Tyreke's Mouth, Teeth, Concussion Injury Updates Thread

[Fear the Putin]

Tyreke has zero shot. Curry has a beautiful one. While Tyreke has to bully his way inside, Curry can sit and spot up.

Have you seen Curry play? He is very legit. He's got a quick shot, can score in bunches, reads plays well, and is a very mature facilitator. Tyreke can get his points, but I don't understand the need to discount Curry like this.

It's akin to saying, "if Curry had Tyreke's body, he'd be scoring 40"

Actually, if you mesh Curry and Tyreke together and put Cureke at the point, you have the closest to a Lebron point guard, but with a purer stroke.

Curry's game will not expand. He has the beautiful stroke and that's it. No room for improvement. His frame isn't built for getting stronger.

You put Curry on a team that has an offense unlike Nelson's "just make jumpshots, I don't care where you shoot em" offense, you will have a completely different output from Curry.

You put JJ Reddick on the Warriors and he'll be putting up similar numbers to Curry.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

Grant on his show is saying that Tyreke is listed as "questionable" for tomorrow's game and that he was winded during practice today since he's had basically no physical activity for the past week. Baring any set backs between now and gametime tomorrow, he'll play.

Coach W will be on later for his weekly show, so maybe we'll get more info from him on all fronts. Here's PW after practice, if it weren't my beloved team it would almost be comical how he has to go down a long list to update the team's injury report!

[yt=Coach W after practice]y7lsKTmjvsM[/yt]

 

[rhythmless]

Curry's game will not expand. He has the beautiful stroke and that's it. No room for improvement. His frame isn't built for getting stronger.

You put Curry on a team that has an offense unlike Nelson's "just make jumpshots, I don't care where you shoot em" offense, you will have a completely different output from Curry.

You put JJ Reddick on the Warriors and he'll be putting up similar numbers to Curry.

He will continue to refine his game in terms of playmaking, when to shoot, when to drive, etc. He is actually a very good driver. Your criciticms of Curry's game come off very general and biased, much like the cricitism that talking heads levy upon Tyreke.

Tyreke has a higher ceiling, no question. I'm just saying that Curry is a very polished player already, while Tyreke's offense is layups and nothign else. The fact that no one can stop him doing that is a testament to his potential, I'm just saying that to throw around random criticism about Curry is just as bad as Tyreke bashers; mostly it just shows how ill informed the critic is.

As far as Tyreke's body, there is no contest. That is one of Tyreke's biggest advantages in the game.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Curry is 23. Evans is 20. 'Nuff said.

 

[mac]

Curry is an extremely talented player. I don't think we should take shots at him because he really is quite good. Tyreke is just better.

 

[kennadog]

Tyreke has zero shot. Curry has a beautiful one. While Tyreke has to bully his way inside, Curry can sit and spot up.

You're making a pretty big leap if you're assuming Tyreke won't develop a more than sufficient jumper. Two guys that came into the league very young pretty much without jumpshots? Kobe and LeBron. Kidd had no jumpshot either when he came into the league. I think Curry's going to be very, very good. I expect Tyreke will have the better career.

 

[Superman]

Difference between Tyreke and Kobe is that Reke doesn't even have a good foundation for adding a jumper. His form is completely off, and needs to be reconstructed on the fly in order for his shot to ever be consistent. Kobe at least had a good fundamental foundation.

Of course, LeBron had awful form at the beginning, too. It's not all that great now, which is why his jumper isn't as consistent as Kobe's or Carmelo's.

 

[rhythmless]

You're making a pretty big leap if you're assuming Tyreke won't develop a more than sufficient jumper. Two guys that came into the league very young pretty much without jumpshots? Kobe and LeBron. Kidd had no jumpshot either when he came into the league. I think Curry's going to be very, very good. I expect Tyreke will have the better career.

Please show me where I assumed that Tyreke won't develop a jumper.

Also, please reread EVERYTHING I've said in these past few posts, because I think as soon as I didn't anoint Tyreke the absolute pinnacle of sports and give him my 3 daughters, all you posters seem to think I said Curry > Tyreke. A few of my quotes...

Tyreke has a higher ceiling, no question.

I'm just saying that to throw around random criticism about Curry is just as bad as Tyreke bashers; mostly it just shows how ill informed the critic is.

I don't understand the need to discount Curry like this.

Are we clear?

