Tyreke Evans offered Qualifying Offer making him a Restricted Free Agent
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I guess I didn't mean compared to past seasons. I don't know what the numbers were, I just know that by the end of the season he was the ONLY one *I* had any confidence in taking an outside shot (strangely). Again, this is how I FELT, and probably has no basis in reality - but even still, some people act like he's DeAndre Jordan taking 18 footers.
This was triggered by Kingfanpaul's comment before I noticed he added more to it later, so no matter.
TheWileyVet
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If another team really wants him they're going to offer 12+/yr, maybe more. Anything less than that and they have to know we'll match.
So let's see if I have it straight... Some of you don't want to pay Reke more than $8.5m/yr but you're conceding there are teams out there that will likely throw more at him? Why on earth would they do that if he is, as some think, the vast disappointment with limited skills?
Sorry, but we need to match any legitimate offer if we want to have any credibility in the league. If we don't, we're no better off than we were with the Maloofs.
Sorry, but we need to match any legitimate offer if we want to have any credibility in the league. If we don't, we're no better off than we were with the Maloofs.
Anthony1
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Why would anybody pay this guy 12 million a year ?
Based on what ? His rookie season and his potential ? He was in a bad system, etc, etc,.... Please. We know what Tyreke is, and what he isn't. So does the rest of the league. Nobody is giving him 12 million, and if somebody is stupid enough to do that, you simply walk away shaking your head.
4 years, 38 million.
That's fair, anything above that and you're overpaying.
1. We better not commit anywhere near 50 million on him
2. If we are anywhere close to 50 million, we better have him in a 5 year deal with the 5th year as a team option.
I'll ask again. How would you replace him (player, contract)?
Kingsfan23
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Who is conceding that? Look at any top free agent lists, is he there? Which teams that have cap space have a need for him in terms of positional need and/or salary structure at top dollar? Personally I think he will literally be in a position to take whatever we give him, and what we give him will be in good faith
Yes, he is. It will take me a while to find it, and I'm too tired tonight, but he's listed in the top 10 of free agents of at least one list that I saw.
Kingsfan23
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You posted it here, I saw it.. He was sandwiched between JJ Hickson and OJ Mayo, which I think typifies what many view as the market he'll face
We'll see. I've seen other sites that list him in the top 10 overall and the 2-4 best guard. The reality is that are being overlooked is that team's frequently overpay for FA's, especially young talented ones.
TheWileyVet
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All I'm saying is other teams must know we'd be willing to match most contracts, even contracts in which most would consider Tyreke overpaid. The only way the Kings don't match is if the offer would make him grossly overpaid. Not sure what you're reading
Chupacabra
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Lets all try to remember that its not about what Tyreke is worth. Its about what his market value is. For example, his services may only be worth 8 million but his market value may be 10 million. Players are generally paid their market value which tends to be more than what theyre actually worth. If we wish to be competitive we have to play the market value game.
Gary
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Agree. He has improved his shooting but I don't want to overpay for him. He's definitely not worth the max so I top out at about 9-9.5mil/yr. That 4/50 from the Hawks is a bit high. That's more than 12mil/yr. I have a bad feeling though that's what he's going to fetch. There will be a lot of discussion if that were to happen on whether it's worth it or not.
Gary
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I get confused about that too. I think you're right though. There is a market value and a player worth. The market value, depending on the year or the circumstances, could be a lot higher than a players worth, and that should be considered.
Bricklayer
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Only in extreme cases, because of this:
The Kings can't replace him. They might have signed 1 free agent in team history at his level, and maybe not even that. Certainly none at his potential level. So when you start nitpicking around ooh $9.5mil or $10.5mil for a small market team like the Kings, you are really almost talking about option #1 being maybe overpaying by $2mil, vs. option #2 being losing a $9mil asset for nothing. If you're the Lakers, you can play that game and just sign another $9mil asset next year. If you're the Kings, you have never shown that ability, so you keep all the talent you happen to get your hands on, and if you really don't want it, you can trade it for more assets in the future. If you live in a rainforest you can waste all the water you want. If you live in a desert you have to retain, conserve, and recycle every drop.
