Trade: Christie for Mobley (MERGED)

[Big Cuz 15]

Word is that Mobley will start, effective stepping right in to DC's shoes. So, in that respect at least, I don't know how much of an effect it will have on Evans/Martin's minutes.

Want to know what Orlando is thinking? Check out their fan boards for their perspective. They're pretty much accusing Petrie of using illegal tactics, up to and including blackmail, to pull off this deal...

LOL vf21
blackmail god thats hilarious

 

[twocents]

bad trade for the kings. sure, dc is not the player he has been, and it would have been nice to use him in a "good" trade, but getting mobley is not that trade. i have been lurking into the magic forums (to see how hedo is doing in the eyes of the fans) and people there have been complaining about mobley "sans cesse". mostly because of his 1-dimensional playing: only shoots, if he hits them, great; if not, not much else on the table.

now given the kings' weak points (defense, rebounding), mobley is definitely not a good fit. that he is a good or even decent defensive player is a myth. he feels like playing only if he hits his shots. a good defensive player defends no matter what he does on the other end of the court. whatismore he rarely gives up the ball once he gets it. sure he can create off the dribble, but he does not have to create to jack his shots up.

i don't see how peja and mobley can remain together for a long time (months). either mobley will be used as a bait to get some other player, or the unthinkable will occur and peja will be traded for an athletic, defensive (a la dc of, say '00) sf.

this is one of those trades which seem dubious for both of the teams involved. the funny thing is if magic or kings were to trade players, it would be mobley or dc respectively. it is just that, swapping them does not seem to help either team.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I disagree. Petrie made the Barry for Cleeves trade purely for salary concerns. It wasn't a move to make the Kings better. I think this trade is also a salary move as well as a Bobby Jackson stop gap.

What does Mobley provide that the Kings need besides some athleticism at the wrong position? The Kings already have young guys like Evans and Martin for athletic guards, what they needed was athleticism at the forward and center. They don't need more shooting and turnovers, which is something Mobley specializes in.

To me, they gave up the wrong player for the wrong type of player. That's why I think they let Mobley walk after the season. It's a matter of having overpaid for Bibby and Webber and needing to cut the fat somewhere. This doesn't put the Kings any closer to a championship if you look at what has cost the team wins in the playoffs.

UHHHHHH petrie did the barry deal cuz hedo looked very promising in the playoffs (and salary cap reasons). do you even remember that? hedo busted a three at the end of the game in the loss to the lakers. all the sportscasters were raving at hedo saying petrie made another steal picking up a "peja"

kings have 2 athlethic 2 guards in martin/evans but they're unproven unlike mobley. mobley has some experience in the league where as martin/evans don't. don't be so pessimistic about this trade swisshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i'm pretty sure your gonna be on this board in about 2 weeks raving about mobley's skizzilllss

 

[sloter]

goodbye Doug... at least we're getting a shooting guard that can shoot. I actually like this trade.

 

[twocents]

by the way, i also think mobley is in the top "brain-dead" list, as brick so eloquently put.

 

[Alacron]

I'm in no position to question Petrie's expertise, but here are my concerns:

1. Although Doug may have lost a step (due to his current foot problem?), he remains a fantastic defender, especially against smaller players like point guards.

2. Doug was a team leader, and Webber especially loves him. Will this hurt our chemistry?

3. On the court, Doug looked for Peja more than anyone. Can Peja demand (and get) the shots he needs?

4. Doug leaves it all on the court every night, and still manages to be our most durable player. #13 will never suit up in a Kings uni again.

On the other hand, I'm looking forward to:

1. Our offense being downright scary.

2. Doug getting to play with Grant Hill and being reunited with Hedo.

3. A younger and more athletic team.

4. Cat's defense. I think we'll be pleasantly surprised.

I'm still in mourning, but a few months from now we'll probably all be amazed that Geoff pulled yet another fast one.
~~

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Random thought:

Do you think we could get Kevin to shave his head to help ease the pain?

your disgusting
what next? have kmart raise his hand up after every play?

