Trade idea w/ Bucks

[LPKingsFan]

saw this on realgm, proposed by a Bucks fan no less...

SAC trades: #23, #31
SAC receives: Luke Ridnour, Joe Alexander, #10

MIL trades: Luke Ridnour, Joe Alexander, #10
MIL receives: #23, #31

Why for the Bucks: They would like to re-sign both Sessions and Villanueva, but their current financial situation makes that difficult. With such a large investment in Redd and Jefferson, they'd rather not wait for a mid lotto pick to pan out. Shedding Ridnour's deal helps them retain their talent and make a playoff push now.

Why for the Kings: They take on Ridnour's contract, but only for a year (conveniently expiring at the same time as KT). Alexander does nothing for me, but could still turn out to be something. #10 is the coup here: it allows you to take Griffin at #1 and take the best point guard on the board at 10, such as Curry, Maynor, Teague or Lawson, getting the rebuild along nicely:

#10/Udrih/Ridnour
Martin/Garcia
Nocioni/Greene/Alexander
Griffin/Thompson/KT
Hawes

 

[pkballr]

Interesting. I mean, even if both don't work, they're both expiring. Essentially the Bucks would be trading us 3 lottery picks for two late 1st round picks. I know they want to shed salary, but I don't know how much they'd want to sacrifice in order to do so. Also, didn't the Kings have some interest in him (and most of us fans were completely relieved that he got drafted so high so Petrie didn't end up picking him up). I'm sure Geoff wouldn't mind giving him a test run, and also relieves him for much of the day during the draft.

 

[AriesMar27]

if we trade beno, okay... if not, no...

 

[Bricklayer]

Hey, what do you know, a rationally thought out Realgm trade. Not sure whether I would do it or not, but somebody actually considered both sides and tried to find a way to make it work. Kudos to them.

Sort of thing I would not do right now, but might try to set up with Milwaulkeee as an option and then sit on it and wait until I saw who was sitting there at #10 before calling them up and giving it the green light (if there was somebody of interest).

 

[Aenadin]

Alexander
Charlie Bell

for

Beno
21
31 pick

would be nice too

 

[pkballr]

The thing is, Milwaukee isn't trying to add salary, so no way would they take on Beno. No one will take on Beno. It would suck to essentially pay $12 million just to have two backup PGs suck it out off the bench.

 

[LPKingsFan]

The thing is, Milwaukee isn't trying to add salary, so no way would they take on Beno. No one will take on Beno. It would suck to essentially pay $12 million just to have two backup PGs suck it out off the bench.

Why? We paid $20 million for three crummy backup PFs stinking it up off the bench this year. Ridnour is an expiring, people, we can stash him on the IR with Kenny for all I care. All this does is put off the cap space for another year while landing the Kings another lotto pick.

Now, I'll agree w/ Brick that it depends on who's there at #10. But dismissing the idea out of hand because of Ridnour's deal loses sight of the big picture. You still have the 2010 cap space, or the nifty package of Rindour and KT's expirings to go after a disgruntled star.

 

[Smills91]

RJ/Alexander/Elson/Ridnour/3 million cash

for

Noc/Beno+Cap space

Looks a LOT better to me than a late lotto pick.

It accomplishes the same goal for Milwaukee to allow them to re-sign Sessions and CV. Fills out our roster for next year, and upgrades our SF position while giving us cap flexibility in the 2011 off-season which is 2 years sooner than Beno and 1 year sooner from Nocioni.

 

[TheRaven]

Why? We paid $20 million for three crummy backup PFs stinking it up off the bench this year. Ridnour is an expiring, people, we can stash him on the IR with Kenny for all I care. All this does is put off the cap space for another year while landing the Kings another lotto pick.

Now, I'll agree w/ Brick that it depends on who's there at #10. But dismissing the idea out of hand because of Ridnour's deal loses sight of the big picture. You still have the 2010 cap space, or the nifty package of Rindour and KT's expirings to go after a disgruntled star.

