His handles are sick though, and have you seen his layups? But seriously i agree with you, i would match, but i wouldn't be ultra enthused like we signed the next elite player. The only way Tyreke becomes an all star as a primary ball handler, is if he develops a good off the dribble jumper (Like Westbrook, Rose, Parker, Lawson all did). Otherwise he is as predictable as the Sun.
Tyreke Offer Sheet. Match or not?
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The real question should be, is Tyreke worth $11M a year NOW? He still is a very much one-dimensional offensive player and no one respects his jump shot, which is kiss of death for a SG and lets teams merely block the middle to cut down his driving. His court vision is very narrow, not a good trait for a PG. His defense, fast breaks and drives to the bucket are stuff of legends. I love the kid don't get me wrong. But my question is "does he fit the near term and longer term plans?" You hate to lose him and his talent but..........
Tough decision for new front office for sure. And I see that Malone wants him to stay. If Malone can install a motion offense (lots of passing and movement without the ball) and get everyone to buy into and implement a hard nose defense, then Tyreke is a key. Will Cuz play defense? Will Kings have a real PG for distribution first? Then Tyreke becomes bigger key.
Tough decision for new front office for sure. And I see that Malone wants him to stay. If Malone can install a motion offense (lots of passing and movement without the ball) and get everyone to buy into and implement a hard nose defense, then Tyreke is a key. Will Cuz play defense? Will Kings have a real PG for distribution first? Then Tyreke becomes bigger key.
The real question should be, is Tyreke worth $11M a year NOW? He still is a very much one-dimensional offensive player and no one respects his jump shot, which is kiss of death for a SG and lets teams merely block the middle to cut down his driving. His court vision is very narrow, not a good trait for a PG. His defense, fast breaks and drives to the bucket are stuff of legends. I love the kid don't get me wrong. But my question is "does he fit the near term and longer term plans?" You hate to lose him and his talent but.......... Tough decision for new front office for sure. And I see that Malone wants him to stay. If Malone can install a motion offense (lots of passing and movement without the ball) and get everyone to buy into and implement a hard nose defense, then Tyreke is a key. Will Cuz play defense? Will Kings have a real PG for distribution first? Then Tyreke becomes bigger key.
Tough decision for new front office for sure. And I see that Malone wants him to stay. If Malone can install a motion offense (lots of passing and movement without the ball) and get everyone to buy into and implement a hard nose defense, then Tyreke is a key. Will Cuz play defense? Will Kings have a real PG for distribution first? Then Tyreke becomes bigger key.
Where do people get this stuff from. You all just keep on repeating it and repeating it, and it has almost no connection to the reality of the situation, which is that even with the shaky jumpshot, Tyreke is so talented he STILL beats guys to the hoop basically more often than any other player in the NBA. The only guys higher than him on the list have much higher usage rates and are taking half again as many shots overall. And despite the shaky jumper and people supposedly laying off, he drives so efficiently, and has cut out so much of the inefficient junk in his game, that only DWade of all the major SGs shot better than Reke last year. And yet I'd bet half a box of 2 day old stale douhgnuts that tomorrow somebody is going to make the same statement again, about how Reke isn't effective as a SG because people just back off him. Its almost funny.
All very nice in theory. Then actual games get played and Tyreke was VERY effective and efficient as a SG, whatever his limitations. Why? Because for all the things he can't do, the things he CAN do are just about the best in the league. Almost unstoppable. Its like saying a boxer with a lousy jab and shaky left hand is ineffective even though he keeps on knocking out people with right hooks. Evidence suggests otherwise.
P.S. People have this fascination with "motion offenses". We had one once, and the personnel to run it. But there is no magic to a motion offense. And in fact when you have dominant one on one players like Cousins or Reke a motion offense is the LAST thing you particularly need. Motion offenses help lesser talents and guys who can't create on their own. They often actively limit star level guys by taking the ball out of their hands and giving it to system players instead.
