Udrih vs. Singletary

DirtyAcres

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Udrih vs. Singletary
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Who are you more excited about?
Can Sean win the starting job by midseason?
A semi-proven pro vs. a rookie.
Can Beno stay healthy for an entire year?
Will this lead to Singletary taking over the starting job and keeping it due to a all too often seen Udrih injury?

I'm really excited about the Singletary pick, more so than I am about Thompson <although I think he was a solid pick> Singletary could prove to be one of the top steals in this years draft. He's got a ton of upside and has all that we've asked from a pg. (defense, speed, pass first) His only downside is his size and how that will translate to the NBA.

I wasn't too excited to hear that Beno was offered the MLE, but there really wasn't anyone else out there to start for us. Hopefully Sean can battle Beno for the starting role and if not win it, at least provide competition to make Beno better.
 
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DirtyAcres said:
Udrih vs. Singletary
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Who are you more excited about?
Can Sean win the starting job by midseason?
A semi-proven pro vs. a rookie.
Can Beno stay healthy for an entire year?
Will this lead to Singletary taking over the starting job and keeping it due to a all too often seen Udrih injury?

I'm really excited about the Singletary pick, more so than I am about Thompson <although I think he was a solid pick> Singletary could prove to be one of the top steals in this years draft. He's got a ton of upside and has all that we've asked from a pg. (defense, speed, pass first) His only downside is his size and how that will translate to the NBA.

I wasn't too excited to hear that Beno was offered the MLE, but there really wasn't anyone else out there to start for us. Hopefully Sean can battle Beno for the starting role and if not win it, at least provide competition to make Beno better.
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Can we have this discussion after we actually see Sean play some?
 
keflanag

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DirtyAcres said:
Udrih vs. Singletary
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Who are you more excited about?
Can Sean win the starting job by midseason?
A semi-proven pro vs. a rookie.
Can Beno stay healthy for an entire year?
Will this lead to Singletary taking over the starting job and keeping it due to a all too often seen Udrih injury?

I'm really excited about the Singletary pick, more so than I am about Thompson <although I think he was a solid pick> Singletary could prove to be one of the top steals in this years draft. He's got a ton of upside and has all that we've asked from a pg. (defense, speed, pass first) His only downside is his size and how that will translate to the NBA.

I wasn't too excited to hear that Beno was offered the MLE, but there really wasn't anyone else out there to start for us. Hopefully Sean can battle Beno for the starting role and if not win it, at least provide competition to make Beno better.
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No offense to him, but the only guy Sean will be fighting for this year for minutes is Quincy Douby. Beno is the Kings starting PG for at least the next 3 years barring injury. Sean may turn into a positive bench player over the next couple years, but don't expect him starting. I would bet Garcia starts at point over Sean if Beno gets injured.
 
Bricklayer

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There is no compeition at this point -- Singletary still has to even make the team. Maybe he will, but as we've seen with guys like Minard, Mustafa, etc. over the yeaars, its not a given when you are a 2nd round/undrafted type of guy.

Beno was clearly signed to be the starter, barring the acquisition of a major player which would make him a combo guard off the bench. Singletary on the other hand will have to show something in the next few months just to prevent Geoff from going out and signing a stable vet backup to get the minutes behind Beno. Let him make the team first. Earn some backup minutes. Maybe get a call when Beno goes own with an injury. Athen we can talk about there being a vs. here.
 
CruzDude

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Will be good thread to pick up about 3 games into the summer league, as to Singletary's chances to be a backup, not necessarily "the" backup. He is a 2nd round rookie but does have 4-yr college under his belt in tough conference. So maybe or maybe not. Beno is #1 for next few years.
 
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The thing about Singletary is whether he can develop a fixture of his game--maybe as a slasher with speed on his side (although he lacks the height and vertical to help him finish), maybe as a jumpshooter (solid but he's not really billed as a "shooter"), maybe as a more unselfish passer (he's a point guard by height but not by game--particulalrly judging by his poor assist per turnover ratios) in college. He's the type of guy, if he were 6'3" and had the same sort of skills he possessed, would probably have been a 2nd round draft pick lock. But his lack of height and physical tools combined with his lack of a go-to asset really make things tough on him; even before we drafted him, I thought he was a good college player-bad NBA player sort of guy. I remember when he was trigger happy on the draft ever since his sophomore year, but the fact that he just added more meat to his strengths and never really improved on his weaknesses (quite frankly, except with slightly better shooting, he's still the same guy as he was two years ago) makes me a bit skeptical on him. I'm not so sure that speed can overcome all odds, and he's not a good enough passer and too streaky a shooter especially considering his lack of tools.
 
