speculated that within the next few days Jimmer Fredette will be traded to the Bucks. What the Kings would recieve in return is unknown.

My personal guess is that it would be for a 1st round pick in the future, perhaps next season as insurance against losing our own to Cleveland. However, if its for a player, then there are few of interest that might work salary wise, and fit.

My personal favorite would be Tobias Harris, a 6'8" SF, that I just watched play 3 times in summer league. He was in my opinion, one of the best players there. However, I think they see him as their SF of the future, so I wouldn't count on it being him. He scheduled to make $1,418,160.00 this coming season.

By the way, Jimmer is scheduled to make $2,339,040.00 this coming season. So with the percentage allowed, and what capspace we have left, I believe it would easily work salary wise.

The more obvious choices that might be more realisitc, since they just drafted John Henson as their potential PF of the future are:

Larry Sanders: 6'11" PF. Due $1,861,920.00. In 12.24 min per game he averaged, 3.1 rebounds, 1.5 Blocks, and 3.6 PPG. He only shoots 52.4% from the line.

Ekpe Udoh: 6'10" PF. Due $3,294,960.00. In 20.30 min per game he averaged, 4.7 rebounds, 1.7 blocks, and 5.7 PPG. He shot 72% from the line.

I would think that either a 1st round pick, or one of either Sanders or Udoh would be the likely target. They also have Mbah A Moute who can play either forward spot, but I'm not a huge fan of his and he makes more than any of them.

Remember, this is just a rumor, and I haven't been able to confirm it anywhere else.

Opps, scratch that. A friend said he saw a headline on a cite I'm not that familar with called Gather.com that read Fredette to the Bucks rumored. So take that for what it is.
Knowing Petrie, its not coming from our side, so it just might be wishful thinking or the Bucks part. However, they have been trading partners in the recent past. (Beno)

Edit: Here's the site that listed the rumor. Not sure where they got the info.

http://sports.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981501091

 

[Glenn]

12.24 minutes and 1.5 blocks??? Worth finding out more. Udoh blocks quite a few also. One little move a week too late for the "how is Petrie doing so far" poll would have changed the results. I really want Jimmer gone and you know what a change of attitude that is for me. If it gets us a shot blocker which seems likely, that's a decent move. It's not earth shaking as if Henson is figured to be better than the two possibilities in the trade, those guys must have serious holes in their game.

 

[Section 101]

Udoh works ! Maybe we can do Salmons for Beno too !

 

[Fear the Putin]

no way they are trading Udoh

 

[Arkitect]

Udoh would be amazing. Definite rotation guy and just a great fit for what we need. Saunders doesn't look terrible either but I haven't seen him play. Doubt it happens though. We probably just get a 2nd round pick and cash.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

With Brooks on board, trading Jimmer away for value would seem to be a good call in terms of our depth chart, giving us more depth in the frontcourt and eliminating a bit of the backcourt jam. I'm not quite sure why the Bucks would be after Jimmer with Jennings/Ellis/Beno/DLamb in the backcourt, but they're also pretty heavy in the frontcourt (Dalembert/Ilyasova/Gooden/Henson/Udoh/Sanders) so they could probably spare one of Udoh/Sanders.

That would give us a lineup like this:
Brooks/IT/(Tyreke)/(Salmons)
Tyreke/MT23/Garcia/(Salmons)
JJohnson/Salmons/Outlaw/Honeycutt
Thompson/Robinson/Udoh/(Hayes)
Cousins/(Thompson)/(Udoh)/Hayes

That's a bit better balance than we have right now, IMO. I'm not all on the dump-Jimmer bandwagon, but if we can get good value he's obviously not untouchable in my book.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Udoh would be amazing. Definite rotation guy and just a great fit for what we need. Saunders doesn't look terrible either but I haven't seen him play. Doubt it happens though. We probably just get a 2nd round pick and cash.

Why do it, then? We don't need to dump him. Either we should get value, or keep him.

 

[macadocious]

I know I am probably wrong, but I really don't want to trade Jimmer. Part of me thinks he can still be pretty good, I honestly think his subpar play has been because of confidence issues and not that he can't play.

 

[Arkitect]

Why do it, then? We don't need to dump him. Either we should get value, or keep him.