All very nice in theory. Then actual games get played and Tyreke was VERY effective and efficient as a SG, whatever his limitations. Why? Because for all the things he can't do, the things he CAN do are just about the best in the league. Almost unstoppable. Its like saying a boxer with a lousy jab and shaky left hand is ineffective even though he keeps on knocking out people with right hooks. Evidence suggests otherwise.
P.S. People have this fascination with "motion offenses". We had one once, and the personnel to run it. But there is no magic to a motion offense. And in fact when you have dominant one on one players like Cousins or Reke a motion offense is the LAST thing you particularly need. Motion offenses help lesser talents and guys who can't create on their own. They often actively limit star level guys by taking the ball out of their hands and giving it to system players instead.
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Hey all.. Been following KF for a long time, well a long time in my short almost 20 year life haha. But I've finally decided to start posting with you guys cuz for the most part all give good knowledge about our team. Now Im finally goin to start speaking up as well!
Enough of that though..
I for one really want Tyreke back as do most, I also wanted Iggy to work out and we would of been able to have both, but that came to a screeching hault yesterday.. But we clearly should match NO offer.. Tyreke potential is so high it really is, it seems like a lot of people for got what he did when he was a rookie and a PG with pretty much no team around him. And ever since his rookie season he's been jerked around positions.
Alot of people are saying he has tunnel vision no jump shot blah blah blah, but for one his percentages has gone up little by little every year at the 3, and we just brought in that coach (cant think of his name off the top of my head) that worked on lebrons jumper and it's still not Perfect but it's gotten Wayyy better over the years, so that's a positive we got him on board to help our players shots. But the tunnel vision thing is so so I would say because with the team he was on I personally believe after so many kick outs and misses he felt like he had to put the ball up to the rack on his own.
Tyreke just has so much upside, and with our new ownership and direction of this franchise I believe he will tap into his potential. I've always told my Friends the kings have so much talent just need a coach to put them together and I think Coach Malone will be our guy!
Enough of that though..
I for one really want Tyreke back as do most, I also wanted Iggy to work out and we would of been able to have both, but that came to a screeching hault yesterday.. But we clearly should match NO offer.. Tyreke potential is so high it really is, it seems like a lot of people for got what he did when he was a rookie and a PG with pretty much no team around him. And ever since his rookie season he's been jerked around positions.
Alot of people are saying he has tunnel vision no jump shot blah blah blah, but for one his percentages has gone up little by little every year at the 3, and we just brought in that coach (cant think of his name off the top of my head) that worked on lebrons jumper and it's still not Perfect but it's gotten Wayyy better over the years, so that's a positive we got him on board to help our players shots. But the tunnel vision thing is so so I would say because with the team he was on I personally believe after so many kick outs and misses he felt like he had to put the ball up to the rack on his own.
Tyreke just has so much upside, and with our new ownership and direction of this franchise I believe he will tap into his potential. I've always told my Friends the kings have so much talent just need a coach to put them together and I think Coach Malone will be our guy!
If he is that good, why has our team STUNK since he got drafted? You hype him as an elite talent, but elite talents turn their teams around very quick. Tyreke just doesn't have the intangibles that other big ball handling gaurds/forwards have. His basketball IQ is average at best, and he doesn't have that fire that the greats do.
IMO for him to meet his potential(which to me is less athletic Iggy in SG's body, with better playmaking) than he has to accept the more off the ball role. Let him concentrate on defense, getting out and running, being a slasher with his strong quick body, and spotting up for 3's if necessary(which he did improve last season). I DO NOT want Tyreke Evans having the reigns of a basketball team.
IMO for him to meet his potential(which to me is less athletic Iggy in SG's body, with better playmaking) than he has to accept the more off the ball role. Let him concentrate on defense, getting out and running, being a slasher with his strong quick body, and spotting up for 3's if necessary(which he did improve last season). I DO NOT want Tyreke Evans having the reigns of a basketball team.
