Yoda said:
And the Sixers are tearin' it up?
I posted this in another thread, but I think it bears repeating:
-The Sixer's are 8-10
-CWebb shooting .426 from the field
-I guessing he insn't playing defense
-I also going to go out on a limb and say he won't play over 60 games this year (his average games played over the last 5 years is 56.2)
I think in hindsight we should've gotten more for Webber, but come on, it's not like he and the Sixers are dominating.
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grandmastapoop
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schaffeb said:
I think that's the issue. I miss Webber, but I could accept a trade if we got some young, promising players. The Sixers wouldn't give up Iggy or Korver, but how did we not get Dalembert? At least with him you get some blocked shots, athleticism, and best of all...some potential to grow into.
LPKingsFan
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Kings113 said:It's TDS for most people, it seems.
If you're not contending, why not?
Yoda said:
Actually, there is NO WAY to judge that at this point. Webber hasn't either played or not played through the end of his contract. He could go down tomorrow with a season/career-ending injury or he could play another 3 years the way he is. The players we got in return are sitting on the bench (when some really feel they could help us out). That is a choice by the coach and not necessarily an indicator that the players cannot play and help us win. We still have to see if any of these pieces will be moved to bring us more talent as well. It hasn't even been a year yet, people, and we're speaking in absolutes. WE DON'T KNOW, AND WILL NOT KNOW, AND CANNOT KNOW at this point.
Please, give it a rest.
Yoda
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If we trade for KG tommorrow who is to say he wont have a career ending injury before the conclusion of the contract. I dont be the lets wait and see argument. What I see now is a bad basketball team, which came about almost directly from a bad trade.Warhawk said:
Im sorry if some find this conversation intriguing, but until this team becomes a winner again it is hard to "give it a rest" since when you look at the beginning of this lean time in Kings history, it started with that trade.
Yoda said:
The Kings were also playing some of their best basketball when Webber was injured on the bench and Peja was looking like an All-Star candidate. The team also didn't play well when he returned (and he was skipping practices and games) - in fact he was the one who was boo'd first for his play. What's your point?
mcsluggo
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nbrans said:
hell, plenty of people here still haven't gotten over frickin Ralph Sampson... And why should they. A sucky move is a sucky move is a sucky move. And in the NBA the fact of the matter is that a sucky move takes YEARS to rectify. Washington MAY have finally recovered from the maroon move of trading Webber for Mitch Richmond this year. Maybe.
Trading Webber for overpaid long term fodder sucked. AND we'll get the benefit of retasting that suck for quite a time to come. Yummy.
KP
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Some people on this board are SO DELUSIONAL. The Kings are a very bad team right now and have been since trading Webber. They couldn't move any of those "very tradeable" pieces in the offseason and the players that we got in that trade have only hurt their trade value since then with their weak-*** play. The percieved weaknesses of Webbers game(interior defense, and rebounding due to lack of speed) have both gotten worse since the trade. We can't get a rebound or make a stop to save our lives, and our offense has completely broken down. Many of us on this board told you this would happen, and now it is, what a surprise 
! Lets face it, we are a bad team now... not even average at this point... and there has been no indication either after the trade last year or since the season started this year to think that's going to change. Mike was a better player when Webb was here, Brad was a better player when Webb was here, Peja was a better player when Webb was here, and the Kings were a much better team when Webb was here. Not to mention that every game he plays Webb gets closer to the final year of his contract when he will become very valueable as a trade piece or an expiring contract. Petrie got burned, there is no way around it.
! Lets face it, we are a bad team now... not even average at this point... and there has been no indication either after the trade last year or since the season started this year to think that's going to change. Mike was a better player when Webb was here, Brad was a better player when Webb was here, Peja was a better player when Webb was here, and the Kings were a much better team when Webb was here. Not to mention that every game he plays Webb gets closer to the final year of his contract when he will become very valueable as a trade piece or an expiring contract. Petrie got burned, there is no way around it.