Cash is value to our owners. I am not saying we should do it, I am just pessimistic about the way this team is run.

 

[bajaden]

no way they are trading Udoh

Well, at PF for the Bucks are:

Llysova: Newly signed
Gooden: signed for 3 more years
Sanders: signed for 2 more years
Udoh: signed for 2 more years
Henson: drafted this year
Brockman: signed for at least one more year.

I mean, you do the math. There's no way they can play all these guys. Even Mbah A Moute can play some PF.

 

[bajaden]

Why do it, then? We don't need to dump him. Either we should get value, or keep him.

I'm certainly not on the dump Jimmer bandwagon. However, it looks like he's not going to play much with the addition of Brooks. I'm sure they'll get him some minutes here and there, but if we could aquire Udoh, who I like quite a bit, it give the team better overall balance, and also give us a player that could give us some defensive help in our frontcourt, which is dearly needed.

I saw Sanders play in summer league, and he had some good moments, and he could be one of those late bloomers. On the other hand, right now, Udoh is the better all around player, and certainly a better freethrow shooter. The guy I'd love to have is Tobias Harris, but I'm sure he's untouchable.

 

[steelevt]

I know I am probably wrong, but I really don't want to trade Jimmer. Part of me thinks he can still be pretty good, I honestly think his subpar play has been because of confidence issues and not that he can't play.

i think he can be a pretty good player too, i just don't know if he can do it on this team. i see him more of a scorer than a pg. if he can curl off screens and score like ray allen or rip hamilton, or even just spot up like james jones or mike miller, i think he would be more useful to us as opposed to being the one setting people up (for those who dont read closely i am not comparing him to ray allen just want to use him like allen). i used to think he was the perfect fit with cousins down low passing it out, and with evans handling the ball and guarding the bigger guard on defense, but the kings want to use him as the main ball handler and not getting a summerleague/training camp/full preseason didnt help him. we are at a point where it's early and if we trade him he might blow up and become a good player somewhere else, or if we hold on and he doesnt pan out, he looses all value. ahh the life of a kings fan

 

[Dime Dropper]

I don't think the Bucks would give up Harris, and even if they would, I don't think Petrie would want him - not after signing JJ, with Salmons, Outlaw, Garcia and Honeycutt on the bench (rightly or wrongly).

I'm down with Either Sanders or Udoh, preferably the latter. A first rounder also works for me.

 

[beb0p]

I've always been intrigued by Larry Sanders. Less so with Udoh (but I'm still ok with him). Seems like John Henson and Sanders are the same type of player so it's a matter of time that one of them has to go.

I'll be seriously pissed off if it is Beno or Dunleavy. I don't mind having those guys but not in a trade for Jimmer. And before you say, "Won't happen!" just remember how the Bucks screwed the Kings last summer. I think they have some incriminating photos of the Maloofs....

 

[bajaden]

I've always been intrigued by Larry Sanders. Less so with Udoh (but I'm still ok with him). Seems like John Henson and Sanders are the same type of player so it's a matter of time that one of them has to go.

I'll be seriously pissed off if it is Beno or Dunleavy. I don't mind having those guys but not in a trade for Jimmer. And before you say, "Won't happen!" just remember how the Bucks screwed the Kings last summer. I think they have some incriminating photos of the Maloofs....

I wonder how I could get my hands on them?

 

[Bricklayer]

would be ironic that the Bucks would trade for Jimmer to go along with Beno, when we did precisely the opposite and lost Beno trying to make room for Jimmer.

 

[Bricklayer]

I've always been intrigued by Larry Sanders. Less so with Udoh (but I'm still ok with him). Seems like John Henson and Sanders are the same type of player so it's a matter of time that one of them has to go.

I'll be seriously pissed off if it is Beno or Dunleavy. I don't mind having those guys but not in a trade for Jimmer. And before you say, "Won't happen!" just remember how the Bucks screwed the Kings last summer. I think they have some incriminating photos of the Maloofs....