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MassachusettsKingsFan said:
thats not really fair .. thats your opinion so its cool but beno is young.. he wont even be 30 in 3 years if i remember correctly and if he can stay healthy theres no reason why he cant be a top 15 starting point guard in this league in three years.. maybe even top 10.
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His game isn't wired that way. He's probably what he is right now--a solid 14-3-4 sort of guy at his peak. He's very crafty and skilled and that has gotten him to where he is right now, but he lacks the extra burst of speeds and athleticism to get him the few extra points per game.
 
Gary

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Sean was pretty dang good at college.. Made stupid mistakes (biggest downfall) but it's correctable. Good scorer... I have no doubt after watching Sessions in Milwaukee at the end of the year that a 2nd round player could make it. It's funny because I did go to UNR in the 90s for a bit so I like to follow the team, and I NEVER suspected that Sessions would turn into anything good. I was watching Fazekas, Kemp, and to a lesser extent McGee.. So it goes to show you that if someone has the talent (which Singletary does) and gets into the right situation that anything can happen.
 
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Gary said:
Sean was pretty dang good at college.. Made stupid mistakes (biggest downfall) but it's correctable. Good scorer... I have no doubt after watching Sessions in Milwaukee at the end of the year that a 2nd round player could make it. It's funny because I did go to UNR in the 90s for a bit so I like to follow the team, and I NEVER suspected that Sessions would turn into anything good. I was watching Fazekas, Kemp, and to a lesser extent McGee.. So it goes to show you that if someone has the talent (which Singletary does) and gets into the right situation that anything can happen.
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I agree with the premise that 2nd round picks can definitely amount to something, but Sessions fell far in that draft and arguably had early 2nd round type talent--he was 6'3", was a pure point guard and really showed his passing skills (at least in his freshman year; I think his lack of assist in his junior year really, really hurt his stock). At least he showed real precocious passing talent at a young age, so although I was surprised he was a late contributor to the Bucks, I wasn't overly surprised that he was able to muster a 22-assist game. Sometimes it just takes the talent surrounding you to unleash the true passing ability.

Singletary on the other hand is a scorer through and through--no one will ever confuse him as a pass-first type point guard. He's not a shooting guard in a point guard's body because he actually does have some latent PG skills, but it's not to the point where it's a good or elite level in the NBA; probably just an average passer by PG standards. Unlike Sessions, who had the height/passing combination to really thrive in the NBA, Singletary's scoring abilities are commonplace--can be found in almost any undersized SG trying to make the league. He's less of a sure thing to break out because of that. That's why I keep emphasizing, he needs to show something different from what he did in college. Obviously I can't make any judgments until summer league, but hopefully he can develop a go-to asset that will help him long term.
 
VF21

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DirtyAcres said:
You can certainly do that and respond at a later time. But this was a question for those who have seen him play.
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Unless I'm mistaken, no one has seen Sean Singletary play as an NBA player. And, as we all should know from prior experience, judging someone solely by what they do in college is fraught with the potential for total irrelevance.
 
Vlade4GM

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A lot of Singletary's problems could be attributed to his lack of a supporting cast. Personally, I think he can be a capable starting PG, but I'm no expert.

Even if he were to outplay Udrih, I still don't think he gets more minutes than him, they just signed Udrih to a 30 million dollar contract, they didn't do that expecting him to be a backup at any point IMO.
 
JerN820

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VF21 said:
Unless I'm mistaken, no one has seen Sean Singletary play as an NBA player. And, as we all should know from prior experience, judging someone solely by what they do in college is fraught with the potential for total irrelevance.
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No kidding. Just look at all of the Duke players (sorry Shelden) that come into the league and dont amount to much, yet they are supposed to be one of the top 5 premiere programs in college basketball.
 
Entity

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Vlade4GM said:
A lot of Singletary's problems could be attributed to his lack of a supporting cast. Personally, I think he can be a capable starting PG, but I'm no expert.

Even if he were to outplay Udrih, I still don't think he gets more minutes than him, they just signed Udrih to a 30 million dollar contract, they didn't do that expecting him to be a backup at any point IMO.
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John Salmons got the exact same contract to be a backup sg/sf.
 
DirtyAcres

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VF21 said:
Unless I'm mistaken, no one has seen Sean Singletary play as an NBA player. And, as we all should know from prior experience, judging someone solely by what they do in college is fraught with the potential for total irrelevance.
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True. I'm not sure why we even had dozens of threads hoping to land Beasely or Rose, because what they did in college was fraught with the potential for total irrelevance.:rolleyes: That was a stretch but you know what I mean.

Singletary laid down some impressive stats in a tough division in college as a PG, but you are right, we should over look them because college ball is irrelevant. Excuse me for stepping away from the "which color uniform are we going to wear next season" and trying to create a thread of interest.
 
