Tyreke considering procedure for foot, would be out for 3-4 months

[Vlade4GM]

I hope he isn't doing this because surgery is a better excuse for missing games than just resting the injury. I don't know the particulars, but if resting the injury can fix it, then I'd prefer he do that than have surgery.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

Yeah I kinda agree. Westphal said it wasn't serious. Petrie said it's minor. Tyreke said it's not bad enough to make him sit. His brother tried to pull him out indefinitely. Then report of outside personal problems. Then he looks good for the most part and drops a season high 32. Now season ending surgery? He didn't look like a guy needing season ending surgery last night.

I truly wonder how much of this is mental. Confusing to say the least. Even the report that says he might do it next week, at the allstar break, or after the season is confusing. If it's that bad do it tomorrow, and if it is that bad, why the option of doing it in 2-5 months down the road?

Yeah thats the thing. There is just too many different reports from different people to make it believable that the foot injury is that serious and the main cause of the problems.

The main issue with Tyreke is he looks disinterested when he is on the floor, for whatever reason. Its not like he was limping or favoring his foot out there. I've mentioned a few times a couple weeks back that I think it could be problems created within his handlers/inner circle.

I mean his foot could really be adding to his trouble a bit with pain and by limiting his explosiveness. But you couldn't have been able to tell with his dunk late in the game. That was the running back Tyreke seeing a hole in the D and going right through like last year.

The Amick piece mentions his talk with his mom and how it helped. We saw Reke have his best offensive game this year after that talk, not after treatment to his foot. That kind of tells you the problems are more with his personal issues and not his foot. He's been in this funk since early in the season, zoning out on the court. Its something thats really bothering him thats on his mind.

For someone in Tyreke's position with a bright future and earning potential, there can really only be a few scenarios.

-Health Problems (serious type) of family members? His mom is able to fly to Sac to talk to him so I doubt it. His bros are all still fairly young so this seems unlikely.

-Legal Issues (stemming from wrongful death case)? Could be, and even with no jail time, it can cost Tyreke more money that he is worth at this point. This may turn him into having nothing, at least for now until a couple more checks come in.

-Woman/Love Problems (losing his gf or girl doesn't like him)? Sounds silly but at 21, some athletes still believe in love/one women until they get corrupted by the league's culture.

-Money (In general)? Failed business ventures by his brothers. Remember, after the CA taxes, Reke is left with less than $2 million. After buying land and building a new house for his mom and funding the businesses, partying, hiring his bro + Lamont, living expense, cars and all misc fees, Reke may be left with nothing. Sure he has many more checks to come in his career, so this seems unlikely but still a possibility.

 

[rainmaker]

According to Grant, Tyreke is confused by what everyone is telling him, confused about the procedure, and there is no way he'll have season ending surgery. Same type as confusion as when Tyreke told Jason Jones he had a stress fracture, which he didn't.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Then Grant takes his first call and some poor guy is trying to explain his personal experience with plantar fractis and he immediately disses him without letting dude finish his little story. He yells at him rudely, saying his foot problem is nothing like playing in NBA. Oh, really. What an arrogant, know it all, punk!! He should have let the guy finish his story - he only gave him about 20 seconds. He could have let him talk for about a minute to get somewhere with his points (he had a few good ones) and then dumped on him off the air if he felt so impowered to act like a complete jerk - endlessly!

 

[ArcoKings]

Then Grant takes his first call and some poor guy is trying to explain his personal experience with plantar fractis and he immediately disses him without letting dude finish his little story. He yells at him rudely, saying his foot problem is nothing like playing in NBA. Oh, really. What an arrogant, know it all, punk!! He should have let the guy finish his story - he only gave him about 20 seconds. He could have let him talk for about a minute to get somewhere with his points (he had a few good ones) and then dumped on him off the air if he felt so impowered to act like a complete jerk - endlessly!

LOL. I listen to him online, and I agree, he can be an arrogant jerk. It's his way or take the highway.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Then Grant takes his first call and some poor guy is trying to explain his personal experience with plantar fractis and he immediately disses him without letting dude finish his little story. !

That's Grant's M.O. He hardly ever lets anyone finish a thought. Then he has no idea what the person really meant, because he didn't let them finish, so then he goes off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what the caller was actually trying to say. Grant is the (unintentional?) master of the strawman argument.