I think you are considerably overrating Jimmer's value for us at this point. He's set right now to be the FIFTH guard. A pure garbagetime player behind four other guys who all demand minutes and shots. If you can get a Dunleavy to shoot, or a Beno to...well be a 5th guard? That makes little sense. Or a Sanders or a Udoh or anybody that might be able to sneak into the edges of our rotation as a useful roleplayer, you do it. Becuase in a year's time, after averaging 8min of garbagetime in 47 games and averaging 3.2pts and 1.2ast Jimmer will have absolutely no value left at all. When we picked up Brooks that pretty much closed his book with us.

As an aside, I think people were being wise when they listd those 4 names, because all 4 have ending contracts, as does basically Jimmer if we don't pick up his option. I'm convinced we are trying to retain cap flexibility to resign Reke and Cousins if we want/need to, so I don't see us taking on long term salary, so those 4 make sense, as would Harris or Daly, although I doubt we are after either of them (Daly got traded for a drafdt pick, does that make him moveable or unmoveable for 6 months?).

 

[Glenn]

I don't think a trade limits a further trade. I think it is only if we sign another team's FA that we have to hold him for awhile. I suppose it is to avoid what sounds like an equivalent to bait and switch. Note the word "think".

 

[Bricklayer]

I know I am probably wrong, but I really don't want to trade Jimmer. Part of me thinks he can still be pretty good, I honestly think his subpar play has been because of confidence issues and not that he can't play.

Whether that is true or not is almost irrelevant at this point because of this:

Evans career min 34.3
Thornton career min 27.5
Brooks career min 25.0
Thomas career min 25.5
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Total = 111.8min/gm
Total Guard min available per game: 96.0min/gm

= total min available for Jimmer = Zero. Zip. Zilch.

 

[Dime Dropper]

BTW, this is the second rumour about Jimmer, which makes it seem likely that he is on the block. I'd love to get a pick back, but would settle for Udoh/Sanders. Udoh is bigger and more skilled. Sanders has also shown an unpredictable side, which this team doesn't need.

 

[Glenn]

Maybe we should have sold that 7th round pick instead of trading, etc. Seriously, the Bucks have been good trading partners no matter how you think the trades came out and Jimmer has little value here. I wouldn't trade him unless we got somebody useable though. I'd rather have him than a SF that is going to be just one of the herd or a big who will only get garbage minutes. Seems like the Bucks have shot blockers and maybe we settle for a Jimmer-value shotblocker or make it a more complex trade to get someone better. On our side of the trade we certainly can be flexible. There's no rush.

 

[upinsmoke]

Maybe for L. Sanders straight up. I have heard the bucks are intrested in adding J. O'neal so Sanders is the likely one out plus he's a upgrade at what we had there. (whiteside)

 

[beb0p]

I think you are considerably overrating Jimmer's value for us at this point. He's set right now to be the FIFTH guard. A pure garbagetime player behind four other guys who all demand minutes and shots. If you can get a Dunleavy to shoot, or a Beno to...well be a 5th guard? That makes little sense. Or a Sanders or a Udoh or anybody that might be able to sneak into the edges of our rotation as a useful roleplayer, you do it. Becuase in a year's time, after averaging 8min of garbagetime in 47 games and averaging 3.2pts and 1.2ast Jimmer will have absolutely no value left at all. When we picked up Brooks that pretty much closed his book with us.

Not really. I'm not overrating, underrating, or even trying to rate Jimmer. It just makes no sense to trade Jimmer for just a one-year rental rotation guy. But we DO need to trade him, quickly. I like Sanders but just about anybody with a pulse, not too old, and some potential will do.

 

[Gary]

Udoh... No thanks..

I guess if we got him for Jimmer which is basically nothing, then I would take a look at him, but Udoh sucks, and I have no idea what the fascination is with this guy. Warrior fans are already beating themselves up for taking a shot at the athletic shot blocking big man with only a little basketball experience over a proven college player like Monroe. We have already seen what Udoh is made of and even if we got him he wouldn't be a rotation player for us. We have 4 PF/Cs that are better than he is.

It's like Thabeet/Tyrus Thomas all over again. Damn this rumor!

 

[rainmaker]

Udoh... No thanks..

I guess if we got him for Jimmer which is basically nothing, then I would take a look at him, but Udoh sucks, and I have no idea what the fascination is with this guy. Warrior fans are already beating themselves up for taking a shot at the athletic shot blocking big man with only a little basketball experience over a proven college player like Monroe. We have already seen what Udoh is made of and even if we got him he wouldn't be a rotation player for us. We have 4 PF/Cs that are better than he is.