 

[rhythmless]

Curry is 23. Evans is 20. 'Nuff said.

Yes, you are so amazingly perceptive in your far reaching wisdom and analysis. My brother had a kid. Let's name him Awesomo. Awesomo is 1 years old.

Evans is 20. Awesomo is 1 years old. 'Nuff said.

I swear you just troll. My corollary of your statement just proves how far away from 'Nuff that you need to say.

 

[Tetsujin]

Yes, you are so amazingly perceptive in your far reaching wisdom and analysis. My brother had a kid. Let's name him Awesomo. Awesomo is 1 years old.

Evans is 20. Awesomo is 1 years old. 'Nuff said.

I swear you just troll. My corollary of your statement just proves how far away from 'Nuff that you need to say.

No need to call anyone a troll.

Your "corollary" is completely different from the circumstances given. Kingsguy881 was simply pointing out that Evans is younger than Steph Curry and therefore less polished. Curry also had the benefit of having one of the best shooters I've ever seen as a father. I think a fairer comparison will be to compare Reke's numbers when he's 23 to Curry's numbers this year.

 

[rhythmless]

No need to call anyone a troll.

Your "corollary" is completely different from the circumstances given. Kingsguy881 was simply pointing out that Evans is younger than Steph Curry and therefore less polished. Curry also had the benefit of having one of the best shooters I've ever seen as a father. I think a fairer comparison will be to compare Reke's numbers when he's 23 to Curry's numbers this year.

The guy follows up specific posters w/ambiguous lines meant to provoke specific reactions. He admits it. You can call it what you want.

I understand the point, but age is a weak weak argument. You have guys who never get better after coming into the league and you have guys who go into superstardom at later ages.

I agree that Tyreke will have a better career. The guy is an absolute force. A gamechanger that comes around once every 5 years. But Curry is a magnificent shooter, and an underrated player. I don't understand why people here need to tear him down in order to build Tyreke up.

One of my biggest "what ifs" is if we got the Wiz pick, and nabbed Curry. Our backcourt would be amazing.

Edit: Again, you guys are bringing up random facts to support your claims without basis. Michael Jordan's kids are average at best in terms of basketball, yet he is arguably the best player. Why aren't they superstars?

 

[mac]

The guy follows up specific posters w/ambiguous lines meant to provoke specific reactions. He admits it. You can call it what you want.

I understand the point, but age is a weak weak argument. You have guys who never get better after coming into the league and you have guys who go into superstardom at later ages.

I agree that Tyreke will have a better career. The guy is an absolute force. A gamechanger that comes around once every 5 years. But Curry is a magnificent shooter, and an underrated player. I don't understand why people here need to tear him down in order to build Tyreke up.

One of my biggest "what ifs" is if we got the Wiz pick, and nabbed Curry. Our backcourt would be amazing.

Edit: Again, you guys are bringing up random facts to support your claims without basis. Michael Jordan's kids are average at best in terms of basketball, yet he is arguably the best player. Why aren't they superstars?

Well in the case of shooting I think it's quite teachable to one's kids. Look at the Barry's for example. I don't think you can teach overall play, and ultimately talent is also a deciding factor. However, given that Curry like Evans has basketball talent I think having a father who was an excellent shooter is an added advantage. Do you think that Tyreke would have such poor shooting form if he was raised by a basketball player known for shooting? I'm not saying that it's a fact, but I feel that when it comes to shooting it is quite feasible to imagine that Steph Curry has an advantage being Dell Curry's son.

 

[kennadog]

Please show me where I assumed that Tyreke won't develop a jumper.

Also, please reread EVERYTHING I've said in these past few posts, because I think as soon as I didn't anoint Tyreke the absolute pinnacle of sports and give him my 3 daughters, all you posters seem to think I said Curry > Tyreke. A few of my quotes...

Tyreke has a higher ceiling, no question.

I'm just saying that to throw around random criticism about Curry is just as bad as Tyreke bashers; mostly it just shows how ill informed the critic is.

I don't understand the need to discount Curry like this.

Are we clear?

These were the two statements I saw:

Tyreke has zero shot. Curry has a beautiful one. While Tyreke has to bully his way inside, Curry can sit and spot up.

I'm just saying that Curry is a very polished player already, while Tyreke's offense is layups and nothign else.