 

[Arena Skeptic]

You know, I don't comment here all that much, but this article in today's Bee is just about making me check out entirely. We're grown-ups, obsessing over a young man's foot. Just think about that.

Meanwhile, I have a chronic disease that I have to fight continuously. I'll have it for the rest of my life. Maybe I'll live another 30 years, maybe I won't, but I am pretty sure about what'll kill me.

The Kings are a ridiculous team, and I can't think of a reason they should be favored in even a single game from here on out. If they've had 3 nights off, and Minnesota comes here and is in the 4th game of a 4-in-5 roadie, and they're missing Love, I still think I'd take the Timberwolves.

I really can't keep following this daily. I am checking out. I'm done. They've gone through the easy part of the schedule where they've played way more home games than road games, and I think winning 20 is now completely and entirely out of the question.

For some reason, obsessing over the condition of a 20 y/o's foot just really turns me off. I find it so completely strange. I got through about three paragraphs in the paper today and looked for anything else to read.

There is literally nothing about this team I would not change. Nothing. Owners, GM, coaches, players, arena... Nothing.

I'll be back if the arena debate gets more interesting, because that will probably directly affect me. Day-to-day? Details. I don't need to know the minutiae of how they got to 14-68. A coach that is currently 30-80 should not be kept; I'll celebrate when he's gone.

I'm mostly done here. I'm sure some of you are celebrating that fact. That's okay, I have better things to do. Got an oil leak I might need to fix on my car.

How many more fans can the Kings afford to lose? That article in the Bee about attendance almost hit the mark; it needed to ask one more question: Why do the Maloofs so obviously inflate their attendance stats? Without all their donations and deep discounts, only about 4,000 people would even show up for games. They're getting killed out there.

Can the Maloofs afford to lose me? Well, I guess so.

I'll be back to mourn if the Kings leave, and will continue to debate the merits of a general tax, such as a TIF, if it comes to that. Maybe for a post-mortem after PW/GP are gone, and at the end of the season. Until then, talking about Tyreke's knee is just going to drive me crazy.

Sorry for the long post; just wanted to lay out my argument.

 

[bajaden]

So here's what I think. If anyone cares. I think we can all agree that Tyreke is not playing up to the standards anyone expected. All of you seem to have differing opinions as to why. From being disinterested, which I assume means not caring one way or another. The logic of that escapes me. Why a young man that spent his entire life training for this exact moment in time, would just suddenly become disinterested, just doesn't make sense. Especially when its been highly publicized that he has a foot problem.

So can we all agree that he has a foot problem? And if so, that is the main culprit in this drama. Then the next logical step is how to deal with said problem. Will rest fix it? Will it go away if you continue to play on it? Will a surgical procedure totally elliminate it into the future? I'm not a doctor, so I don't have that answer. But I would go with the one that gave me the most permanent fix. If thats surgery, then go for it. I've done a little reading on the subject, and it appears that when you rest it, there's no clear answer. In some people it goes away and it never bothers them again. In others its a reoccurring problem. No clear answer there. If you apply logic, it would seem that it your just the average Joe Blow off the street, you might fall into the catagory of, never being bothered again. But if you a guy thats constantly running and jumping for a living, it just might rear its ugly head again.

So if yourTyreke Evans, the current ROY, and the poster boy for the Kings, and you believe all your press clippings that the entire future of the team depends on you. Wouldn't you be just a little confused about what you should do? Wouldn't you believe that your letting the entire team and the fanbase down if you decide to shut it down? Especially when you go to a well respected doctor. A doctor that has treated Kobe for the exact same problem, and he tells you that your just fine to play. Hey, its just a little pain. You can play through it. That would be the manly thing to do, wouldn't it?

You have a young man that just turned 21. He's a shy reserved young man that appears to be a very privite person. He's never had an injury thats persisted like this one and he's getting mixed signals from a lot of different people in his little circle. Up to now, his brothers have been the only one's he's listened to. And his mom. That all ended the day he signed his contract with the Kings. Perhaps thats where some of his personal conflict is coming from. I really have no clue.

When your that young with that much responsiblilty, you need guidance. The people with the power are the Kings. They pay his salary. Westphal or Petrie or the Maloofs, I really don't care which one, needs to make a decision for him, and not leave it up to him. I don't think they can make him have the surgery, but Westphal can sit him down for a few weeks and find out if that works. Give the young man time to heal and re-think his position. Take the pressure of the responsibility off of his shoulders. Contrary to what some of you might think, signing an NBA contract and making millions of dollars doesn't make you a wise mature adult at the same time. One of natures little tricks.