It's like Thabeet/Tyrus Thomas all over again. Damn this rumor!

Well, Udoh over Monroe is plenty reason to be pissed as a GS fan, but Udoh who's done pretty well defensively when on the floor in his young career, with size and athleticism, is better than watching Jimmer rot on the bench as our 5th guard to the point we can't get someone like Udoh a year from now for him, and his addition would be better than what we have upfront right now, without question. A defensive big who can challenge shots for 10-15 mins per night and still has upside would be pretty good for us. Just because GS fans want Monroe over Udoh doesn't have any relation to whether or not Udoh would help our frontcourt off the bench in a deal for Jimmer.

 

[ESP47]

Remember blocks don't mean anything if the player can't play. I don't know much about Sanders since the Bucks are one of the least interesting teams in the league, but I can see fans on other boards looking at Whiteside's blocks per 48min stats and thinking he's the next elite rim protector.

 

[Gary]

Well, Udoh over Monroe is plenty reason to be pissed as a GS fan, but Udoh who's done pretty well defensively when on the floor in his young career, with size and athleticism, is better than watching Jimmer rot on the bench as our 5th guard to the point we can't get someone like Udoh a year from now for him, and his addition would be better than what we have upfront right now, without question. A defensive big who can challenge shots for 10-15 mins per night and still has upside would be pretty good for us. Just because GS fans want Monroe over Udoh doesn't have any relation to whether or not Udoh would help our frontcourt off the bench in a deal for Jimmer.

He's done well in garbage time but only some of the times. Other times he does crappy in garbage time. Let's face it, he's a garbage player suited for garbage time.. He hasn't really had any consistent minutes against first teams, and when he did Udoh was not consistently good enough to keep those minutes. I would say no thanks because he wouldn't even see time on the floor with our team. Not to mention the guy is just raw, and he isn't very good to boot.

 

[rainmaker]

He's done well in garbage time but only some of the times. Other times he does crappy in garbage time. Let's face it, he's a garbage player suited for garbage time.. He hasn't really had any consistent minutes against first teams, and when he did Udoh was not consistently good enough to keep those minutes. I would say no thanks because he wouldn't even see time on the floor with our team. Not to mention the guy is just raw, and he isn't very good to boot.

I saw him start and play meaningful minutes a number of times here in the bay area. He wasn't consistent, but there is talent there, especially defensively which I've personally seen well outside of garbage time. He's no savior,but for Jimmer? How much more could we realistically get? I really don't know where you get the he's a garbage player suited for garbage time.

He's shown more in important minutes than Jimmer ever has, and has the potential to fill a role we sorely need, so I don't see how it'd be a bad deal. Also not sure why you think he wouldn't see any minutes with our team, as we are incredibly short up front, and he's the only one who'd bring shotblocking from a help defense perspective. Per 36 he put up about 10/8/3/2 last year which isn't bad for a potential defensive minded role player, or for someone we'd be giving Jimmer up for. Obviously not perfect by any stretch but he fills a much greater need for us than a 5th guard.

 

['89 Kings Fan]

I'll be seriously pissed off if it is Beno or Dunleavy. I don't mind having those guys but not in a trade for Jimmer. And before you say, "Won't happen!" just remember how the Bucks screwed the Kings last summer. I think they have some incriminating photos of the Maloofs....

I would be ok with Dunleavy if Jimmer took Outlaw with him. Honestly, what was Petrie thinking locking up Outlaw for four years? Worried someone was going to outbid them for such marginal talent?

But I would be fine with a Larry Sanders for Jimmer Trade. Oh and Brockman was traded to the Rockets.

 

[Section 101]

I would be ok with Dunleavy if Jimmer took Outlaw with him. Honestly, what was Petrie thinking locking up Outlaw for four years? Worried someone was going to outbid them for such marginal talent?

But I would be fine with a Larry Sanders for Jimmer Trade. Oh and Brockman was traded to the Rockets.

You don't get a choice on the years. It's whatever is left on the contract. You on'y bid on the amount.