Trade needed to break up logjam (split)

andremiller07 said:
How was he so much better than Outlaw? I would say Outlaw is a better defender/athlete and shot similar %'s. this whole thing he played 18mpg on Houston is non-sense he was not used once in the playoffs and everytime they played a good team just about he never played, again the only reason he got any playing time was cause Asik was being a baby.
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None of our players were even used in the playoffs last season, EVERYONE SUCKS!!!! Rabble rabble rabble
 
Tetsujin said:
None of our players were even used in the playoffs last season, EVERYONE SUCKS!!!! Rabble rabble rabble
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Beat me to it! Trade Cuz and Rudy! They never played in any REAL games last season!! While we're at it, trade Nik too! Dude hasn't even PLAYED in an NBA game. And he's supposed to be our starting SG??

It's honestly the weirdest thing though as to why Andremiller why Omri has set the Kings back 5 seasons.
 
There HAS to be some money shredding move along the lines somewhere or we are a luxury paying, lottery team. The has to be a move or two in the next few weeks.
 
If a big trade doesn't come before the end of the transfer window, I refuse to watch the Kings at the bottom for another season. New MANAGEMENT!
 
I've softened on the Casspi move now we have Moreland. But I'm still not excited about it.

I can see the thinking behind it, not that I agree honestly.

they desperately desperately need to "balance" the squad ASAP.
 
Albatros said:
I've softened on the Casspi move now we have Moreland. But I'm still not excited about it.

I can see the thinking behind it, not that I agree honestly.

they desperately desperately need to "balance" the squad ASAP.
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Part of the thinking is honestly marketing, and they've openly admitted that.

Personally I have no problem with that. Spots 12-15 on the roster are not really difference makers. But if can have a decent attitude, bring some toughness, and also provide an international connection and open doors or whatever Jewish business connections having Casspi might allow... why the hell not.
 
The Hammer said:
Part of the thinking is honestly marketing, and they've openly admitted that.

Personally I have no problem with that. Spots 12-15 on the roster are not really difference makers. But if can have a decent attitude, bring some toughness, and also provide an international connection and open doors or whatever Jewish business connections having Casspi might allow... why the hell not.
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Where did they admit that? Would like to read it.
 
I'm not concerned about the PF logjam to be frank. The only guys under contract for 2015-2016 are JT and Landry, the rest all expire. Its not going to pain me to see any of these PFs nailed to the bench in 12th man status.
 
The_Jamal said:
Beat me to it! Trade Cuz and Rudy! They never played in any REAL games last season!! While we're at it, trade Nik too! Dude hasn't even PLAYED in an NBA game. And he's supposed to be our starting SG??

It's honestly the weirdest thing though as to why Andremiller why Omri has set the Kings back 5 seasons.
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Where did I say any of that? I think you are confusing me with someone else, I just don't want a dude who has complained about playing time (which he's never actually earnt) in the past on the team. I would be up for trading Rudy but.
 
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Josh Smith is the obvious target.

I have to think that Milwaukee is a potential target as well, with a number of shot blockers and no real post scoring presence other than rookie Parker playing out of position at the 4. Landry would seem to be a good fit there, if only his contract were shorter.

Outside of those two teams, you are looking at headcases (McGee) or unproven prospects (Gobert, Nogueira). I would stand pat with Moreland before picking up any of those, and I am a bigger fan of Gobert than most.

Honestly, I think the bench and the backcourt bench in particular are the biggest issues. JT is a serviceable PF. Cousins was far better on defense by the end of last year. I dont think our starting five will be awful on defense. I do think we are missing a scoring threat off the bench, the role IT played at the beginning of last season. Maybe Ben and Ray will provide that, but I am not holding my breath.
 
Hadlowe said:
Josh Smith is the obvious target.

I have to think that Milwaukee is a potential target as well, with a number of shot blockers and no real post scoring presence other than rookie Parker playing out of position at the 4. Landry would seem to be a good fit there, if only his contract were shorter.

Outside of those two teams, you are looking at headcases (McGee) or unproven prospects (Gobert, Nogueira). I would stand pat with Moreland before picking up any of those, and I am a bigger fan of Gobert than most.

Honestly, I think the bench and the backcourt bench in particular are the biggest issues. JT is a serviceable PF. Cousins was far better on defense by the end of last year. I dont think our starting five will be awful on defense. I do think we are missing a scoring threat off the bench, the role IT played at the beginning of last season. Maybe Ben and Ray will provide that, but I am not holding my breath.
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Again I must point out Landry as the obvious fit for that role. In fact that's basically all he's good for.
 
Bricklayer said:
Again I must point out Landry as the obvious fit for that role. In fact that's basically all he's good for.
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If it's obvious, it means it isn't happening. Look at the past. It's obvious we want a defensive minded team. Trade away one of our better defensive players in tyreke. It's obvious we need a shot blocker. Still waiting, unless u count a undrafted free agent as our savior ( I actually like the Moreland signing but td just an example). We need IT as that back up 6th man. Traded away an not even really courted per Thomas. We use advanced stats to help judge who we pick up. Trade for Rudy gay. Some if these moves work out some might not. I just don't think what's obvious will happen as much as I would like it to.
 