 

[ovrush]

Whew... long thread to catch up on.

I think once this trade starts to sink in and the emotion gets pulled from it it will be considered another Petrie steal. I love Doug Christie, and his versatility, fire, and defensive intensity. The fact is though, we just got a younger guy who can flat out score and is a lot more athletic. It will be interesting to see how Mobely fits in with the Kings. I know he has a history of making dumb decisions and taking bad shots but he has always run with Steve Francis in create your own shot type of systems. I kinda think he's gonna see a TON more open looks with the Kings and hopefully will not feel the need to create his own shots (or take stupid ones which he creates poorly).

On the effects to Peja: Everyone seems to think this will negatively effect Peja, but I think we see Peja's offense become more efficient. Christie's horrible shooting this year may have let some defenses sag in the lanes that Peja normally darts through for his backdoor cuts. I'm thinking there's an off chance that this keeps those lanes open and makes the Kings off ball movement more effective.

Also, I think that there will be another move coming. Although Mobely is more athletic than Doug I've always thought of him as more a shooter than a slasher. Could this be a way to render our sharp shooting yet disgruntled SF expendable from outside to land a talented slashing 3? OR could Bobby be on the way out since Mobely can play 1 and two and is the perfect tweener guard to be the sixth man off the bench? Just a couple thoughts that crossed my mind.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I know, I know, it is a bussiness. But this organization should show more loyalty to the players that got them where they are at know. Vlade gone, Doug gone. Man, Im pissed right now.

well if your a wise business person, you know when to cut your losses
how cool would it be if we resigned vlade instead of tag and have vlade on the bench/injured reserve because of his back problem. ppl would be screaming for petrie to sign another big man... sigh can't win with these ppl

 

[Big Cuz 15]

You know, I just don't get it. Why would we trade Christie for a player we'll only have 6 months? I posted about this before, based on my own gut feeling that Mobley will not exercise his option, and I just heard on ESPN that the reason the Magic traded him was because he had already told him he would not exercise his option because he wants more money. So, my honest question is, what good does it do to have a player for 6 months? Is GP thinking we're going to make a championship run with him? Or is he really thinking a short term fix and hoping to clear salary cap room for the future?

1) shorter contract
2) youth, skill and athleticism
3) tradeable commodity (if he wants the big bucks he's going to ask for a sign and trade UNLESS someone that is under the cap is willing to show him the $$ like the clips -- which wont happen)
4) shake up the roster

 

[PejaFanatic]

I was in the middle of watching the Bachelorette when I heard the news from News 10 that one of the starters has been traded. I was stocked.

I was not fond of Mobley's game when he played for the Houston.

High numbers of TOs plus he is a ballhogger. Shoot first and pass.......sometime.

Hopefully he plays within the Kings system and don't try to do too much.

 

[KingKong]

One thing is that Christie steps up in the playoffs, especially when someone is down with an injury. Last year, Christie and Webber were the main cogs in our playoff run. Mobely's ability to step up in the playoffs remains to be seen.

 

[Since93]

One thing is that Christie steps up in the playoffs, especially when someone is down with an injury. Last year, Christie and Webber were the main cogs in our playoff run. Mobely's ability to step up in the playoffs remains to be seen.

Well said.

Mobely is always an afterthought in his teams. But he will be our 3rd or 4th option anyway, right?

 

[Bricklayer]

Also, I think that there will be another move coming. Although Mobely is more athletic than Doug I've always thought of him as more a shooter than a slasher. Could this be a way to render our sharp shooting yet disgruntled SF expendable from outside to land a talented slashing 3? OR could Bobby be on the way out since Mobely can play 1 and two and is the perfect tweener guard to be the sixth man off the bench? Just a couple thoughts that crossed my mind.

