Trade: Christie for Mobley (MERGED)

Ryle said:
My God people get over it. Christie was good for the team but his skills had diminished and quite frankly I'm surprised the Kings were even able to get someone of Mobley's caliber in a trade.

Let it go and move on.
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Geez, Ryle, get over it. Christie was a huge part of this team from an emotional standpoint. Some people are going to take a couple days to "mourn" the loss of a favorite player. Others don't read the forums every day and are just now posting their feelings.

If it bothers you, let it go and move on. ;)
 
sloter said:
Well, where I think Mobley could help (and possibly take away some of Webber's shots as well) is after broken plays when we have 5-8 seconds on the shotclock. Those shots are normally taken by either Webber or Bibby. Also, those are mostly long jumpshots, so perhaps Mobley could get something by driving to the hoop or driving and kicking it out to one of the shooters. That's another thing Christie didn't do often enough.
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That would be my hope as well. If he plays with his head he has the skills to really help us. Could even see him upping Peja's efficiency, if not his overall number of shots, by Cutino opening space with his shooting and forcing teams to play Peja straight, and by also preventing them from switching their pesky OG defenders off on him to harass him. But my concern is just that I have never considered Mobley a terribly cerebral player. If he gets the mix wrong and holds the ball or forces one on one plays, that's not going to help much.

We'll see. We've got a good system here. If a player with Mobley's skills has half a brain and buys in this could really help us.
 
I can see Mobley providing what Bobby Jackson provides at the end of games when Adelman leaves him in instead of Christie. Except now it will be for most of the game. Jackson doesn't pass much, dribbles a lot, and can score on his own, but when he plays with the other starters he fits in fine and provides more offense. This is likely what Mobley will do.
 
Ryle said:
My God people get over it. Christie was good for the team but his skills had diminished and quite frankly I'm surprised the Kings were even able to get someone of Mobley's caliber in a trade.

Let it go and move on.
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No! i want to mope! ;)

seriously, every time an old players with lots of contribution is traded, the fans are going to mourn, espeially with the kings being such a personal team.

eventually we'll get over it and move on. right now i think christie deserves the time.
 
Look, I'm kind of moving into the enough moping already camp myself at this point. Doug was a good guy and a good temamte. But he was the logical guy to go and his time was just about up whether we traded him or not. Clearly slipping.

Its nice that Sacramento fans care about their team, but really now, that's kind of the point. There are still 12 Sacramento Kings out there, still in the championship hunt, and one of them is now named Cutino Mobley. He's at least as good a player as Doug, an he's a heck of a lot younger. Only question is whether he "gets it" or not. Could be an exciting time again though, because it was certainly beginning to look like Doug did not have enough left to help us get that elusive ring.

Point would be, that while we may all wish Doug well, if you're a Kings fan you shouldn't be moping over a move that might have made the Kings a better team with a better future.
 
I back Petrie 110% on this. I was one of the posters here who wanted DC traded a year ago. I like him as a person, but I didn't think he fit on this team. He was definitely on a downward spiral and I had said that its best to trade him ASAP before his value went down. Cuttino will actually add a boost to the "fun" of this team once again. I only wish DC the best. I do believe that Petrie is not done. There will be a move b4 the post season. If the Mobley deal pans out, I wouldn't be surprised if Jackson is let go at the end of the season to make more room.
 
Lets hope that Mobley will be a smart basketball player when he comes to the Kings. We lost a very smart person, named Doug zChristie, so lets see if Cuttino can replace the intelligance of Doug. As people said, its a good idea for him to drive it in the hoop and kick it out to one of the shooters.
 
There are still 12 Sacramento Kings out there, still in the championship hunt, and one of them is now named Cutino Mobley. He's at least as good a player as Doug, an he's a heck of a lot younger. Only question is


cuttino mobley is younger? wow thats great .. but christie had a young athletic body.. I do agree with you

Point would be, that while we may all wish Doug well, if you're a Kings fan you shouldn't be moping over a move that might have made the Kings a better team with a better future.[/QUOTE]

AGreed.
 
Here is an interview from Mobley when he was traded from Houston to Orlando, note his comments on focusing on offense, fun, and crowd intensity. These are big Kings traits, and traits hes yet again repeated on his trade to Sactown:

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By InsideHoops.com / Dec. 4, 2004
Orlando Magic guard Cuttino Mobley went to Maine Central Institute in Pittsfield, Maine for high school, had a solid University of Rhode Island college career, and was drafted 42nd overall in 1998 by the Houston Rockets. This summer, Houston traded the 6-4, 215-pound Mobley, along with Steve Francis and Kelvin Cato, to the Orlando Magic for Tracy McGrady and three other players. Mobley's NBA career average is 17.0 points, 4.0 rebounds and 2.7 assists per game. Friday night in Madison Square Garden the Magic defeated the Knicks in a close, exciting game. "Cat" was huge with 34 points, six rebounds and four steals. InsideHoops.com editor Jeff Lenchiner met with Mobley after the game for an exclusive interview.

InsideHoops.com: You guys are winning. And the team is fun to watch. And you look like you're enjoying yourself out there. It's basketball, and it's working, and you look free on the floor.

Cuttino Mobley: I mean, I'm not really going to say... I always have fun playing basketball, but this year is a lot of fun. When Rudy [Tomjanovich] was there [in Houston], it was a lot of fun. Running up and down, that's what people want to see. We're just getting to show our talent a little more. And everybody love each other. We all go out with each other, restaurants. We pull together, just like our boys in Houston, Yao and Mo, Jimmy, we're close, too. We miss those dudes, but we're over here, we've having fun. That's what basketball is about. Not no dictatorship, know what I mean?

