Trade Proposals (Blow -Up)

[OvechKiN]

1)
To Kings:
Stephon Marbury (Then buy him out)
1st 2010

To Knicks:
Ron Artest
Kenny Thomas
SAR
Rights to Patrick Ewing Jr.

2)
To Kings:
Andres Nocioni
Tyrus Thomas

To Bulls:
Brad Miller
2nd '09 & 2011

New Kings Line-up:

Udrih / Douby / Singletary
Martin / Garcia
Salmons / Nocioni / Garcia
Tyrus / Thompson / Williams
Hawes / Moore

At the end of the year, we will have ~40M off the books (Marbury, Moore, Nocioni, Williams).
Our 1st round pick should be top 5, and we gain another first for the year after.
If anything, with 40M in expirings, we can make a splash at the end of the year as well.

 

[AriesMar27]

thats horrible....

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Oh, boy.

1)
To Kings:
Stephon Marbury (Then buy him out)
1st 2010

To Knicks:
Ron Artest
Kenny Thomas
SAR
Rights to Patrick Ewing Jr.
2nd '2010

We get rid of salary in 2009, which is good, and we get a first rounder in 2010. Probably good. Maybe that's the best we can do with Artest. But I don't see why we include PEJR, and I don't see why we buy out Marbury. He's got just this one year left. Bench him if you want, but why buy him out? He's expiring.

2)
To Kings:
Gerald Wallace

To Bobcats:
John Salmons
Sheldon Williams
Quincy Douby

And the Bobcats do this because...? Two bench players and a decent but not great starter (Salmons) for their star? Sure. That wouldn't happen if Petrie had incriminating photos of MJ in (imagine whatever scenario you want).

3) 3-Way
To Kings:
Andres Nocioni
Adonal Foyle
1st '09 CHI
1st '09 GSW

To Bulls:
Brad Miller

To GSW:
Beno Udrih (I doubt he gets traded, but w/e)
Drew Gooden

Umm...Foyle isn't with the Warriors anymore. He's with Orlando.

 

[est.1999]

worst trade idea........ EVER

 

[bajaden]

Go back to smoking whatever your smoking.. See if Brad will join you..

 

[CruzDude]

These are so bad as to not comment.

 

[NoBonus]

I don't know... the Marbury deal seems like a nice rebuilding piece as long as the Kings hold on to Patrick Ewing, Jr.

 

[Amory]

I think this post was made to be more funny then it was made to be serious.

I wouldn't mind portions of this to clear up cap space....I wouldn't want Stephon Marbury to play for us but heck, having 22M next year wouldn't be too bad either.

 

[nbrans]

Why is the first one bad? Clear the decks for free agency in '09 and get a 1st Rounder. There's nothing wrong with that. People seriously need to get over the hating Stephon Marbury stuff. It's completely stupid and illogical -- he most likely wouldn't even suit up for the Kings.

I don't, however, think that NY and Charlotte would do #1 and #2, and I seriously hope the Kings wouldn't do #3.

 

[OvechKiN]

Ok, basically, im kinda tired of these late lottery picks.
The difference between having Artest and Miller in the line up wouldve been the difference between drafting an OJ Mayo and a Jason Thompson (Although I do look forward to seeing Thompson play next year)
To me, its either full rebuild, or no re-build. This half rebuild, half contend strategy is going to keep us in the middle of the pack (just miss playoffs or squeeze in). Thats useless IMO.
Although I do agree that these proposals need tweaking a bit.
Let me change a couple things maybe and see if its more agreeable.

 

[OvechKiN]

Yes Marbury is an expiring that we can have sit, but since he is sitting, why not buy him out for a portion of the 22M instead of paying him the full amount?
I'm not sure how the rules and implications of buying out a player in the NBA works.....maybe someone can explain?

 

[kennadog]

Yes Marbury is an expiring that we can have sit, but since he is sitting, why not buy him out for a portion of the 22M instead of paying him the full amount?
I'm not sure how the rules and implications of buying out a player in the NBA works.....maybe someone can explain?

Basically, whatever amount Marbury accepts as a buyout would count as part of the Kings payroll. That is if you can get him to accept less than the $22 million he's currently guaranteed.


Explanation of buyouts:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Yes Marbury is an expiring that we can have sit, but since he is sitting, why not buy him out for a portion of the 22M instead of paying him the full amount?

You have to believe that he'll accept a buyout of his contract. In this case, he can sit on his butt and earn $22M, or he can accept less money, but why? Well, since he clearly would have nothing resembling loyalty to the Kings organization - he's never played for us, never lived in Sac, we just traded for him and we're telling him he's not going to play - he's not going to do it out of the kindness of his heart. The only reason he'd accept a buyout is if he thought he could make up the difference by signing a free agent contract elsewhere.

Even if he finds a suitor who would play him, at this point (after a buyout) his value is pretty rock bottom - he'd probably get something like the vet minimum, and certainly no more than $4M. And if he can't find anything better than $4M, he won't accept a buyout of less than $18M, right?