I've had the same thoughts and it makes some sense, but it would be kind of out of character for Geoff. He's a precision trader -- one move at a time, nicely timed, while maintaining overall continuity as a rule. Big splashy team changes are fun on paper but Geoff has never really done them. Even the turning point year when we suddenly got good, the only major trade was Webb for Mitch, (Vlade was a FA, Bibby/JWill draft picks).

 

[HndsmCelt]

I seriously doubt if GP is going to make another trde involving starters, heck I would not be supprised if this deal came together out of left field in just a few hours and was from Petrie's perspective too good not to do. The point being despite the last road trip this was a very successfull high preforming core not the kind of thing you just start messing with willy nilly.

The trade compleetly changes how other team gaurd the weak side and restores the 5 scoring threats offense that made the Kings the match up nightmare they were 3-4 years ago. For folks concerned about defense remember how Pedja has beeen playing and what Mo Evans brings to the floor. Like I said in my earlier post I paln to wait and see how Mobely fits into the team before I pass judgment, but this could be a good thing for the Kings.

 

[RaY Z]

I was in the middle of watching the Bachelorette when I heard the news from News 10 that one of the starters has been traded. I was stocked.

I was not fond of Mobley's game when he played for the Houston.

High numbers of TOs plus he is a ballhogger. Shoot first and pass.......sometime.

Hopefully he plays within the Kings system and don't try to do too much.

im sure he will you should check out dougs stats in his early days... didnt pass that well... but since joining sac his assists stats have been consistently high... i think the kings system (as of now of course) has made players here better passers... plus mobley played the point at rhode island and he actually had good passing ability... on hearing the news i was extremely shocked and was extremely sadenned but i saw positives on this trade when i got pass my emotions (which i havnt really yet)... i think mobley will fit in the kings just fine as long as he has passing abilities which he does have, which is a must if you play with the kings....

 

[TheSerbianQueen]

This trade was an absolute shock to me (when I found out last night). something I didn't expect at all....... I love Doug, and not seeing him in Kings uniform is going to be so strange - I am used to him!!! And I loved his heart and passion for the team and the game........
However, I also have a feeling that Doug's health is on its way down and that is most likely the reason this trade happened. Doug is just not (healthwise) in the position right now to be anywhere near 100% for the playoffs - yes, I know playoffs are months away, but his foot is just getting worse.....
You will be truly missed DOUG and I wish you the best of luck!!

 

[AleksandarN]

I've had the same thoughts and it makes some sense, but it would be kind of out of character for Geoff. He's a precision trader -- one move at a time, nicely timed, while maintaining overall continuity as a rule. Big splashy team changes are fun on paper but Geoff has never really done them. Even the turning point year when we suddenly got good, the only major trade was Webb for Mitch, (Vlade was a FA, JWill/Peja draft picks).

Brick you forgot to mention our biggest trade at that time with the magic aswell you remember Nick Anderson

 

[Bricklayer]

Brick you forgot to mention our biggest trade at that time with the magic aswell you remember Nick Anderson

Actually that came in Yr 2 of our revival ('00).

Not the best of years for Geoff -- there is a reason he won GM of the Year in '99 and '01 but skipped '00.


P.S. Oops! Sorry Alexander -- I went in to edit my own post and accidentally clicked yours (hence the last edited by note at the bottom of your post). Nothing was changed though, sorry.

 

[Rockmeister]

i know WE ARE ALL SAD that doug is gone but all those Trade rumors we posted here no one can tell me that you would not trade Doug for mobly

Well Mobley wasn't the first player I would have thought of to Doug for.

 

[Bricklayer]

Well Mobley wasn't the first player I would have thought of to Doug for.

No, this is true. But realistically there is no way I would have thought we could have gotten a guy like Mobley 1 for 1 for Doug at this stage of his career. I mean, Doug is clearly not what he once was, and its not going to get better. Father Time doesn't work that way. So to be able to trade him in for a serious proven player still in his prime is fairly remarkable.

