Trade KT or SAR ?

[love_them_kings]

Not necessarily. Teams looking for expiring contracts would be more interested in KT because his cap number is much higher than SAR's is.

This may be true if you're nearing the end of a contract, but KT's contract is LONG. I think it goes through 2009 or 2010, so I don't think anyone is going to trade for him now just to get him off the books in 3-4 years.

Despite that, I'd trade KT if we can get something good for him. Or even something decent. He isn't as talented, his attitude is tough, and his contract is long, so I'd take SAR over him any day.

 

[Superman]

?

KT's deal isn't ending -- has 4 years left. Maybe you are thinking of Corliss?

I'm thinking about someone else, not sure who. Sorry.

Never mind.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm thinking about someone else, not sure who. Sorry.

Never mind.

Thought it might be Corliss since he came over in the same trade + has a similar size deal + is ending.

In any case, one of the big subtext issues of the Webber trade was not only getting back the lesser players, but maybe even the harder to move contract.

 

[BMiller52]

Can we trade KT to NJ for Spliff and Mcinnis' expiring contracts?

 

[Troy]

Thought it might be Corliss since he came over in the same trade + has a similar size deal + is ending.

In any case, one of the big subtext issues of the Webber trade was not only getting back the lesser players, but maybe even the harder to move contract.

That really sucks. KTs contract will be very hard to move, he is undersized, doesn't shoot very good, and has an attitude problem.

The one guy that actually did something for us (Skinner) we traded away. Now I can only hope that Monia is any good, as I think that was the guy we wanted. Vitaly plays garbage time and little else. Skinner could of helped us out a lot against the Spurs. We were very close to winning that series and Skinner could of helped us out a lot by his hustle and bashing in the paint.

Was the Webber trade supposed to be for moveable smaller pieces. Man did that backfire. I know we got out of a big contract on a guy that never was the same after his knee injury, but KTs contract sucks and he has the problems mentioned above, Corliss has a 6.5M expiring contract and hopefully Monia surprises us next year, but then again we have KMart and Cisco as out swingmen so it will be tight there as well.

I'm hopefull though of next season, we have some problems, but so do alot of other teams. We definately need shoot blocking and rebounding (ie interior presence as well as a decent PG off the bench), the other stuff will hopefully work out. We need to get a good coach in here and quick to see what we are going to do about Bonzi and trading KT/Miller/Corliss/Hart etc.

 

[VF21]

I know we got out of a big contract on a guy that never was the same after his knee injury...

Check Webber's stats for this season just past.

 

[Troy]

Check Webber's stats for this season just past.

I know, I have to base my responses on more what I see then what I hear. The knee injury did slow him down, but he did have a good year in Philly. I kind of think what we would have been with him here and Artest, and Bonzi.

 

[KevinMartinsGirl23]

Check Webber's stats for this season just past.

His stats might read well, but there is more to a player than stats and I think he is a HUGE defensive liability and doesn't play the same.

 

[VF21]

You're entitled to your opinion. Having Webber last year would have been IMHO an improvement over what we had. His savvy and willingness to put it all out there could have paid huge dividends. Imagine his drive along with Ron Artest and Bonzi.

AND this year Webber will be that tremendously huge expiring contract.

Sorry, but now more than ever the trade makes little to no sense.

 

[JJ22L]

You're entitled to your opinion. Having Webber last year would have been IMHO an improvement over what we had. His savvy and willingness to put it all out there could have paid huge dividends. Imagine his drive along with Ron Artest and Bonzi.

AND this year Webber will be that tremendously huge expiring contract.

Sorry, but now more than ever the trade makes little to no sense.

Hey VF21...aren't you the one always saying the past is the past- whats done is done- water over the bridge- or any other cliche that involves bringing up webber again?

Another thing- you cant determine a players impact on a team by stats...Webber has what 20/10? and his team didnt make the playoffs...artest shoots 40% this season with alot less points and alot less rebounds with more steals- but he brings the intangibles like defense.....VF of all people to not judge a players impact by stats i thought it would be you.

Im not trying to start anything- but this is ridiculous

 

[VF21]

I didn't start the Webber stuff. I was simply responding to Troy's comment. Yes, it's in the past but now, over a year+ later, I think it's fair to judge the trade. My point about the stats was for sake of brevity. I do NOT assess players solely by stats, as you pointed out. Webber's 20/10 AND his court awareness, assists, etc. could have been a big help to us this year, especially with Artest and Bonzi. But, I know the ship has sailed.

Forgive me for one little lapse. I just think it's fairly apparent the trio we got in return for Webber just didn't bring much in the bargain.

It's not about Ron Artest in any way, shape or form. It's about comparing Webber to the three players we received in return for him.

 

[JJ22L]

I didn't start the Webber stuff. I was simply responding to Troy's comment. Yes, it's in the past but now, over a year+ later, I think it's fair to judge the trade. My point about the stats was for sake of brevity. I do NOT assess players solely by stats, as you pointed out. Webber's 20/10 AND his court awareness, assists, etc. could have been a big help to us this year, especially with Artest and Bonzi. But, I know the ship has sailed.