And when other posters said Tyreke likely will develop a jumper, you did not acknowledge or repsond to those statements. Maybe you weren't assuming Evans won't develop a jumper, but I don't see anything acknowledging the liklihood he will.

If you read my post, I essentially wes agreeing with most of what you said. I'm not a Curry basher and, as I said, I think he will have a very good NBA career. I just think Evans will have the better NBA career. Evans can develop a serviceable jump shot. Curry will never be taller or match Evans strength. That's not bashing Curry. I like Curry and his jumper is a thing of beauty.

And I don't think Curry is more polished, because he has a jumper. Evans is more polished going to the basket, IMHO. That isn't saying Curry can't drive at all. They are each polished in different skills. Curry's a decent defender, but he's not as good as Evans.

And please, do not assume I'm a Curry hater.

 

[rhythmless]

Well in the case of shooting I think it's quite teachable to one's kids. Look at the Barry's for example. I don't think you can teach overall play, and ultimately talent is also a deciding factor. However, given that Curry like Evans has basketball talent I think having a father who was an excellent shooter is an added advantage. Do you think that Tyreke would have such poor shooting form if he was raised by a basketball player known for shooting? I'm not saying that it's a fact, but I feel that when it comes to shooting it is quite feasible to imagine that Steph Curry has an advantage being Dell Curry's son.

I see what you're trying to do now; differentiate traits of basketball as "passable" or not. But in order to substantiate your claim, you again used circumstantial evidence but we haven't established that good shooting necessitates having a shooter father vs a shooting coach/shooting friend.

What if Dell Curry wasn't around very often, and in fact it was due to nightly shooting matches with Stephen's brother/friend that in fact caused him to develop such a great stroke? What if he played with a brother/friend that was a lot taller, causing Curry to develop a quicker stroke? At the end of the day, Curry still has a good shot and Tyreke has a shot that could be bested by a lot of playground guys with no Dell Curry dad.

But I digress...

If Tyreke comes back and does not play to his previous form, it will definitely hurt him. Out of sight, out of mind, and if the last impression of Tyreke is 10-15 pts, rusty timing, etc, while Curry throws in another big game, it will narrow the margin, whether you guys think it fair or not.

IMO, Tyreke is an easy call because of his steady play. I would say one knock is that aesthetically, Curry's game is better than Tyreke's, and for guys who don't get to watch full games, Curry vs Tyreke is like watching Durant vs. Lebron: Durant is buttery smooth, while Lebron is mostly power.

 

[rhythmless]

These were the two statemnets I saw:
And when other posters said Tyreke likely will develop a jumper, you did not acknowledge or repsond to those statements. Maybe you weren't assuming Evans won't develop a jumper, but I don't see anything acknowledging the liklihood he will.

If you read my post, I essentially wes agreeing with most of what you said. I'm not a Curry basher and, as I said, I think he will have a very good NBA career. I just think Evans will have the better NBA career. Evans can develop a serviceable jump shot. Curry will never be taller or match Evans strength. That's not bashing Curry. I like Curry and his jumper is a thing of beauty.

And I don't think Curry is more polished, because he has a jumper. Evans is more polished going to the basket, IMHO. That isn't saying Curry can't drive at all. They are each polished in different skills. Curry's a decent defender, but he's not as good as Evans.

I agree with you on their careers as well. I wasn't directing the Curry bashing at you.

Evans seems like he has the drive to WANT to be a good shooter, and that's all it really takes. I think shooting is one of the easiest traits to learn in basketball. It takes constant repetition. There is no reason why Tyreke cannot have a stroke like Curry's, it's just how much he wants to put in to alter his muscle memory. His outside shooting will improve (in part b/c it can't get much worse )

When I reference polish, I also mean how near they are to refining their game. Curry is a surprisingly accomplished slasher/finisher. He has a couple angle drives (ala Tyreke) where you don't even comprehend how there is an angle and ball spin for that type of shot. At this point, Curry has less to improve upon than Tyreke, which is what I mean by polished. In terms of their offensive games, Tyreke is only polished in his body control after point of contact and his ability to finish layups around traffic. Basically, that's it. And you may think that a knock, but it's really a compliment. He is doing remarkable things with the defender knowing he is going to shake, drive right, and lay the ball up. He won't dunk it. He won't spin. He won't (nor should he) stop and pop the 15. He is going to the hole, and he is going to lay it up. Now stop him (you can't).