 

[albeitrue]

WOW, just a HUGE trade...I'm so very sorry to see Doug go, but if he is the only King willing to play defense night in and night out, then seems to me we are better off with an all offense/shooting team. Hopefully we are not giving up on the defensive end of the court, since that was mainly what Doug contributed on the floor.

What Doug contributed in the lockerroom will be missed SORELY!!!

 

[piksi]

I think it was a good trade and HOPE the shots Mobley get are going to come from the player that takes the most ill advised shots on the team.. Which is...... *ding ding ding* Yep WEBBER!

yeah right

 

[piksi]

Oh yeah. Had I gone with my first reaction, there would be a Petrie effegy hanging outside my door - snow and all. But after the initial shock, I realized that I still trust Geoff Petrie to do the right things for this team.

It hurts. Vlade was my favorite King. He left, and I put his jerseys away. I picked a new favorite because I have always admired Doug. Now he's left and I have to put his jersey away.

You know what really makes me mad? I don't have any more blasted jerseys!!!!

Now, brace yourself... I'm going to actually agree with one of your statements - at least in part.



I, too, hope that Mobley takes some of those shots Webber has been forced to take because of the GPAM™ syndrome. That would be a win-win situation.

And you still didn't tell me which number is the mega-number.

And it's not nice to call a sweet little old lady an ***.

Please tell me what is the next jearsy that You will pick out because it might be a next player to go. Just so I can prepare myself

 

[piksi]

your disgusting
what next? have kmart raise his hand up after every play?

as long as he does not have to marry Jackie

 

[love_them_kings]

WOW, just a HUGE trade...I'm so very sorry to see Doug go, but if he is the only King willing to play defense night in and night out, then seems to me we are better off with an all offense/shooting team. Hopefully we are not giving up on the defensive end of the court, since that was mainly what Doug contributed on the floor.

What Doug contributed in the lockerroom will be missed SORELY!!!

Yeah, well hopefully he will work to get open & not just sit there and stare at Webb when he has the ball. That would certainly help!

Seriously, I think having him in there will open up everybody, and that we will see less ill advised shots in general because the other players won't be doubleteamed.

I already miss Christie & I think his inspiration to the team is irreplaceable. As Webb put it, "If Christie can't inspire you, no one will inspire you." That said, I love the Kings and will support them, and I am interested to see what our offense looks like with Mobley out there.

 

[slugking50]

Wow thats a long thread! Got a headache from it.


Not much i can add then has been said but i seem to recall Doug was in the last year of his contract(I think) and we were hoping hed resign when we got him from Toronto. Am i right?

 

[linzeesan]

Sorry, I'm a little late but I just got the news this morning when i woke up to magic highlights on sportscenter this morning. My first gut reaction was to scream noooooo!!!! at the top of my lungs, but i didn't, other people were asleep. This was a total shock to me, and i'm not sure whati think of it because we'er losing our best defender. Thanks doug, for all you've done for this franchise and its fans.

 

[Gary]

yeah right

Well it is true, no?

 

[G_M]

I like this deal. Not sure it will help much short term, next 10 games or so. But, in the long term it gives the Kings one of the best three point shooters in the league. I will miss Doug's intensity and willingness to accept responsibility for poor play.

However, after reading the majority of resposes to this thread I believe people are overly sentimental about DC's defensive abilities. The reality is DC's days as a lock down defender are over. Realistically, DC always had a problem defending the premier scorers in the league even when he was in his prime. Remember DC ever shutting down Kobe? Me neither. DC's strength was his ability to disrupt the opposing teams offense including an uncanny ability to get into the passing lanes.

However, watching him this year it was clear that he had lost at least ONE step if not more. Additionally, the guy simply is a poor shooter for his position. If Mobley shoots the ball well teams won't be able to double off our 2 guard anymore. This may help Peja and Webber in certain situations.

I'm looking forward to seeing a guy who can knock down open shots and also break guys down off the dribble. How many guys on the Kings can do that?