It's like you guys recycle the same arguments that keep getting shot down...do you have a pamphlet that you all share?
Can't shoot? Check.
Can't win? Check.
Doesn't pass the eye test. Check.
Team is better without him. Check
Yet each time, each is disproven with a combination of stats and reason. Give me something new. It comes back to Rubio, doesn't it...
I'm off to bed. Tomorrow I will wake up and celebrate by brewing an IPA. Goodnight, all!
Can't shoot? Check.
Can't win? Check.
Doesn't pass the eye test. Check.
Team is better without him. Check
Yet each time, each is disproven with a combination of stats and reason. Give me something new. It comes back to Rubio, doesn't it...
I'm off to bed. Tomorrow I will wake up and celebrate by brewing an IPA. Goodnight, all!
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It's like you guys recycle the same arguments that keep getting shot down...do you have a pamphlet that you all share?
Can't shoot? Check.
Can't win? Check.
Doesn't pass the eye test. Check.
Team is better without him. Check
Yet each time, each is disproven with a combination of stats and reason. Give me something new. It comes back to Rubio, doesn't it...
I'm off to bed. Tomorrow I will wake up and celebrate by brewing an IPA. Goodnight, all!
Can't shoot? Check.
Can't win? Check.
Doesn't pass the eye test. Check.
Team is better without him. Check
Yet each time, each is disproven with a combination of stats and reason. Give me something new. It comes back to Rubio, doesn't it...
I'm off to bed. Tomorrow I will wake up and celebrate by brewing an IPA. Goodnight, all!
The real question should be, is Tyreke worth $11M a year NOW? He still is a very much one-dimensional offensive player and no one respects his jump shot, which is kiss of death for a SG and lets teams merely block the middle to cut down his driving. His court vision is very narrow, not a good trait for a PG. His defense, fast breaks and drives to the bucket are stuff of legends. I love the kid don't get me wrong. But my question is "does he fit the near term and longer term plans?" You hate to lose him and his talent but.......... Tough decision for new front office for sure. And I see that Malone wants him to stay. If Malone can install a motion offense (lots of passing and movement without the ball) and get everyone to buy into and implement a hard nose defense, then Tyreke is a key. Will Cuz play defense? Will Kings have a real PG for distribution first? Then Tyreke becomes bigger key.
Tough decision for new front office for sure. And I see that Malone wants him to stay. If Malone can install a motion offense (lots of passing and movement without the ball) and get everyone to buy into and implement a hard nose defense, then Tyreke is a key. Will Cuz play defense? Will Kings have a real PG for distribution first? Then Tyreke becomes bigger key.
B) We've had video evidence of defenses playing Reke differently and showing more respect for his jumper. And it wasn't some lousy defensive team, it was Chicago. But if you watched you'd notice Chicago wasn't alone is showing more respect for his jumper. You act like teams play him like Rondo. And this year when they did play off him, his spot up 3 was vastly improved and arguably a consistent threat for the team the second half of the season.
C) His court vision is fine. His decision making needs improvement. Yet we again have video evidence of Reke seeing and hitting open players all over the court. A lack of vision implies he simply can't see open players and has little hope of improving in that area. When we've seen him hit open shooters numerous times since he put on a Kings jersey we know he does have the vision. When he doesn't pass it's usually either a bad decision, trying to force it which every elite penetrator does at times, or it's a trust issue, as in not trusting guys like Salmons, Outlaw, MT, JJ to hit them. Yet, many of the spot up 3's Jimmer/IT hit were off Reke penetration last year.