This is in part why Tyreke struggles against shotblockers. He is unable to throw in a floater, or go over the top of a shotblocker. The shotblocker need only follow Tyreke's point of release. Tyreke is good at extending his body before point of release, but if the shotblocker is stil able to be there, Reke has a chance of being blocked.

In terms of basketball variety and skills, Curry is far and away more polished than Reke, but a polished Reke will completely dominate the game.

 

[Superman]

I swear you just troll.

No need to call anyone a troll.

Yes, let's keep the personal attacks out of it. Thanks.

 

[est.1999]

I think lebron is buttery smooth as well.

 

[Chupacabra]

The guy follows up specific posters w/ambiguous lines meant to provoke specific reactions. He admits it. You can call it what you want.

I understand the point, but age is a weak weak argument. You have guys who never get better after coming into the league and you have guys who go into superstardom at later ages.

I agree that Tyreke will have a better career. The guy is an absolute force. A gamechanger that comes around once every 5 years. But Curry is a magnificent shooter, and an underrated player. I don't understand why people here need to tear him down in order to build Tyreke up.

One of my biggest "what ifs" is if we got the Wiz pick, and nabbed Curry. Our backcourt would be amazing.

Edit: Again, you guys are bringing up random facts to support your claims without basis. Michael Jordan's kids are average at best in terms of basketball, yet he is arguably the best player. Why aren't they superstars?

I really hope youre implying "what if we selected Evans AND Curry" and not "what if we picked Curry instead of Evans". At this point, fantasizing about having a different rookie after the year Evans has had is QUITE silly.

 

[Kingsguy881]

I'm not a troll dude, I'm an ogre.

And my point is that you call Curry more polished than Evans and I'm telling you 'DUH, he's 3 years older with four full years of college experience'.

 

[Kingsguy881]

You know, rhythmless, why don't you go and take a look at Durant's #'s his rookie season. Take special note of his 40% fg shooting and 28% 3pt shooting. Take note of his assist/to ratio. How many boards he grabbed. His AGE at the time. Now that Durant is 23........I bet you can see now how most of us envision Tyreke's development.

That is the only point I'm making. I like Curry, loved his dad. Not knocking him. But seriously, you're going to call him more polished than Tyreke? Well, duh, Durant is more polished at 23 than he was at 20, ya dig? Get your head in the game. You have argued yourself into a dog chasing it's tail and while it is amusing, it is getting kinda pathetic and mundane. Take care buddy.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Difference between Tyreke and Kobe is that Reke doesn't even have a good foundation for adding a jumper. His form is completely off, and needs to be reconstructed on the fly in order for his shot to ever be consistent. Kobe at least had a good fundamental foundation.

Of course, LeBron had awful form at the beginning, too. It's not all that great now, which is why his jumper isn't as consistent as Kobe's or Carmelo's.

Something you will notice though is how all three of those guys become Reggie Miller in crunch time. Look at Dwayne Wade... not an excellent 3 pt shooter, but in the last minute of the game you better believe he is going to sink it. I think that is more important than overall shooting ability and I think Reke has that quality. While inconsistent right now, like you said, Tyreke has a really unique shot which will work to his advantage in the long run. People will have a hard time blocking it since it goes behind his head.

 

[Tetsujin]

Something you will notice though is how all three of those guys become Reggie Miller in crunch time. Look at Dwayne Wade... not an excellent 3 pt shooter, but in the last minute of the game you better believe he is going to sink it. I think that is more important than overall shooting ability and I think Reke has that quality. While inconsistent right now, like you said, Tyreke has a really unique shot which will work to his advantage in the long run. People will have a hard time blocking it since it goes behind his head.

As I read this post, my mind kept flashing back to the game versus Houston where Reke fell over, got back up and banked in a three as the shot clock expired in crunchtime. I see what you mean.

 

[rhythmless]

I really hope youre implying "what if we selected Evans AND Curry" and not "what if we picked Curry instead of Evans". At this point, fantasizing about having a different rookie after the year Evans has had is QUITE silly.

I am of course referencing the Wizard pick, being that the Wizards traded that pick, the pick was AFTER our pick, and Curry was still on the board then.

I'm not fantasizing about having a different rookie, but BOTH rookies. I'm a greedy guy, and I think Tyreke and Curry would be an amazing backcourt.