Forgive me for one little lapse. I just think it's fairly apparent the trio we got in return for Webber just didn't bring much in the bargain.

It's not about Ron Artest in any way, shape or form. It's about comparing Webber to the three players we received in return for him.

These are very valid points.

I have to look at is as a Petrie did the best he could scenario and im just an incident bystander that has no idea whats going on behind the scenes.

Because what we got for webber was for a lack of better phrases ...effin ridiculous.

 

[KevinMartinsGirl23]

You're entitled to your opinion. Having Webber last year would have been IMHO an improvement over what we had. His savvy and willingness to put it all out there could have paid huge dividends. Imagine his drive along with Ron Artest and Bonzi.

AND this year Webber will be that tremendously huge expiring contract.

Sorry, but now more than ever the trade makes little to no sense.

I see what you're saying, but at the same time it's easy to say that in hindsight. I am really surprised Webber played in 75 games this year. I think at the time we traded him, it was probably the right thing to do. What if he got hurt again? Granted, he didn't but it was a risk. I still think he's gotten extremely slow since the injuries- which is understandable- and the offense wasn't very smooth anymore with him in it. However, I think Webber (along with Vlade) played a HUGE role in Peja's success in a Kings uniform- both of them were able to give him open looks with their great passing, screens and the fact that they were both offensive threats. I wonder how the "core" would have worked if Webb was still here. But then we wouldn't have Artest perhaps? Ahhh I guess you can play this game all day with the "What If's".

I do agree that it may be harder than we thought to get rid of a player like KT when Webber is clearly superior, but who knows?

 

[JJ22L]

I see what you're saying, but at the same time it's easy to say that in hindsight. I am really surprised Webber played in 75 games this year. I think at the time we traded him, it was probably the right thing to do. What if he got hurt again? Granted, he didn't but it was a risk. I still think he's gotten extremely slow since the injuries- which is understandable- and the offense wasn't very smooth anymore with him in it. However, I think Webber (along with Vlade) played a HUGE role in Peja's success in a Kings uniform- both of them were able to give him open looks with their great passing, screens and the fact that they were both offensive threats. I wonder how the "core" would have worked if Webb was still here. But then we wouldn't have Artest perhaps? Ahhh I guess you can play this game all day with the "What If's".

I do agree that it may be harder than we thought to get rid of a player like KT when Webber is clearly superior, but who knows?

To be honest- i dont see any team that would want a 6'7" pf with a horrible contract.

 

[KevinMartinsGirl23]

To be honest- i dont see any team that would want a 6'7" pf with a horrible contract.

We did!

Plus we have Petrie, that man is a wizard, let's see if he can pull something off...

 

[BMiller52]

Can we trade KT to NJ for Spliff and Mcinnis' expiring contracts?

Anybody?

 

[VF21]

I see what you're saying, but at the same time it's easy to say that in hindsight. I am really surprised Webber played in 75 games this year. I think at the time we traded him, it was probably the right thing to do. What if he got hurt again? Granted, he didn't but it was a risk. I still think he's gotten extremely slow since the injuries- which is understandable- and the offense wasn't very smooth anymore with him in it. However, I think Webber (along with Vlade) played a HUGE role in Peja's success in a Kings uniform- both of them were able to give him open looks with their great passing, screens and the fact that they were both offensive threats. I wonder how the "core" would have worked if Webb was still here. But then we wouldn't have Artest perhaps? Ahhh I guess you can play this game all day with the "What If's".

I do agree that it may be harder than we thought to get rid of a player like KT when Webber is clearly superior, but who knows?

At the time we traded him, there was a vast disagreement among board members. The major split occurred between those who thought he was comletely washed up and those who thought he WOULD, in fact, regain a lot of his former abilities. Being able to put up 20/10 on the same team as Allen Iverson is an accomplishment in and of itself. And he played in 75 games. So, those who thought the trade was good because he wouldn't be able to perform were mistaken, weren't they?

If it was going to be easy to get rid of Kenny Thomas, they would have done it before now. He's an albatross; the only way we move him is in a package deal with someone of real value.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now...

 

[KevinMartinsGirl23]

At the time we traded him, there was a vast disagreement among board members. The major split occurred between those who thought he was comletely washed up and those who thought he WOULD, in fact, regain a lot of his former abilities. Being able to put up 20/10 on the same team as Allen Iverson is an accomplishment in and of itself. And he played in 75 games. So, those who thought the trade was good because he wouldn't be able to perform were mistaken, weren't they?

If it was going to be easy to get rid of Kenny Thomas, they would have done it before now. He's an albatross; the only way we move him is in a package deal with someone of real value.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now...

Hindsight is a wonderful thing... sigh... I agree now looking back that we deserved something more than what we got in return. But I almost think it was worth having KT for the sole reason of watching him absolutely OWN Luke Walton in that OT game against the Lakers in January .