D) What is a real PG? Parker? Chalmers? Hill? Conley? I ask because those were the last four starting PG's standing this year and none are pass first. They're all combo guards or are Chalmers who doesn't do anything aside from play defense and spot up. SA won three rings with Parker averaging around 5 apg. OKC got to the finals last year with WB jacking a shot every other trip down the floor. Mia gets there without anything close to a "real pg". Our golden era had a PG averaging roughly 5 apg. Not your typical pass first, real PG. The only true pass first PG's left are CP3, Rubio and Nash. None have won a thing or gotten that close. Minn didn't make the playoffs and the other two got bounced by teams with combo guards.
E) I'd ask, since you make posts like this when you drop in and fail to respond and ignore counter arguments, can you back up anything you said with any kind of statistical evidence? You are never seen when evidence is presented, or you choose to ignore it, so can you at least attempt to back up what you're saying?
You make it sound as if the only reason why our team stinks is because of Evans. Funnily enough many here thought the future was bright after Evans' second year. Then we made poor trades, fired Westphal for an even worse coach, and moved Evans to SF. The premise that elite talents turn their teams around regardless of the situation is very suspect. But for argument's sake I'll agree with you on that. However, to begin with, 11mil/year is not a franchise-level player's salary. And the question is - have we tried to build the team around Evans and give him supporting players? Or have we asked him to change his game to suit a different style of play? The answer is obvious. And if we haven't been building aruond Tyreke Evans then I don't see how you can fault him for not turning the team around when he's been relegated to a much lesser role.
I will however, agree with you that he doesn't seem to have the same fire and drive and even basketball IQ that a VERY SELECT few have. Nobody here is annointing Tyreke Evans as a HOF player. But there is no doubt in my mind that he has the potential to be a perennial all-star. And since I don't see potential all-stars knocking on our door every season begging to join the team I think that it's worth taking a gamble of sorts on Evans. Again, 11/year is what you pay your second best player. Worst case scenario is we have a guy who is not a star that we are paying 11 mil for 4 years - not the worse that could happen considering Salmons and Outlaw basically cost you the same amount (and Tyreke gives you far better production). Best case is he blossoms under new coach and reaches his potential. He may not be a Dwyane Wade level player, but would you really complain with say prime Joe Johnson level production?
Anyway, I just don't think it's fair to say that Tyreke should have turned the franchise around by now. The Sonics had 2 bad years under Carlesimo evne with Kevin Durant, and surprise surprise the next year when they won 50 games Brooks won COY. There are loads of factors that have hindered the success of both Evans and our team as a whole. Am I excusing Evans of all blame? Heck no. But I do not want to see us lose a potential star player just because you've only seen what he can do under a poor coach. We've seen him put up 20-5-5 in his rookie season. Yes the numbers were inflated, but a guy who gets you 20-5-5 also commands a much bigger salary than 11/year. As for people who say that Tyreke could give you those numbers but the team would still lose - that's just personal opinion that has nothing substantial to back it.
I will however, agree with you that he doesn't seem to have the same fire and drive and even basketball IQ that a VERY SELECT few have. Nobody here is annointing Tyreke Evans as a HOF player. But there is no doubt in my mind that he has the potential to be a perennial all-star. And since I don't see potential all-stars knocking on our door every season begging to join the team I think that it's worth taking a gamble of sorts on Evans. Again, 11/year is what you pay your second best player. Worst case scenario is we have a guy who is not a star that we are paying 11 mil for 4 years - not the worse that could happen considering Salmons and Outlaw basically cost you the same amount (and Tyreke gives you far better production). Best case is he blossoms under new coach and reaches his potential. He may not be a Dwyane Wade level player, but would you really complain with say prime Joe Johnson level production?
Anyway, I just don't think it's fair to say that Tyreke should have turned the franchise around by now. The Sonics had 2 bad years under Carlesimo evne with Kevin Durant, and surprise surprise the next year when they won 50 games Brooks won COY. There are loads of factors that have hindered the success of both Evans and our team as a whole. Am I excusing Evans of all blame? Heck no. But I do not want to see us lose a potential star player just because you've only seen what he can do under a poor coach. We've seen him put up 20-5-5 in his rookie season. Yes the numbers were inflated, but a guy who gets you 20-5-5 also commands a much bigger salary than 11/year. As for people who say that Tyreke could give you those numbers but the team would still lose - that's just personal opinion that has nothing substantial to back it.