 

[rhythmless]

You know, rhythmless, why don't you go and take a look at Durant's #'s his rookie season. Take special note of his 40% fg shooting and 28% 3pt shooting. Take note of his assist/to ratio. How many boards he grabbed. His AGE at the time. Now that Durant is 23........I bet you can see now how most of us envision Tyreke's development.

That is the only point I'm making. I like Curry, loved his dad. Not knocking him. But seriously, you're going to call him more polished than Tyreke? Well, duh, Durant is more polished at 23 than he was at 20, ya dig? Get your head in the game. You have argued yourself into a dog chasing it's tail and while it is amusing, it is getting kinda pathetic and mundane. Take care buddy.

I know your point, but my point is I dont compare proposed trajectories, especially when there is no reason to use one to compare the other. I compare what is now, and what I see. I see Curry's game as more developed, but I see Tyreke as producing better with a rawer game and less weapons.

I don't understand how you can sit there, use Durant's trajectory, replace Tyreke in his stead, and give that back to me as evidence. You can use Durant, I can use Saer Sene. I can use Spencer Hawes. I can use anyone who has failed to follow a similar trajectory of progress because you arbitrarily use Durant.

Your amusement is amusing. Kind of like the smelly kid in class who doesn't know it. Take at least one stats class, then come back with some newfound knowledge. Otherwise, I bid you adieu. In the meantime, I will refrain from replying to you, as I don't wish to be banned. When I leave here, I want it to be on my own terms. Good luck friend.

 

[Kingsguy881]

I know your point, but my point is I dont compare proposed trajectories, especially when there is no reason to use one to compare the other. I compare what is now, and what I see. I see Curry's game as more developed, but I see Tyreke as producing better with a rawer game and less weapons.

I don't understand how you can sit there, use Durant's trajectory, replace Tyreke in his stead, and give that back to me as evidence. You can use Durant, I can use Saer Sene. I can use Spencer Hawes. I can use anyone who has failed to follow a similar trajectory of progress because you arbitrarily use Durant.

Your amusement is amusing. Kind of like the smelly kid in class who doesn't know it. Take at least one stats class, then come back with some newfound knowledge. Otherwise, I bid you adieu. In the meantime, I will refrain from replying to you, as I don't wish to be banned. When I leave here, I want it to be on my own terms. Good luck friend.

Comparisons have been used since there was something to compare them to. I only use Durant because while his #'s were similar, they were not as good but still showed promise. The only reason why I use comparisons is because Tyreke's future isn't here yet. I'm sure you can understand, comparisons are thrown around about everyone, and I just arbitrarily chose Durant because he is still young and the stat comparison matched up fairly well.
People use comparisons all the time, you can't knock me for finding someone similar to Tyreke #'s and potential wise.
I don't want you to get banned homie. I have no maliciousness toward you so if you don't think we can be civil I'm cool with that. Just keep in mind I'm not gonna get nasty with you, just be a smart*** because thats how I roll. Be cool

 

[Superman]

That's enough. You wanna talk about basketball, or trade potshots and puff your chests out? If it's the first, by all means. If it's the last, find someplace else to do it.

 

[Kings Faithful]

As I read this post, my mind kept flashing back to the game versus Houston where Reke fell over, got back up and banked in a three as the shot clock expired in crunchtime. I see what you mean.

Exactly... when it comes to the superstar phenoms, shooting ability and shot selection doesn't seem to matter, at least in crunch time. Its why you see Lebron jack up that 30 ft 3 on us the other night to pretty much end the game. I mean, WTF... Its like, how does that go in? Yet, I would have been surprised if it didn't. Hopefully thats the reaction other fans around the league feel when Tyreke is nailing Half Court shots for the win.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Take at least one stats class, then come back with some newfound knowledge.

Why are you telling him to take a stats class? You didn't make a statistics-based argument. You didn't even make a numbers-based argument.

But here's one for you: I went back and found every player since 2003 who has played each of their age 20 - 23 seasons. There are 36 of these players. I then calculated their shooting percentages for their age 20 - 23 seasons separately:

Age 20 - 44.8%
Age 21 - 46.6%
Age 22 - 47.3%
Age 23 - 47.6%

There's an obvious trend for increase of shooting percentage from age 20 to age 23, nearly 3 points on average. So it's not particularly unreasonable to suggest that a player will improve his shooting percentage over that time frame - in fact it is to be expected.

 

[Sparky6string]

Well done Capt.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Go Kings!!!