BibityBobtyBoom
Bench
i wish we would sign doug christie since he is a free agent.
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Fillmoe
Guest
BibityBobtyBoom said:
he retired... i think...
Oh geez, Webber misses a bare minimum of a quarter of every season. He has no lateral movement and his performance will deteriorate with the condition of his knee. If that guy plays 80 games, I will buy every single person on this thread a beer. (Not a huge risk on my part). Webber's career is on the cusp of ending every time he steps on the court and the Sixers are still on the hook to the tune of $40 million. Yeah, we stink, but the idea that Chris Webber is going to be healthy and produce is silly.
love_them_kings
Starter
NewMonkey said:
80 games a season or 80 games total?
Yoda said:
And that's RA's decision, not the players. Personally, I think Skinner and Corliss should be getting minutes.
Same goes for the game stats. Easy to pick on the former 6th man of the year who can score at a pretty good clip but is sitting on the bench because of "matchups". Whatever. Apparently, we aren't "matching up" so well with Peja on the floor, why don't we give someone else (Nasty) a chance? I bet he wouldn't let LBJ waltz to the basket so easily. And if Miller isn't cutting it in the game, put in Skinner for some rebounds and putbacks and blocks. At this point, what could it hurt?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
NewMonkey said:
Been healthy? Check
Producing? Check.
Tick tock.
Mentioned before that all Webb has to do is produce up until the end of next year, and he all of a sudden becomes an incredibly valuable trade piece (with a giant ending contract). We're about 1/4 of the way into any possible "advantage" time we would theoretically gain with the Philly trio and their contracts, and so far advantage decisively to Webber. I'm still unclear on who precisely pulled the trigger on the Webber deal -- Petrie or the Maloofs (most likely Joe if it was the latter) -- but whoever it was is running out of time to prove it was anything but an amateurish blunder. The fact all three of the Philly players survived the summer in Kings uniforms is enough in and of itself to show that there have been some fundamental miscalculations made in the front office of late. Looked great 3,4,5 years ago, but I am gradually being reminded that the last time Geoff was entrusted to oversee the rebuilding of a franchise, he got his (and Rick's) *** fired in Portland.
NewMonkey said:
I don't really have anything new to contribute here, but I just wanted to join the thread and lay claim to my free beer from NewMonkey, just in case CWebb transforms into an iron man.
Actually, I'm in the camp of we'd be a much better team if we did the rescinding trade thing-y. That trade started our misery, and at the rate we're going, it will continue to its effects for quite some time...perhaps years. (plural intended)
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
schaffeb said:
I am not, and was not, a Blazers fan, so this is only an outsider's perspective who was watching bball at that time.
But basically their little miini-dynasty back then was built much like ours was more recently -- headed by a second rate superstar with softness acusations, and then by having more depth than anybody else. And then they simply got old. No magic to it. Their defensive/hustle specilaist (Buck Williams (Doug) got old, their superstar started aging and developed creaky knees (Drexler/Webber). They even had on hand a clutch shooting PG (Porter/Bibby) an outside shooting non-rebounding non-blocking big man (Duckworth), a softy shooting SF with clutch issues (Cliff Robinson/Peja) an aging but feisty 6th man (Ainge/BJax), and even a young swingman with huge potential who just got squished for minutes and was shipped out to star with another team (Drazen/maybe Wallace or Hedo). But age caught up with them, and their young (at the time) GM was accused of not doing enough to reverse things and of just "overseeing the decay of the franchise". The accusation being that he was not the one who had brought in most of the pieces in the mid to late 80's, he'd just taken over to sit on his hands and watch as the team slowly slid backward.
1) you can completely see that in Petrie's demeanor -- his patience perhaps being a double-edged sword. Perfect for a GM of a team at the top -- never panics, does not disrupt. But maybe not ballsy and aggressive enough for a GM who should be aggressively tearing down and rebuilding. Maybe. Or maybe just not flashy enough to placate those who want to see and feel the rebirth of the franchise.
2) One difference, and I wondered about this when Webber was traded, was that in Portland Geoff did NOT trade Drexler. He got fired the summer before the season when Clyde was traded midseason to Houston to get his ring. Wondered when Webb was shipped out if it was Geoff's idea, and if it was, if it was a reaction to the Drexler thing -- i.e., I did not ship out my aging superstar last time, and they fired me for it, so I won't make that mistake again and will do it this time. (of course difference being that the Maloofs love him wheras there were some real issues with the owners or otehr management in Portland at the time).
Either way, before '99 Geoff was actually not that highly regarded as a GM -- I think the best way to describe it is that IMO Geoff was thought of as an accountant amongst GMs. Smart, detail oriented, boring, and unexceptional. Lacking in spark or imagination. The aside there would be that part of what made the revival in '99 work were moves that he had been making for several years beforehand that looked shaky at the time, but eventually bore fruit, so there is the chance the impression may have been false and based on insufficicent data.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
NewMonkey said:He wasn't healthy and didn't produce after the trade last year. It's still really, really early in the season. You want to put some money on this? Maybe a having to upload a picture of oneself in a Kobe jersey on the forum?
I do not ever bet (well, except for the one time I bet a girl a kiss that I could beat her at beerpong back in college
) and I cannot even imagine why a remote 3rd party would bet either way on a professional athlete's health. I am dealing in pure, unadulterated, staring us right in the face, fact. Those facts may change in the future. They may not. Its nothing but sheer speculation. So far, we look like fools. Only further, aggressive, action on our part, or sheer luck (if calling another man's ill health "luck") can prevent that impression from becoming the permanent image forever attached to that trade. Petrie is no God. He's just a man as imminently fallable as anybody else. And here he may have screwed up, and in a big way unless he gets his *** in gear to correct things.