I do not blame Tyreke for this team being bad, not at all because i don't view him as an Elite talent, i view him as a 3rd option/best player on a good team. I just have problems with posters who still have hopes and dreams that Tyreke can reach the level of guys like Wade, Rose, Westbrook, Harden, even Ginobli(in his prime). Most everyone on this board wants to re-sign Tyreke and continue the Tyreke as lead ball handler experiment. I just don't see it, and now we have a prototype SG with all star potential, which means to me Tyreke must play at the very least half his minutes at SF for us. Getting Iggy would have balanced out our roster, letting Malone give everyone conventional NBA roles. If Tyreke comes back, its back to "we have a versatile lineup with guys that can play multiple positions", in theory that sounds great, in actuality as we have seen for at least the last 2 seasons, it creates chaos where players take turns trying to be "the guy". Hopefully Malone is the guy that can really harness our roster, and most importantly have the team's respect.
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The real question should be, is Tyreke worth $11M a year NOW? He still is a very much one-dimensional offensive player and no one respects his jump shot, which is kiss of death for a SG and lets teams merely block the middle to cut down his driving. His court vision is very narrow, not a good trait for a PG. His defense, fast breaks and drives to the bucket are stuff of legends. I love the kid don't get me wrong. But my question is "does he fit the near term and longer term plans?" You hate to lose him and his talent but.......... Tough decision for new front office for sure. And I see that Malone wants him to stay. If Malone can install a motion offense (lots of passing and movement without the ball) and get everyone to buy into and implement a hard nose defense, then Tyreke is a key. Will Cuz play defense? Will Kings have a real PG for distribution first? Then Tyreke becomes bigger key.
Tough decision for new front office for sure. And I see that Malone wants him to stay. If Malone can install a motion offense (lots of passing and movement without the ball) and get everyone to buy into and implement a hard nose defense, then Tyreke is a key. Will Cuz play defense? Will Kings have a real PG for distribution first? Then Tyreke becomes bigger key.
True. And going into year 5 you have to honestly question both fit and the chance he does make those improvements. Also his defense is a little overrated around here as well. He's a good one on one defender but he gets stuffed on screens because he's just too big to get around them. He's still a good defender overall though.
I think Tyreke can play PG for this team and should have playing it for the last two years. Cousins should be racking up assists to take up for whatever you're losing with Reke at PG, this team should have no shortage of playmaking on it ever with the versatile talent they have.
We'd really have to break out full games in order to see how the defenses are acting towards Reke. Clips aren't going to cut it, because we can make anyone look elite with clips.
But Cruz is right When watching games either at STA or on TV it seems that they slough off Evans a bid depending on how far back he's playing from the rim. This is what I see. I am an idiot for deleting those 5 or 6 games I had from last year, I just did about a week ago to make room. I could have taken a few photos of the screen to show the normal half court D against the Kings. Let me say this though, it does NOT happen all the time. They don't slough off Evans all the time, but in the half court offense a major issue was that they were packing the paint. I am sure you know this (because of all the game threads here that referenced that). There were also issues that Evans was left out of the offense completely it seemed and he ended up just standing in the corner. I saw this an AWFUL LOT last year.
As for stats though this is my argument (and no I am not trying to argue ), You can't discount things people say because of the coaching and FO and then use things he's done positively as evidence from when that same FO and coaching staff had the team. The only thing I have to go to stats wise was the last time Evans played PG, before he was moved to SG/SF. But it was only about a half season, so I don't know how many people will even accept a half season of team stats.
Anyhow, I think the FO matches, but I prefer Robin Lopez, and General Greivis.