So if he doesn't get a reasonable offer from someone this offseason, does he then end next season as an UFA? Can the Kings negotiate throughout the year, despite having given a QO? Not sure on the details, as this seems like the first time I've dealt with this under the new CBA. Seems like all we've done for years is sign some MLE contracts and called it a day.
I guess the easiest thing to have happen is for some other team to offer cash first.
I guess the easiest thing to have happen is for some other team to offer cash first.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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A few scenarios scare me. Monta Ellis and Andre Iguodala. We'd have to make major cap moves to sign one of these guys and Evans, and we could choose one of them over Evans. Monta with the obvious GSW connection, and Iggy because of the Denver connection with PDA. Will they come here? who knows, but I think it's a semi legitimate threat. We'll see. I'd rather keep Evans than either guy, obviously. Hopefully the team feels the same. But if Evans is going to command 11-14mil per, at what point does Vivek say 'I'd rather have Monta, or Iggy'?
I will also say that Sacramento is sort of changing in terms of a FA destination because of the new ownership group and basketball staff. It won't happen overnight, but almost all of the draft prospects had fantastic things to say about Malone and his coaching style. We even heard directly that our workouts were better than other teams. Word gets around fast. PDA is a very likable GM, and Vivek is a about as awesome of an owner as you can get when you're talking about personality and potential relationship with a player. Add these things to the fact that we are one of the few teams with potential cap room ...
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Kingster
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So what is the max you would pay him?
HereWeBoogie
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check out a Tweet that Tyreke's brother retweeted.
Gabe Hernandez @GHernandez916
@Bluprintceo Reke going to retire a @SacramentoKings!!
#PrintDat
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Gabe Hernandez @GHernandez916
@Bluprintceo Reke going to retire a @SacramentoKings!!
#PrintDat
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If anything, we have to recognize that Evans WANTS to be here, and he WANTS to make Sacramento a winner. He knows if he does, the city won't forget him.
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Shabazz916
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tyreke is a very good player just remember with the horrible coaching we have had.. he hasnt even had a system to run.
Glenn
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Tyreke and Cousins are nuts. They both WANT to be here. 
I find that fascinating and even a little puzzling although I think according to Cousins' mother, she thought he would like it best in a smaller city and I feel pretty confident that this is Tyreke's attitude also. Then of course there is the new ownership and a shiny new arena. This is a good sign for future FA hunting.
People may disagree but there is something very important about these two guys and their attitude towards Sacramento and I think their stamp of approval of the Kings makes it even more imperative that we sign them.
I find that fascinating and even a little puzzling although I think according to Cousins' mother, she thought he would like it best in a smaller city and I feel pretty confident that this is Tyreke's attitude also. Then of course there is the new ownership and a shiny new arena. This is a good sign for future FA hunting.People may disagree but there is something very important about these two guys and their attitude towards Sacramento and I think their stamp of approval of the Kings makes it even more imperative that we sign them.
Gary
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New ownership, so you don't know how they will appeal to players... But if history is any indication then you are right.
As for Reke's value, that's where we differ on opinions. I feel that we have the players at SG to replace Evans stat wise. Defensively we were terrible anyway, so it couldn't get much worse from last year. If Malone has the players playing D though I would take 10 Rekes to 1 MT, but in the case of offense It's almost a wash at this point in their careers. Evans is more creative but at the end of the day the PPG is about the same depending on who starts.
Gary
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For any stretch of games do you feel he had been used correctly over the past 4 years? Just curious because the whole "bad coaching" is kind of a blanket statement.
Kingsfan23
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Conversely can't the same be true? That some may value him at 10 million but the market (or lack there of) will place him at 8?
About coaching, again I feel if here were a prime time player he would have risen above it to still contribute dominantly. Why was his position being rotated? Because he, or the team weren't excelling at any?
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Shabazz916
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no i think tyreke is a pg in the league not traditional but with his ability to take ppl. off the dribble he can get in the lane with a number of moves & dish to ppl. or finish that what he does best. get shooters around him and let cousins man help off the drive and bam easy and1 for cousins..
put evans in a spurs type offense and he could be deadly
Gary
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Fair enough.