Huh? Why did you quote pkballr? He was disagreeing with the guy that proposed trading Beno to Milwaukee because they are trying to cut salary, not add to it.

I actually think the deal posted in the OP is a good idea to investigate. If that cuts enough Salary for them to keep both Villanueva and Sessions, they would have to seriously consider it. I am sure they would rather go with the young proven options than roll the dice at 10, while we could use that pick no matter who we take at #1-3. If we go after a PG like Rubio with the early pick, you can go for a swing guard that can play defense with the next. If you go Griffin with the early pick, you can pick up a good prospect at PG in Lawson / Holliday / Teague.

 

[kingsnation]

saw this on realgm, proposed by a Bucks fan no less...

SAC trades: #23, #31
SAC receives: Luke Ridnour, Joe Alexander, #10

MIL trades: Luke Ridnour, Joe Alexander, #10
MIL receives: #23, #31

I agree with Brick, this is actually a very well put together, well thought out trade.

Idk if we should do it, it is very interesting though. I'm not sure Alexander would develop here any more than he has there since we really have done a poor job developing those type of players in the past (Gerald, Donte..) but I think he could be worth a look.

The only thing that would need to be determined is the value of the 10 pick compared to 23 & 31. In a draft like this - would it more beneficial to get 2 late picks than one mid lotto? It depends on who is available at 10, I guess.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I'd do it.

 

[Amory]

I would do it.

Ridnour and Alexander can be gone at the end of the year if we don't want them, so not much of a loss.

 

[sidney]

When does the NBA year flip and our cap space start? I thought it was after the draft, not before. I really am not sure though.

If it is, we can't take on more salary than we send back until those picks are already selected.

 

[Kings Faithful]

I agree with Brick, this is actually a very well put together, well thought out trade.

Idk if we should do it, it is very interesting though. I'm not sure Alexander would develop here any more than he has there since we really have done a poor job developing those type of players in the past (Gerald, Donte..) but I think he could be worth a look.

The only thing that would need to be determined is the value of the 10 pick compared to 23 & 31. In a draft like this - would it more beneficial to get 2 late picks than one mid lotto? It depends on who is available at 10, I guess.

Well Gerald was a product of being benched because of the talent on the team, and Greene doesn't want to do anything else but pull up jumpers...most of all I think it has to do more with maturity than it does the Kings developing skills... I think we could develop them just fine if our team had the patience to keep them around a few extra years. No matter how much we coach them its all for naught until the players really want to learn.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Huh? Why did you quote pkballr? He was disagreeing with the guy that proposed trading Beno to Milwaukee because they are trying to cut salary, not add to it.

Whoops, thought pkballr was suggesting that it would suck for Sacramento to have both Beno and Ridnour. I totally agree that the Bucks would balk if we tried to send Beno back their direction. Sorry, pkballr!

 

[Capt. Factorial]

When does the NBA year flip and our cap space start? I thought it was after the draft, not before. I really am not sure though.

If it is, we can't take on more salary than we send back until those picks are already selected.

I think it doesn't switch over until July 1, so you're right.

 

[LPKingsFan]

When does the NBA year flip and our cap space start? I thought it was after the draft, not before. I really am not sure though.

If it is, we can't take on more salary than we send back until those picks are already selected.

A good point, but I think these deals have been done before, being agreed upon on draft night but not fully consummated until July 1.

 

[hammystyle]

Frankly, I think very lowly of Alexander and I'd do that trade without him. He might turn into something, but he just seemed like a bust-pick at the time and even more so now. #23/#31 for #10 and Ridnour.

 

[HighTopKicks]

A good point, but I think these deals have been done before, being agreed upon on draft night but not fully consummated until July 1.

Bucks pick our guy at 10 ,& we pick their guys at 23 & 31. As long as none of the draft picks sign a contract, they still have $0 trade value. So, we wait until after the new salary caps are decided on and then swap picks or players, however you want to say it.