Basically, we wouldn't be able to save any more than his market value in a buyout. And we wouldn't be able to turn around and trade him at the deadline (assuming something good came up with a team desperately trying to clear cap space for the summer of '09).

So if we're saving only a small amount of money (while losing the ability to make that magical Pau Gasol-type deal), and Marbury is taking a risk that he can just break even, exactly who has incentive to negotiate a buyout?

 

[SacKings7]

I don't know... the Marbury deal seems like a nice rebuilding piece as long as the Kings hold on to Patrick Ewing, Jr.

Patrick Ewing Jr. should NOT be a deal breaker. I like the first deal, the others not so much

 

[NoBonus]

Patrick Ewing Jr. should NOT be a deal breaker. I like the first deal, the others not so much

I am not saying it would be a deal breaker, but if he is just a throw in, why do it?

 

[FakeInjury]

Like the idea, but your being way to subtle trading just SAR/KT/QB93/EWING for Marbury and a 1st. HOW ABOUT Artest/Miller/KT/ and our first round pick in 10' for Marbury/Randolph/(Lee or Danilo) and their second round pick in 09'

 

[Smills91]

I'd be surprised if PE Jr. even made our roster quite frankly.

 

[Gary]

I hate Tyrus Thomas.. Seriously.. Why is he Sacramento Kings fans wet dream? He sucks!!! An undersized PF who can't play SF because he lacks SF skills. The only time Tyrus puts up anything is in Summer Leagues or 1 out of every 10 regular season games where you see him get like 20/9. If he's not averaging that then I don't want him. Which he's not so...... No thanks.

 

[OvechKiN]

I hate Tyrus Thomas.. Seriously.. Why is he Sacramento Kings fans wet dream? He sucks!!! An undersized PF who can't play SF because he lacks SF skills. The only time Tyrus puts up anything is in Summer Leagues or 1 out of every 10 regular season games where you see him get like 20/9. If he's not averaging that then I don't want him. Which he's not so...... No thanks.

If he was 20/9 every game, then Chicago wouldnt even think about that deal.
The point was to dump Millers ~24M salary over the next 2 years, gain a young player that CAN become good and lose a few more games for a higher pick!
Lets be honest, Miller, while pretty good, is not going to be good when the Kings are good.

 

[Gary]

If he was 20/9 every game, then Chicago wouldnt even think about that deal.
The point was to dump Millers ~24M salary over the next 2 years, gain a young player that CAN become good and lose a few more games for a higher pick!
Lets be honest, Miller, while pretty good, is not going to be good when the Kings are good.

I don't want the Kings purposely losing games either even if we shed salary. Unless of course it's KT/SAR. And if we had to throw in Artest/Salmons/Miller then I would be OK with it. But not to get a guy like Starbury who wouldn't even do anything for the Kings. What you were planning on was something no GM/Owner in their right mind would want to do unless they were already crappy (20 win team) which was halfway through a horrible season i.e. Gasol to Lakers trade.


But I just don't like Thomas.. I have been scouting him for years now, and he just isn't any good. He has not really improved on anything, and he was given a chance on a bad Bulls team, and he still hasn't done anything. He is as close to a bust as a bust can be. One more year, and he will earn that label.. If he does improve, and become something then I will be the first to say I am wrong.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

tyrus over jason thompson?? giving up 3 inches and also about 30-40 lbs at the 4 position

 

[bajaden]

I think we keep K. Thomas and find a way to make the trade for Tyrus Thomas. Move quickly and offer a good contract to Kurt Thomas, and then see if there's any way to aquire Tim Thomas. Our goal should be to start five players named Thomas. I think when our starting lineup is read, it will confuse the opposition for at least a quarter or so, trying to figure out which Thomas they're being asked to guard. I think the final peice to the puzzle would be to have the team coached and managed by Isiah Thomas....

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I think we keep K. Thomas and find a way to make the trade for Tyrus Thomas. Move quickly and offer a good contract to Kurt Thomas, and then see if there's any way to aquire Tim Thomas. Our goal should be to start five players named Thomas. I think when our starting lineup is read, it will confuse the opposition for at least a quarter or so, trying to figure out which Thomas they're being asked to guard. I think the final peice to the puzzle would be to have the team coached and managed by Isiah Thomas....

LOL that would be crazy.

 

[Lafayette]

You'd be a DECENT one-sided GM but you stink overall, work for the Clippers, they need somone that can talk the talk but can't get the deal done, lol!

 

[NewMonkey]

I think we keep K. Thomas and find a way to make the trade for Tyrus Thomas. Move quickly and offer a good contract to Kurt Thomas, and then see if there's any way to aquire Tim Thomas. Our goal should be to start five players named Thomas. I think when our starting lineup is read, it will confuse the opposition for at least a quarter or so, trying to figure out which Thomas they're being asked to guard. I think the final peice to the puzzle would be to have the team coached and managed by Isiah Thomas....

Nice!