But Cruz is right When watching games either at STA or on TV it seems that they slough off Evans a bid depending on how far back he's playing from the rim. This is what I see. I am an idiot for deleting those 5 or 6 games I had from last year, I just did about a week ago to make room. I could have taken a few photos of the screen to show the normal half court D against the Kings. Let me say this though, it does NOT happen all the time. They don't slough off Evans all the time, but in the half court offense a major issue was that they were packing the paint. I am sure you know this (because of all the game threads here that referenced that). There were also issues that Evans was left out of the offense completely it seemed and he ended up just standing in the corner. I saw this an AWFUL LOT last year.
As for stats though this is my argument (and no I am not trying to argue
), You can't discount things people say because of the coaching and FO and then use things he's done positively as evidence from when that same FO and coaching staff had the team. The only thing I have to go to stats wise was the last time Evans played PG, before he was moved to SG/SF. But it was only about a half season, so I don't know how many people will even accept a half season of team stats. Anyhow, I think the FO matches, but I prefer Robin Lopez, and General Greivis.
I probably would but I don't think the FO will. My opinion doesn't matter because I think the FO will seriously match. The whole Iggy type of player they were going after is telling. Evans is basically that type of player and he comes cheaper so why wouldn't the FO sign him?
Nothing against Evans.. I know there is a player value and a market value, and Evans market value is about a couple million higher than his player value in my opinion. That's for the FO to decide if they want to keep him or not at market value, but at this point I would be exploring sign and trades. If there isn't sign and trade to be had then I would consider signing him.. Glad it's not my job.
I don't want him to go for nothing. I don't think anyone here wants to just let him walk. If a sign and trade isn't available those 8 votes will probably be in the "keep Evans" tally.
Edited to clear a couple quotes up. I wasn't making much sense.
Nothing against Evans.. I know there is a player value and a market value, and Evans market value is about a couple million higher than his player value in my opinion. That's for the FO to decide if they want to keep him or not at market value, but at this point I would be exploring sign and trades. If there isn't sign and trade to be had then I would consider signing him.. Glad it's not my job.
I don't want him to go for nothing. I don't think anyone here wants to just let him walk. If a sign and trade isn't available those 8 votes will probably be in the "keep Evans" tally.
Edited to clear a couple quotes up. I wasn't making much sense.
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I agree with this, but would Tyreke accept a more off the ball role? would he accept playing extended minutes at SF? the quicker the "Tyreke as pg/primary ball handler" experiment ends, the better. Tyreke has the potential to be a defensive difference maker, he will never reach that if he dedicates the next 2 or 3 season again experimenting as a pg.
Tyreke Has Failed To Make Us Win, An Essay
List of all non-current teammates of Tyreke Evans in Sacramento, and current whereabouts:
Kevin Martin averaged 14.0pts 1.4reb 2.3ast as 6th man for OKC. Currently FA.
Carl Landry averaged 10.8pts 6.0reb as 6th/7th man for GSW. Currently FA.
Beno Udrih averaged 8.2pts 4.6ast as backup PG for MIL/ORL.
Omri Casspi averaged 4.0pts 2.7reb as deep bencher in CLE. Has asked for trade.
Spencer Hawes averaged 11.0pts 7.2reb 1.4blk as parttime starter in PHI. Currently FA.
Donte Greene broke foot and missed season. Waved towel whiel wearing a suit for Memphis during playoffs.
Andres Nocioni out of the league and probably the grumpy old cheater guy on a pickup court somewhere in Argentina.
Francisco Garcia averaged 6.4pts after being traded to Houston. Contract option was not picked up. Currently FA.
Sergio Rodriguez out of league. Playing in Spain.
Garret Temple averaged 5.1pts 2.4reb 2.3ast on .407 shooting as desperation parttime starter in WSH.