As Brick points out, healthy Landry will actually be quite useful off the bench. A taller IT without the defense or rebounding (I kid, I kid....But seriously, Landry stinks at everything but scoring).

I think we're looking to dump DWill while he still has SOME value as a trade throw in. He is looking pretty bustacular right now though...If his game ever matures and becomes more consistent, it will be for another team. The Spurs could probably make a player of him...Maybe we can trade him for the aging Tim Duncan, I'm sure they'd love to get out from under THAT contract! :p

Its a shame that JT is a malcontent, as I think he is the most useful PF on our roster. He is the best defender of the bunch, has a decent midrange game, 2nd best rebounder (after the board beast that is Reggie Evans), and is the only one with the size to back up Cousins at center. Maybe us trading IT will have him seeing more touches and being happier. More likely PDA ships him off though, as it seems like our FO has been trying to move him since the ownership changed hands.

I'd like us to keep Reggie, maybe even resign him to a cheap deal next summer. He's a lunch pail thug who cleans up the boards. If he isnt playing for you, than you hate his guts. We need guys like that.

In a perfect world....We'd somehow land Ibaka, and get Love to back him up as our 6th man. In a less perfect world....We end up with a rotation of JT/Evans/Moreland. More likely we're going to be throwing out Evans/Landry/Moreland.. Unless PDA gets us Smoove....Which would be interesting to say the least.
 
gunks said:
Its a shame that JT is a malcontent, as I think he is the most useful PF on our roster. He is the best defender of the bunch, has a decent midrange game, 2nd best rebounder (after the board beast that is Reggie Evans), and is the only one with the size to back up Cousins at center. Maybe us trading IT will have him seeing more touches and being happier. More likely PDA ships him off though, as it seems like our FO has been trying to move him since the ownership changed hands.
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JT isn't a malcontent per se. He's a young man who has been part of a losing franchise always in flux. He's seen a complete turnover at every level from owner to GM to coach to sales staff, etc. He's been allowed to develop bad habits by inept coaches. If he wants a change, you cannot blame him. I think he needs to feel as though he has a real place on the team - and that's tough when it seems the front office is trying to corner the market on PFs.

I'd like to see JT on another team for his own good and because I think he's become too used to losing, but that doesn't mean I think he's a malcontent or is any kind of cancer. He's a well-liked young man who does a lot for our community and the kids. And, when he gets the chance and feels like his contribution has any value, he can actually help the team.
 
Do people really think we are still going after Josh Smith? I guess no news is better than a over spill of rumors.
 
Čarolija said:
There HAS to be some money shredding move along the lines somewhere or we are a luxury paying, lottery team. The has to be a move or two in the next few weeks.
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Maybe, but that would be rare. Decent size moves/transactions almost never happen between Aug 1st and training camp.

My guess is we're SOL until the deadline in Feb.
 
andremiller07 said:
How was he so much better than Outlaw? I would say Outlaw is a better defender/athlete and shot similar %'s. this whole thing he played 18mpg on Houston is non-sense he was not used once in the playoffs and everytime they played a good team just about he never played, again the only reason he got any playing time was cause Asik was being a baby.
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Well... if you have really followed the Houston Rockets like I did you would know that at the beginning of the season and actually for most of it Omri Casspi was very decent, significant and essential of the bench for the Rockets, but as the season winded down Casspi simply regressed, I can testify that this issue of regressing in the last part of the season pretty much repeats itself every season, usually Casspi always opens strong but experiencing problems to sustain this trend of consistency, it has also happened to him while he was playing with the Kings and faced the "Rookie Wall".
Casspi was regressing as the season was about to be finished.... and he was struggling to maintain his status on the team and his place on the rotation, Kevin McHale is known for his very fixated basketball method, he was letting only 7-8 people from all his rotation to actually play in the playoff, that's why Casspi and lots of other Rockets players didn't experience a playoff game.

Casspi actually did played against strong NBA teams and usually contributed a lot in those games, for example the 19 points game against LAC, 16 points game against BKN, 15 points game against OKC, 15 points game against POR and I also remember him showcasing his abilities against the Kings and finishing with 20 points and 12 rebounds.

Casspi was playing only because he was able to impress the coaching staff, the twin towers scheme didn't work from the beginning which indicated that Casspi would be given the chance to play as a stretch 4 for the Houston Rockets and if to be honest, in most of the time Casspi was delivering at will.
 
If you go study the 3-point percentages of all the stretch 4's in the league, Casspi's percentage is very good there while also still being a competent rebounder in short stints. As a SF, it's the opposite, good rebounding SF, just an ok 3-point shooter from that position. He's a situational guy. I'm curious to see Cuz surrounded by 4 guys on the court who can knock down the 3 and see what what that looks like.

Casspi is better than DWill....any talk that Casspi doesn't belong in the NBA and should be in the DLeague is ludicrous and said for shock. Casspi at that salary can help the team.
 