 

[Glenn]

I'm a doctor but don't play one on TV. I had planned on returning to my cave and not writing any more notes but ... maybe I have some expertise here.

Plantar fasciitis is an inflammation and resultant scarring along the bottom of the foot. There is fascia throughout the body and it lines muscle and in this case goes from the heel to the toes on the bottom of the foot (the plantar surface). Repetitive movement can cause inflammation of many things in the body such as tennis elbow, carpal tunnel syndrome, mouse finger, etc. and this. It hurts! Scar tissue develops in response to this constant injury and re-injury. It is the body's effort to reinforce something that is injured. The longer the injury goes on, the more scar tissue develops. Scar tissue is the body's response to injury. The more there is scar tissue, the more difficult it is to treat so treatment must start as soon as possible. I am guessing he is at the beginning stages of the injury in comparison to others who have it.

There are many things available from a physical therapy aspect and all help. In a basketball game, sitting on the bench with an immobile foot will allow the pain to return. You will notice Tyreke keeps his foot in motion while on the bench with a simple cloth like thing (not sure what it is) that he wraps around his foot and he pulls on it gently to keep the foot moving. This doesn't cure it but prevents it from recurring during the game. Next, the use of ice holds down the swelling and lowers the amount of injury and pain and heat helps healing such as removing the scar tissue. This is physical therapy 101 and is very important.

There are many options beyond this and some are probably beyond what I have researched.

If you are following me, it seems like a couple things need to occur.

#1 To lower the amount of injury the rubbing movement of the fascia has to be eliminated. This would mean Tyreke needs to not only quit playing but to quit walking - in the end a dead end approach. Of course he can't quit walking or quit playing. I will bet money that his style of play has led to the injury and especially on one foot. We don't want to take his style away, do we? He pushes off a lot. What makes Tyreke uniquely skilled is hurting him. But, he has to quit playing for awhile.

#2 Total elimination of the scar tissue is important and a half way measure just leads to a more rapid recurrence of the problem. The point being that rest may end the pain but doesn't remove the scar which I am calling "cure." This is where surgery comes in. There are a variety of surgical procedures that can be performed and at one time these were thought to be last ditch efforts. I am guessing that a laser can break up the scar tissue as opposed to cruder methods of the past. This will leave him bruised and miserable for awhile but gradually healing will occur.

But first he checks with a doctor. Doctors who deal with athletes know how to talk to them BUT still have to give "informed consent" or the filthy lawyers (Brick) will sue if there is a bad outcome. The reason is to place the decision on the back of the patient and not the doctor. So he is overwhelmed with information ........ and responsibility to his family and his team. It's tough.

I think that a condition that once was incurable, just controllable, now might actually be "cured" and with preventive measures of ice and heat, perhaps prevented as Tyreke will continue to do the same motion that caused it in the first place.

Any thoughts that this could be used as a way to manipulate our position in the draft (do we need to do anything else?) are cynical. This is real and takes away one of the major moves that this young man has.

As to having someone make the decision for him, no! This isn't the way it works in medicine. If I were Tyreke, I would ask the doctor what he/she would do if it was the doctor who was injured and consult with a couple more doctors.

I hope I haven't simply repeated what someone else has said and apologize for not reading all the discussion.

 

[gunks]

This forum has resident Doctors.

I love Kingsfans



Anyways, I've read that the laser treatment is a kind of BS. The plantar fisciitis is fixed with the rest taken after the procedure. Of course, unlike an invasive surgery, this wouldnt take care of scar tissue if any has developed, which would cause the problem to be chronic.


Dont quote me on that though. Unlike Glenn, I'm not a Doctor. I'm just a layabout who surfs the internet a lot at work.

 

[Glenn]

This forum has resident Doctors.

I love Kingsfans



Anyways, I've read that the laser treatment is a kind of BS. The plantar fisciitis is fixed with the rest taken after the procedure. Of course, unlike an invasive surgery, this wouldnt take care of scar tissue if any has developed, which would cause the problem to be chronic.


Dont quote me on that though. Unlike Glenn, I'm not a Doctor. I'm just a layabout who surfs the internet a lot at work.

Rest will eliminate the pain but not necessarily the underlying problem. I've got back pain that has led to disability. If I lay around, it doesn't hurt so much. If I get up and walk around, it hurts like, well, you know.