Ime Udoka out of league
Sean May out of league
Jon Brockman got hurt, traded, released, out of league
Desmond Mason out of league
Hilton Armstrong out of league
Kenny Thomas out of league
Joey Dorsey out of league
Dominic McGuire thought he played a little for Golden State, but looks like out of league
Samuel Dalembert averaged 6.7pts 5.9reb 1.1blk in 16.3min as part time starter in Milwaulkee
Luther Head out of league
Darnell Jackson out of league
Pooh Jeter out of league
Jermiane Taylor out of league
Hassan Whiteside out of league
Antoine Wright out of league
JJ Hickson averaged 12.7pts 10.3reb as starting center in Portland
Tyler Honeycutt out of league
Terrence Williams averaged 4.6pts in half season reserve role in Boston. Released after season.
Thomas Robinson avereraged 4.5pts 4.1reb in 19 games after being traded to Houston. Traded to Portland for 2nd rnd picks.
Aaron Brooks averaged 1.4pts in 7 games of garbagetime after being traded to Houston. Currently free agent.
There you go. That's all of them except the current crew of scrubbies. Construct your winning team. Available coaching choices are Paul Westphal (out of league) and Keith Smart (out of league). Have fun.
P.S. What do you think of Kevin Love? How about Kyrie Irving? And those are players actually given the ball and featured not stuffed in a corner and then blamed for losses.
List of all non-current teammates of Tyreke Evans in Sacramento, and current whereabouts:
Kevin Martin averaged 14.0pts 1.4reb 2.3ast as 6th man for OKC. Currently FA.
Carl Landry averaged 10.8pts 6.0reb as 6th/7th man for GSW. Currently FA.
Beno Udrih averaged 8.2pts 4.6ast as backup PG for MIL/ORL.
Omri Casspi averaged 4.0pts 2.7reb as deep bencher in CLE. Has asked for trade.
Spencer Hawes averaged 11.0pts 7.2reb 1.4blk as parttime starter in PHI. Currently FA.
Donte Greene broke foot and missed season. Waved towel whiel wearing a suit for Memphis during playoffs.
Andres Nocioni out of the league and probably the grumpy old cheater guy on a pickup court somewhere in Argentina.
Francisco Garcia averaged 6.4pts after being traded to Houston. Contract option was not picked up. Currently FA.
Sergio Rodriguez out of league. Playing in Spain.
Garret Temple averaged 5.1pts 2.4reb 2.3ast on .407 shooting as desperation parttime starter in WSH.
Ime Udoka out of league
Sean May out of league
Jon Brockman got hurt, traded, released, out of league
Desmond Mason out of league
Hilton Armstrong out of league
Kenny Thomas out of league
Joey Dorsey out of league
Dominic McGuire thought he played a little for Golden State, but looks like out of league
Samuel Dalembert averaged 6.7pts 5.9reb 1.1blk in 16.3min as part time starter in Milwaulkee
Luther Head out of league
Darnell Jackson out of league
Pooh Jeter out of league
Jermiane Taylor out of league
Hassan Whiteside out of league
Antoine Wright out of league
JJ Hickson averaged 12.7pts 10.3reb as starting center in Portland
Tyler Honeycutt out of league
Terrence Williams averaged 4.6pts in half season reserve role in Boston. Released after season.
Thomas Robinson avereraged 4.5pts 4.1reb in 19 games after being traded to Houston. Traded to Portland for 2nd rnd picks.
Aaron Brooks averaged 1.4pts in 7 games of garbagetime after being traded to Houston. Currently free agent.
There you go. That's all of them except the current crew of scrubbies. Construct your winning team. Available coaching choices are Paul Westphal (out of league) and Keith Smart (out of league). Have fun.
P.S. What do you think of Kevin Love? How about Kyrie Irving? And those are players actually given the ball and featured not stuffed in a corner and then blamed for losses.