 

[beb0p]

Agreed, the trade is very well thought out. It seems to benefit both sides.

I'll do it because Alexander is still oozing with potential (even if he was overrated a bit last summer) . I still think he's a more athletic Eric Williams, not a star, but a good role player. Plus, Alexander is at least as good a prospect as (and probably better than) anyone you pick at #23.

The #10 pick will relieve the pressure on Petrie to draft a PG with our top pick. I do think our GM is more likely to pick the BPAWABM (Best Player Available who happens to be a Big Man) if he has the #10 to fall back on a PG.

Imagine coming away with a (Blake/Thabeet) and (Flynn/Evans/Jennings/Lawson/Teague) from the draft. The team's future lineup is pretty much set.

However, if we have the #2 and #10, it seems not such a good scenario in a PG top-heavy draft. You take Rubio with the #2 and the BPA at #10 is likely another PG.

But at the end of the day, if taking on Ridnour for 1 year nets a #10 pick, I'll do it. Plus, with Ridnour on the roster, I don't have to worry that GP will sign some scrub for the MLE. I'm getting ahead of myself, but if the team exceeds expectation, Luke and KT combines for a very good expiring to net an unwanted star player. Big if, but you never know.

 

[bajaden]

I think it doesn't switch over until July 1, so you're right.

I think that cap space doesn't become available until the new cap has been set. I seem to remember one year where teams were allowed to start negotiating with players but it was another two weeks before the league established what the cap was for that year. So teams had to wait to sign players that had already agreed to a deal.

 

[pkballr]

No problem. Sometimes I say stuff that would confuse myself as well.

 

[VF21]

saw this on realgm, proposed by a Bucks fan no less...

SAC trades: #23, #31
SAC receives: Luke Ridnour, Joe Alexander, #10

MIL trades: Luke Ridnour, Joe Alexander, #10
MIL receives: #23, #31

Why for the Bucks: They would like to re-sign both Sessions and Villanueva, but their current financial situation makes that difficult. With such a large investment in Redd and Jefferson, they'd rather not wait for a mid lotto pick to pan out. Shedding Ridnour's deal helps them retain their talent and make a playoff push now.

Why for the Kings: They take on Ridnour's contract, but only for a year (conveniently expiring at the same time as KT). Alexander does nothing for me, but could still turn out to be something. #10 is the coup here: it allows you to take Griffin at #1 and take the best point guard on the board at 10, such as Curry, Maynor, Teague or Lawson, getting the rebuild along nicely:

#10/Udrih/Ridnour
Martin/Garcia
Nocioni/Greene/Alexander
Griffin/Thompson/KT
Hawes

I have to admit to passing on making any comment on this at first for one simple reason. I glanced at it and thought it meant someone wanted to trade Kevin Martin (#23) and Spencer Hawes (#31) and I couldn't imagine why people were actually agreeing with it for such a dearth of talent in return...



Since I took a GOOD look at it, however, and realized it meant draft picks, I'm much more inclined to agree with Bricklayer. It's actually a pretty well thought out trade proposal - and this is coming from someone who generally hates trade proposals.

 

[DoDiGaG0]

id do it in a second, doubt Mil would accept though..

Joe Alexsandar is an athletic freak with a huge upside, nobody expected him to produce this year, so don't write him off because he didn't put up good numbers. The minutes he played he shows some flashes.

Ridnour is basically useless , slightly better version of Beno and a dead contract.......

 

[MANoICE]

Do It...

I would make that move in a heartbeat. More expiring $$ for next year or tradeable expiring $$ for this year. An inexpensive assest to test or trade in alexander and a better chance to land the PG of the future at #10.

BUT...It looks like those two (Ridenour & Alexander) make about 9 mil. combined and if I understand it correctly the kings only have about 6-7 mil. in cap space if they renounce all FA's and Trade exemptions. Depending on that exact number (would have to be about 6.7 or more) it might not work. I am far from familiar with the $$ situation or the CBA, but it could be another sticking point.