For me the Casspi signing only had a negative impact if it meant losing out on Moreland or to a lesser extent Acy. I wanted to see those two guys held onto. Now that it seems like both will be with the Kings I have zero issue with Casspi getting a minimum deal.

I mean, as this thread states there's a need to clear out the roster a bit but I have to imagine there is a trade on the horizon that will do that. A three for one deal or five for two deal. Something along those lines that would thin out the SF and PF spots a bit and give a more logical rotation.

I think the team also needs an end of the bench, third string PG. I'm not sure we want to rely on Stauskas to fill that role.
 
If Thompson isn't traded by the start of the season, I doubt it's because the FO didn't try their hardest to do it. If he does get traded it's going to be interesting what we get back in return. You just get the feeling that his market value is pretty low, maybe in the negative terittory because of his contract.

As I've said for a while now, Landry is going to be key to the bench group. I think they keep Landry. Who else can they reasonably expect to score from the bench on a consistent basis? He's the glue to a number of IFs that are going to be playing in that bench group.

Maybe by mid-season they can unload Williams for his expiring contract.
 
Bricklayer said:
Again I must point out Landry as the obvious fit for that role. In fact that's basically all he's good for.
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The big problem I have with Landry being the scoring weapon off the bench is that he occupies the same space on the floor as Cousins. If you bring him in for Cousins, that is not a huge problem. It gives you a full 48 minutes of scoring threat down low. But you can't bring in Landry and play him with Cousins at the end of games to give your offense a new look.
 
Hadlowe said:
The big problem I have with Landry being the scoring weapon off the bench is that he occupies the same space on the floor as Cousins. If you bring him in for Cousins, that is not a huge problem. It gives you a full 48 minutes of scoring threat down low. But you can't bring in Landry and play him with Cousins at the end of games to give your offense a new look.
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I agree that Landry's ability to provide post offense when Cousins sits will be a big help (whether or not that justifies his contract is another story). Given that so far Cousins hasn't been able to stay on the court more than 32 minutes a game, there's 16 minutes for Landry right there even if you straight platoon them. Of course, hopefully Cousins can stay on the floor longer this season, but I think the Kings can probably get away with playing them together for some stretches, too. Sure, the pairing didn't exactly pan out last time, and I don't want to see it to start or end games, but I think Cousins' shooting and face up game have improved such that if you move him to the high post from time to time when Landry's in, it's not the end of the world.

At this point, though, my guess is that we'll see a line up of Collison/Stauskas/McLemore/Gay/Cousins to finish games.
 
LPKingsFan said:
I agree that Landry's ability to provide post offense when Cousins sits will be a big help (whether or not that justifies his contract is another story). Given that so far Cousins hasn't been able to stay on the court more than 32 minutes a game, there's 16 minutes for Landry right there even if you straight platoon them. Of course, hopefully Cousins can stay on the floor longer this season, but I think the Kings can probably get away with playing them together for some stretches, too. Sure, the pairing didn't exactly pan out last time, and I don't want to see it to start or end games, but I think Cousins' shooting and face up game have improved such that if you move him to the high post from time to time when Landry's in, it's not the end of the world.

At this point, though, my guess is that we'll see a line up of Collison/Stauskas/McLemore/Gay/Cousins to finish games.
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well, you could reasonably interchange cousins and landry at either the low or high post, depending on match-ups. cousins' face up game is certainly becoming a deadly weapon, and it's possible that he and landry could create space together with cousins operating up high. but i only want to encourage demarcus into a lamarcus aldridge style of play so much. that said, i'd rather the kings attempt to make use of landry in the high post when he's on the court with cousins. in landry's last season with golden state, he shot around 44% from 10-20 feet out, and those were largely assisted baskets, so the kings could try and use carl in a "stretch 4" capacity. the game plan just has to be very specific when landry and cousins are in the game simultaneously so that they're not crowding each other out...
 
Padrino said:
well, you could reasonably interchange cousins and landry at either the low or high post, depending on match-ups. cousins' face up game is certainly becoming a deadly weapon, and it's possible that he and landry could create space together with cousins operating up high. but i only want to encourage demarcus into a lamarcus aldridge style of play so much. that said, i'd rather the kings attempt to make use of landry in the high post when he's on the court with cousins. in landry's last season with golden state, he shot around 44% from 10-20 feet out, and those were largely assisted baskets, so the kings could try and use carl in a "stretch 4" capacity. the game plan just has to be very specific when landry and cousins are in the game simultaneously so that they're not crowding each other out...
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Sure, but Landry at GS was also more effective (60%) close to the hoop than Cousins last season (55%). But I agree that both have improved since their last pairing, and if you look at their charts there can be ways to use them together if the staff gets creative.

Cousins 13-14

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=202326#


Landry 12-13

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=201171&Season=2012-13#
 
Keep Acy , Moreland , Evans . Trade Outlaw , JT , Landry , Williams .....and please go get someone else like Josh smith & Rondo ...or even grab eric bledsoe ....but this current unfinished roster stinks... but i still love my kings ....rip pizza guy :)
 
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