A quick run down of what I wrote is this: get it early because it will need "getting" some day. It may be minor surgery today instead of a tad more major surgery tomorrow. There MUST be scarring or surgery wouldn't have been brought up. I don't know what surgery would be used. Then prevent it from recurring. At some point you need to trust a doctor unless you think the organization is lying about him seeing a doctor.

 

[bajaden]

I'm a doctor but don't play one on TV. I had planned on returning to my cave and not writing any more notes but ... maybe I have some expertise here.

Plantar fasciitis is an inflammation and resultant scarring along the bottom of the foot. There is fascia throughout the body and it lines muscle and in this case goes from the heel to the toes on the bottom of the foot (the plantar surface). Repetitive movement can cause inflammation of many things in the body such as tennis elbow, carpal tunnel syndrome, mouse finger, etc. and this. It hurts! Scar tissue develops in response to this constant injury and re-injury. It is the body's effort to reinforce something that is injured. The longer the injury goes on, the more scar tissue develops. Scar tissue is the body's response to injury. The more there is scar tissue, the more difficult it is to treat so treatment must start as soon as possible. I am guessing he is at the beginning stages of the injury in comparison to others who have it.

There are many things available from a physical therapy aspect and all help. In a basketball game, sitting on the bench with an immobile foot will allow the pain to return. You will notice Tyreke keeps his foot in motion while on the bench with a simple cloth like thing (not sure what it is) that he wraps around his foot and he pulls on it gently to keep the foot moving. This doesn't cure it but prevents it from recurring during the game. Next, the use of ice holds down the swelling and lowers the amount of injury and pain and heat helps healing such as removing the scar tissue. This is physical therapy 101 and is very important.

There are many options beyond this and some are probably beyond what I have researched.

If you are following me, it seems like a couple things need to occur.

#1 To lower the amount of injury the rubbing movement of the fascia has to be eliminated. This would mean Tyreke needs to not only quit playing but to quit walking - in the end a dead end approach. Of course he can't quit walking or quit playing. I will bet money that his style of play has led to the injury and especially on one foot. We don't want to take his style away, do we? He pushes off a lot. What makes Tyreke uniquely skilled is hurting him. But, he has to quit playing for awhile.

#2 Total elimination of the scar tissue is important and a half way measure just leads to a more rapid recurrence of the problem. The point being that rest may end the pain but doesn't remove the scar which I am calling "cure." This is where surgery comes in. There are a variety of surgical procedures that can be performed and at one time these were thought to be last ditch efforts. I am guessing that a laser can break up the scar tissue as opposed to cruder methods of the past. This will leave him bruised and miserable for awhile but gradually healing will occur.

But first he checks with a doctor. Doctors who deal with athletes know how to talk to them BUT still have to give "informed consent" or the filthy lawyers (Brick) will sue if there is a bad outcome. The reason is to place the decision on the back of the patient and not the doctor. So he is overwhelmed with information ........ and responsibility to his family and his team. It's tough.

I think that a condition that once was incurable, just controllable, now might actually be "cured" and with preventive measures of ice and heat, perhaps prevented as Tyreke will continue to do the same motion that caused it in the first place.

Any thoughts that this could be used as a way to manipulate our position in the draft (do we need to do anything else?) are cynical. This is real and takes away one of the major moves that this young man has.

As to having someone make the decision for him, no! This isn't the way it works in medicine. If I were Tyreke, I would ask the doctor what he/she would do if it was the doctor who was injured and consult with a couple more doctors.

I hope I haven't simply repeated what someone else has said and apologize for not reading all the discussion.

Thanks for the post. Very informative. I certainly hope its not as long lasting as tennis elbow, which I had so bad that I couldn't even hold a coffee cup in the morning without extreme pain. It took me two years to recover from it. And which I brought on myself by not quiting when I first had the pain. By the way, in no way was I suggesting that someone should force him to have surgery. But they could sit him down and see if that works, and give him some time to think about how to solve the problem permanently, if possible. Right now I think he has too many things on his plate, and is probably getting advice for too many sources.

 

[kingsboi]

Tyreke is an adult now, a young adult at that, but still he is an adult. He is going to have to make his own decision on this one, IMO. You can get only so much support and opinions by your family, friends and the organization but in the end...it really comes down to what Tyreke wants to do and what he feels would help him more. Regardless of his decision, I will support it 100% and hope for the best in that he made the correct decision.