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I don't care about this list because as i said earlier, i don't view Tyreke as a franchise player like you. Thus to me i know why we have stunk, and don't have to create excuses in my head for why "our superstar Tyreke Evans" hasn't turned this franchise around. To me all this list does is validate exactly why we have stunk, mixing a lot of these scrubs, while featuring a ultimate role player(Evans) as our "star", and having a complete nutcase in Cousins(who actually does have superstar potential if he ever becomes a sane human being), all combine for a bad team.
Kevin Love is a top 3 PF in the game today, whose team was on the verge of a playoff berth 2 seasons ago before Rubio's injury. Last year was just as bad with Love missing most of the season. Evans is nowhere near Love's level.
Irving is what you want from a PG in today's NBA, his team complete crap, we're talking borderline D'league players here(aside from a few like Verajao and maybe 1 or 2 more).
So you are saying you would rather have Tyreke over Love or Irving? Glad you are not Kings GM.
Kevin Love is a top 3 PF in the game today, whose team was on the verge of a playoff berth 2 seasons ago before Rubio's injury. Last year was just as bad with Love missing most of the season. Evans is nowhere near Love's level.
Irving is what you want from a PG in today's NBA, his team complete crap, we're talking borderline D'league players here(aside from a few like Verajao and maybe 1 or 2 more).
So you are saying you would rather have Tyreke over Love or Irving? Glad you are not Kings GM.
He's not that type of player. Even the Pelicans were looking to use him in a Manu role, and by that role, I mean a guy who comes in and carries the scoring load for the second unit. We're not talking about a balance guy, a defensive specialist, or a guy who will get others involved. That's what people see in Iggy. Tyreke is seen as Manu without the cleverness or outside shot.
Well your first line is ... I don't know what to make of it. It's a little circular - you don't blame Tyreke for the team being bad because you would only blame him if he were an elite talent, but he's not an elite talent because if he was the team would not be bad, i.e. it is impossible to blame a team being bad on an elite talent nor is it fair to blame it on a non-elite talent hence you cannot blame it on anyone.
But that aside, I respect your opinion. Tyreke is unproven as a superstar, no arguments from me there. But from my POV, which I hope you can appreciate (but apparently not since you said you have problems with such an opinion), Evans is only 23 years old and has been severely misused, and I believe he is only going to improve. You take his current statline and "improve" it a little and to me you get a player well worth 11 million/year and a player in all-star territory. Fact is, McLemore has the very same question marks about him. He's unproven in the league, and a knock on him is his lack of "fire" that you said Tyreke lacks.
But that aside, I respect your opinion. Tyreke is unproven as a superstar, no arguments from me there. But from my POV, which I hope you can appreciate (but apparently not since you said you have problems with such an opinion), Evans is only 23 years old and has been severely misused, and I believe he is only going to improve. You take his current statline and "improve" it a little and to me you get a player well worth 11 million/year and a player in all-star territory. Fact is, McLemore has the very same question marks about him. He's unproven in the league, and a knock on him is his lack of "fire" that you said Tyreke lacks.
Which is exactly why he will never be Manu! Do you think Manu would be allowed to be as clever if he couldn't shoot a lick? Heck no teams would just concede the jumper to him, same goes with Harden, Harden isn't exceptionally fast or athletic, but his outside shooting threat means teams have to play up on him. Thats not even taking into account things like Basketball IQ, which guys like Manu and Harden ooze. While Tyreke's is average at best.
Tyreke SHOULD just look at Igoudala tape and realize, yep this is what i can to win in the league. Can i become a lock down wing defender? yes, am i deadly in the open floor? yes. Do i have the body type to be a deadly slasher in a half court offense? yes. Can i hit the occasional corner three? Yes(showed improvement last season).
Tyreke SHOULD just look at Igoudala tape and realize, yep this is what i can to win in the league. Can i become a lock down wing defender? yes, am i deadly in the open floor? yes. Do i have the body type to be a deadly slasher in a half court offense? yes. Can i hit the occasional corner three? Yes(showed improvement last season).