I feel he should be used differently and I feel that there were times when Smart (as well as other coaches we had) had used him correctly. I just don't think he has the court vision to get others consistently involved if he were to play PG. It's easy to say he drives and dishes it off to open shooters, but from what I have seen a lot of, he will take a difficult shot in traffic over passing it to someone that is open. He's been a lot better recently but I would like to see him playing a few minutes here and there as a PG before they try to put him back full time.
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Padrino
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i know you were responding to a different poster, but if i may, "stretch of games" is a tough characterization given how erratic both paul westphal and keith smart were with their lineups and their use of tyreke. however, if you look at the game logs from '12-'13, and note when tyreke played significant minutes (36+), there are two trends that stand out to me...
1) tyreke generally played very well when treated as a high-usage guard, despite rarely being treated as a high-usage guard. there were only 18 games in which he played at least 36 mins last season. here's some of the highlights, organized by minutes played:
game #42 (MIA): 43 mins, 26 pts (11-19), 4 rebs, 4 asts, 5 stls against 2 to's
game #58 (LAL): 43 mins, 21 pts (9-15), 9 rebs, 6 asts, 0 stls against 4 to's
game #32 (PHI): 42 mins, 29 pts (11-18), 4 rebs, 4 asts, 2 stls against 3 to's
game #60 (DAL): 41 mins, 26 pts (10-15), 9 rebs, 6 asts, 0 stls against 1 to
game #23 (WAS): 40 mins, 21 pts (8-15), 8 rebs, 8 asts, 3 stls against 2 to's
game #01 (CHI): 39 mins, 21 pts (8-13), 8 rebs, 3 asts, 0 stls against 2 to's
game #53 (MIN): 38 mins, 21 pts (8-11), 5 rebs, 5 asts, 0 stls against 3 to's
game #13 (UTA): 36 mins, 27 pts (9-17), 5 rebs, 5 asts, 2 stls against 2 to's
game #50 (CHI): 36 mins, 26 pts (11-13), 5 rebs, 7 asts, 3 stls against 2 to's
that looks to me like a player that deserves a significant increase in minutes per game. it's not as if 'reke is a volume scorer. in none of the above games did he take 20 shots or more. in each of the above games he scored 20 points or more on very efficient shooting, all while racking up rebounds and assists, while also keeping his turnovers down, against both bad opponents and good opponents (he seems to eat up the bulls). there's no other king except demarcus cousins that can lay claim to as many stellar games last season, yet tyreke was often misused and shoved off-ball indiscriminately despite being the second best king on the court on any given night (while occasionally showing the ability to carry the team altogether). he was consistently at the mercy of keith smart's bizarre management of player minutes. that brings me to the second trend...
2) tyreke received significant minutes (36+) seemingly at random. there was no lengthy stretch of games in which 'reke's minutes leveled out. after the all-star break, the kings managed to string together a couple of games here and there in which keith smart seemed to show faith in tyreke. but, in general, some nights he'd play 25. other nights he'd play 40. he'd post a ridiculous stat line in one game, and then see his minutes and touches decrease the next. keith smart simply had no excuse for jerking 'reke around in this manner. he's a talented young guard with all-star potential, and should be treated as such, both on the court and in his contract...
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Shabazz916
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of course you havent seen it.. with smart coaching he has been off the ball and at times at sf truly out of position. his first year he was used correctly.. doing what he does best
HereWeBoogie
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i think Tyreke should play PG. he will be an attacking PG like D Rose or Westbrook. he is a willing passer, but back when he played PG, he was passing to people who couldnt hit an open shot, he still averaged 5apg though.
now if the Kings get some decent shooters out there, and they actually start running a real offense with some Reke/DMC Pick n rolls, he should do just fine as a PG.
and dont forget how hard it is for almost every PG in the league to defend Tyreke
now if the Kings get some decent shooters out there, and they actually start running a real offense with some Reke/DMC Pick n rolls, he should do just fine as a PG.
and dont forget how hard it is for almost every PG in the league to defend Tyreke
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