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Lurknomo
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Just as it's early in the kings season, and things aren't exactly totally cool here, it's early in the sixer's season and c webb is missing a practice 18 games in. Wait until he misses the backend of a back to back, or two , and some more practice time, and who knows maybe we win a few in a row. It's too early to really know, but webber cannot defend a ref, let alone a PF in this league. I do wish Corliss and Skinner would get more time. A long season awaits...
kingsfan916
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Webber back?! Lol. NO WAY!
KP said:Some people on this board are SO DELUSIONAL. The Kings are a very bad team right now and have been since trading Webber. They couldn't move any of those "very tradeable" pieces in the offseason and the players that we got in that trade have only hurt their trade value since then with their weak-*** play. The percieved weaknesses of Webbers game(interior defense, and rebounding due to lack of speed) have both gotten worse since the trade. We can't get a rebound or make a stop to save our lives, and our offense has completely broken down. Many of us on this board told you this would happen, and now it is, what a surprise
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G_M
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KP-KP said:Some people on this board are SO DELUSIONAL. The Kings are a very bad team right now and have been since trading Webber. They couldn't move any of those "very tradeable" pieces in the offseason and the players that we got in that trade have only hurt their trade value since then with their weak-*** play. The percieved weaknesses of Webbers game(interior defense, and rebounding due to lack of speed) have both gotten worse since the trade. We can't get a rebound or make a stop to save our lives, and our offense has completely broken down. Many of us on this board told you this would happen, and now it is, what a surprise
If you want Webber back I think we can get him pretty cheap about right now. Philly fan is ready to give him away for a large gatorade. Maybe we can send the "tradeable" pieces back and pretend like it never happened.
KP
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I could care less about Philly, All I care about is the Kings and we suck right now. I'd take him back in a heartbeat. Philly was sub .500 team before Webb got there, they aren't going to win a championship any time soon, but they just might win their division... they're a better team now.G_M said:KP-
If you want Webber back I think we can get him pretty cheap about right now. Philly fan is ready to give him away for a large gatorade. Maybe we can send the "tradeable" pieces back and pretend like it never happened.
Didn't you say the Kings were going to be a better team after the trade GM?
-You sure know your Kings.
G_M
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KP said:
Actually, I NEVER said that. What I said is that the cornerstone of your franchise and a player consuming 20% of your salary cap, can't be a defensive liability, who can't practice with the team, and is destined to fail physically.
Petries inablity to move the "pieces" or make additional moves does not take away from what I believe was a necessary first step in rebuilding the franchise. I NEVER thought this roster would contend for anything more than an early exit playoff slot.
Honestly I did believe this team would be better than it is now but that's not saying much!
love_them_kings
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grandmastapoop said:
I like it! Actually, I love it!
But, the 76ers would do that because?????
Sadly, I think their GM is smarter than that.
love_them_kings
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Warhawk said:
do you honestly think we'd be playing WORSE than we are if we had him instead of the 3 we got in return?
GoGoGadget
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grandmastapoop said:
It sure is. No one would be stupid enough to make that deal.
love_them_kings
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schaffeb said:
the 76ers weren't any good last year either, and I'm more worried about OUR team. Really could care less about how they do, except I like to see Webb do well.
Let's review -
Webb is shooting 42.6% from the field, pulling down 10.3 rebounds a game, playing marginal defense, and averaging 19.7 points/game.
Peja is shooting 40.6% from the field, and pulling down 4.3 rebounds a game, playing marginal defense and averaging 17.5 pts/game.
Bibby is shooting 45.3% from the field, pulling down 2.7 rebounds a game, playing NO defense, and averaging 18.4 pts/game.
So, it looks like Webb could argueably be the best contributor of our core.
Now should we compare him to the stats of the three players we actually traded him for??? Don't make me laugh.
Besides the stats, Webb added a passion and desire to win that this team could use right about now. He also made the players around him better. You think Bibby's numbers would be worse if Webb was still here? Doubt it.
Wanting to get rid of Webb is one thing, trading him for nothing is quite another. Watching this team play & saying that this trade made the team better is just ridiculous.
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Fillmoe
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kingsfan52miller said:
i was pretty mad at the time