VF21

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DirtyAcres said:
True. I'm not sure why we even had dozens of threads hoping to land Beasely or Rose, because what they did in college was fraught with the potential for total irrelevance.:rolleyes: That was a stretch but you know what I mean.

Singletary laid down some impressive stats in a tough division in college as a PG, but you are right, we should over look them because college ball is irrelevant. Excuse me for stepping away from the "which color uniform are we going to wear next season" and trying to create a thread of interest.
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Whatever.

You're asking people to predict whether or not they think SOMEONE WHO ISN'T EVEN SIGNED YET is going to beat out Beno for the starting PG position. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by pointing out it might just be a tad premature.

:rolleyes:
 
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DirtyAcres

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VF21 said:
Whatever.

You're asking people to predict whether or not they think SOMEONE WHO ISN'T EVEN SIGNED YET is going to beat out Beno for the starting PG position. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by pointing out it might just be a tad premature.

:rolleyes:

But you're right. You created a thread of interest, obviously, and I pooh-poohed it. Mea culpa. I shall force myself to stand in the corner for a suitable period of time.
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Actually, it appears as if I asked who people are more excited about (Udrih/Singletary), if it was possible for Singletary to win the starting role by midseason, if Beno could stay healthy, and if not, could Singletary take over the starting role. That is hardly as cut and dry as you want to make it.

And I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by pointing out this thread might just be a bit more interesting than what our uniforms will look like next year, being that it involves factors that actually equate to +/- wins.
 
Jerryaki

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This thread is interesting because it reminds me of the "how many minutes will minard get?" thread that was floating around the time I joined this board.
 
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bajaden

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DirtyAcres said:
Actually, it appears as if I asked who people are more excited about (Udrih/Singletary), if it was possible for Singletary to win the starting role by midseason, if Beno could stay healthy, and if not, could Singletary take over the starting role. That is hardly as cut and dry as you want to make it.

And I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by pointing out this thread might just be a bit more interesting than what our uniforms will look like next year, being that it involves factors that actually equate to +/- wins.
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I think the thread would have been more interesting, and had more relevance if it was about whether Singletery could actually make the team as a backup pt guard. That would have been a more realistic approach. But to go so far as to imply that he could beat Beno out of the starting job, and to be so emphatic about it, as to wish that Beno fails, is absolutely beyond me.

The Kings just signed Beno to a 5 yr contract for a significant amount of money. Were stuck with this guy for quite a while, and the last thing I want to see next to his name is the word failure.

Now, having said all that, I like Singletery, and I agree that of the two second round picks, he has the best chance to make the club. And if he's good enough, then we'll see how he does.
 
Gary

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I think he should make the team. I get the chance to go to Las Vegas and watch the games. McCalebb and Singletary are the ones I am watching the most (after of course Thompson and Hawes). I think Singletary will surprise a lot of people in Las Vegas, and should earn himself an invite to the pre-season.

THEN we will see him in a real NBA game (maybe) lol.. But he's not taking Beno's spot anytime soon if that's what this thread is about.
 
DirtyAcres

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bajaden said:
But to go so far as to imply that he could beat Beno out of the starting job, and to be so emphatic about it, as to wish that Beno fails, is absolutely beyond me.
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Show me where I said anything about wishing beno would fail? I only remember saying the competition amongst the two should make him better.
 
bloom

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I’m actually excited about both players. I’d like to see if Beno can continue with his game (improving upon it and leading the team). I hope we don’t see a contract year hangover from him for the next four years…But besides Beno, I’d love to see what Singletary has to offer. I’d like to see him make the team and be an energy back-up with Cisco. If he makes the team, I’d really like Reggie to use him more than I think he’ll play.

But I guess we’ll see how Singletary will play when the games begin. I wish him well and I hope he makes it. I also hope that Beno can remain healthy and contribute like he did last year and keep building his game.
 
bajaden

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DirtyAcres said:
Show me where I said anything about wishing beno would fail? I only remember saying the competition amongst the two should make him better.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CruzDude

Beno is #1 for next few years.

"I've got my fingers crossed hoping he is not."

To me, thats hoping for failure.
 
bajaden

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Gary said:
I think he should make the team. I get the chance to go to Las Vegas and watch the games. McCalebb and Singletary are the ones I am watching the most (after of course Thompson and Hawes). I think Singletary will surprise a lot of people in Las Vegas, and should earn himself an invite to the pre-season.

THEN we will see him in a real NBA game (maybe) lol.. But he's not taking Beno's spot anytime soon if that's what this thread is about.
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Been watching some video of McCalebb and also of Zabian Dowdell. Both of them look like they can play a little bit. Its always amazing to see how talented some of the players that can't make it in the NBA are. Shows how tough the league is.
 
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