I do agree that Webb's offense and rebounding are still pretty stellar, and I miss his great hands and everything else he adds, but watching him play defense did hurt my eyes this year. Granted, he could have probably supplied more than what we got from his trio, but I think having a once superstar like him on the team changes the dynamics a great deal.

I guess we kind of found some middle ground here, or we can agree to disagree

 

[SacTownKid]

You're entitled to your opinion. Having Webber last year would have been IMHO an improvement over what we had. His savvy and willingness to put it all out there could have paid huge dividends. Imagine his drive along with Ron Artest and Bonzi.

AND this year Webber will be that tremendously huge expiring contract.

Sorry, but now more than ever the trade makes little to no sense.

Actually its next year, and I just don't see what Webber could net in a trade. Expirings of that size could be difficult to work a deal out without getting a bad one in return.

 

[Bricklayer]

Actually its next year, and I just don't see what Webber could net in a trade. Expirings of that size could be difficult to work a deal out without getting a bad one in return.

Yeah...kinda like the one we already got huh?

 

[love_them_kings]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing... sigh... I agree now looking back that we deserved something more than what we got in return. But I almost think it was worth having KT for the sole reason of watching him absolutely OWN Luke Walton in that OT game against the Lakers in January .

I do agree that Webb's offense and rebounding are still pretty stellar, and I miss his great hands and everything else he adds, but watching him play defense did hurt my eyes this year. Granted, he could have probably supplied more than what we got from his trio, but I think having a once superstar like him on the team changes the dynamics a great deal.

I guess we kind of found some middle ground here, or we can agree to disagree

Hindsight is 20/20, but a lot of us here hated that trade from the start. The fact is that Webb was playing well (player of the month) right before he was traded. However, I think that Peja or Webb had to move because of conflict in the locker room.

So, IMHO, they backed the wrong horse. We could have used Webb's skills this year, and Peja provided very little this season. I know what is past is past, that ship has sailed, etc.,etc., but if I could turn back time I would have liked to pull the trigger on the Artest trade sooner, instead of the Webber trade (after Artest's suspension was up though) and let Artest/Webber & Bonzi see what they could do with this team.

 

[love_them_kings]

Yeah...kinda like the one we already got huh?

lol...

 

[sidney]

Can we trade KT to NJ for Spliff and Mcinnis' expiring contracts?

The Nets are actually one team that is far weaker than we are in the PF position and might go for a hustle rebounder like KT that only scores 10 a game. Could be an option if we just want to drop that contract.

Is Spliff Cliff Robinson?

 

[HndsmCelt]

Trade Kenny, Trade SAR, trade em both if you have to to bring in a top prospect big man. Obviously no real deal will go down untill the new coach is named, then the team HAS to fill the void in the front line and decide what to do about Bonzi.

 

[KP]

Said it then and I will say it now. Awful trade, we are still on the hook for a lot of money and tough contracts to move, the Kings will end up in the bottom of the west if we trade Webb... etc. Can you imagine if Artest would have just kept his mouth shut last season and shown even a hint of loyalty to the Pacers? The Kings would be screwed... 14th place... I guess FORESIGHT is 20/20 huh? Anyways, good luck trading K9... he can rebound but do little else consistantly, add in his monster contract and he's going to be tough to move. SAR can score(at times) and is a good value for the money he makes(as a backup) too bad that when it comes to rebounding he makes Peja look like C-Webb(post surgery ). The 4 spot is the biggest hole on this team if we keep Brad, who BTW makes a pretty penny himself.

 

[SacTownKid]

Yeah...kinda like the one we already got huh?

Well, I really don't consider Kenny's deal all that bad. Philly was the ONLY team that would take Webber on, and that was to satisfy AI, and it didn't work, so who knows what they do next season.

We were much better prepared to take on the contract, the Sixers, not so much.

 

[Troy]

Well, I really don't consider Kenny's deal all that bad. Philly was the ONLY team that would take Webber on, and that was to satisfy AI, and it didn't work, so who knows what they do next season.

We were much better prepared to take on the contract, the Sixers, not so much.

Maybe we can trade K9, Corliss back to the 76ers and also send them Hart for Webber, o.k. we'll throw in Vitaly as well (come on that's 4 players for 1). I know we shed a big contract, but we got a bad 1 as well, but not as big. At least Corliss has an expiring deal along with Vitaly so they should be bundled up with K9 to make his contract less sour.

 

[Bricklayer]

Maybe we can trade K9, Corliss back to the 76ers and also send them Hart for Webber, o.k. we'll throw in Vitaly as well (come on that's 4 players for 1). I know we shed a big contract, but we got a bad 1 as well, but not as big. At least Corliss has an expiring deal along with Vitaly so they should be bundled up with K9 to make his contract less sour.

We shed big production -- the damn contract was still with us all season, just sitting on the bench giving us absolutely nothing.

 

[SacTownKid]

I just want to see what Petrie can do with the over 10 million dollars in expiring contracts we have this offseason.