InsideHoops.com: Is that what it felt like over there (in Houston under Van Gundy), a dictatorship?

Cuttino Mobley: Yeah, I mean, people try to control you because they think it's to the best, but sometimes it's right, and sometimes it's not, but, whatever the case is.

InsideHoops.com: And like you said, you always have fun, but like tonight, when you saw Marbury waving to the stands to pump the fans up, you started doing it, too.

Cuttino Mobley: Yeah, I like that. I like to hear that sh*t, know what I mean? The people in the Garden, getting all "Woo woo woo!" Yeah, ok. I like that. Hype me up.

InsideHoops.com: You get into that. Cool. Because this place gets electric, and some players feed off of crowd energy more than others.

Cuttino Mobley: I'm from the East coast. I'm from Philly. I love it. So if you're quiet, it's psychological. You think of something else. But if they're loud, to me, I love it. The louder you are, the better it is for me.

InsideHoops.com: Even if you're away, on the road, as long as the crowd has energy, you dig it, right?

Cuttino Mobley: Yeah. I feed off of fans. The more you talk to me, the more I'm going to come at you.

InsideHoops.com: Let's switch back to Houston. What was up? What was right, what was wrong?

Cuttino Mobley: I would love Houston, but I just think we slowed the ball down too much, and we didn't have as much freedom as we should have. No knock on Jeff (Van Gundy), because he's a great defensive coach. But offensively, I think the freedom like that we have here, with the same defense that he had... you know what I mean? I don't know; Jeff's a good dude. He's misunderstood. But offensively, at times, you were bored and frustrated (laughs). That's just what it is.

Adelman is ideal for this guy since Adelman is a "players coach", unlike Van Gundy so called "dictatorship". I think Adelman would bring out the best of Mobley.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Peja isn't consistently good enough to take 20+ shots a game -- just doesn't have the game for it. Can't create. When he's aggressive he can reach that number through constant movement. But he's got a severe testosterone shortage and that aggression is only there 1 out of 10 games. Didn't even reach that number of shots last year.

I'm just hoping his number of shots don't fall too far off because of Mobley. Losing a shot or two per game is ok if the team improves, but Peja has a tendency to get even more passive if he's not getting shots, and we can't afford that. Much will depend on how well Mobley integrates himself into our passing game. Its a real plus for us that he has the ability to create -- so few of ours do. But if he starts holding the ball, squaring up people, and trying to take them one on one rather than moving the ball, we will have a problem.
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In last years "pre-Webber" offense Peja was close to 20 shots a game. Averaging 25+ppg too if I remember correctly too! I think that when the offense gets spread out a bit more, and Webber does not have to hold on to the ball as much than Peja SHOULD get more shots *crosses fingers*. We were seeing a lot of Webber with his back to the basket and everyone standing around because of double teams off the ball. Hope now that wont happen so much.
 
Gary said:
In last years "pre-Webber" offense Peja was close to 20 shots a game. Averaging 25+ppg too if I remember correctly too! I think that when the offense gets spread out a bit more, and Webber does not have to hold on to the ball as much than Peja SHOULD get more shots *crosses fingers*. We were seeing a lot of Webber with his back to the basket and everyone standing around because of double teams off the ball. Hope now that wont happen so much.
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No, not even last year. 03-04 Pre All-Star break Peja averaged 17.8 shots a game. That's all he can get, even as a number 1 option, even with a guy (Vlade) ont he team looking for him every time he has the ball. It is the limitation to Peja's offensive game -- he is not able to create his own offense from anywhere on the floor. Mediocre off the dribble, no effective post game -- you just can't get him 20+ shots if the other team does not let him have them. Takes too much work.

BTW, this year Peja is averaging 16.1 shots a game. That's down only 1.7 from his absolute peak last year. Its hardly the sea change some have made it out to be. The far bigger difference is in his shooting. Worst since his rookie year. If he did no more than be as efficient as he was last year on the same number of shots he's already getting, he'd be averaging 22.5pts.

BTW, in the best season we ever had, the closest we ever came ('01-'02), Peja averaged 15.9 shots a game.
 
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Gary said:
In last years "pre-Webber" offense Peja was close to 20 shots a game. Averaging 25+ppg too if I remember correctly too! I think that when the offense gets spread out a bit more, and Webber does not have to hold on to the ball as much than Peja SHOULD get more shots *crosses fingers*. We were seeing a lot of Webber with his back to the basket and everyone standing around because of double teams off the ball. Hope now that wont happen so much.
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whattya mean "pre-webber" years?!?! last time i checked, pre-webber was mitch richmond. mitch was a great player. god love the man, but i think most of us would rather just forget those days with the kings and appreciate what we got now. ;)
 
Bricklayer said:
No, not even last year. 03-04 Pre All-Star break Peja averaged 17.8 shots a game. That's all he can get, even as a number 1 option, even with a guy (Vlade) ont he team looking for him every time he has the ball. It is the limitation to Peja's offensive game -- he is not able to create his own offense from anywhere on the floor. Mediocre off the dribble, no effective post game -- you just can't get him 20+ shots if the other team does not let him have them. Takes too much work.

BTW, this year Peja is averaging 16.1 shots a game. That's down only 1.7 from his absolute peak last year. Its hardly the sea change some have made it out to be. The far bigger difference is in his shooting. Worst since his rookie year. If he did no more than be as efficient as he was last year on the same number of shots he's already getting, he'd be averaging 22.5pts.

BTW, in the best season we ever had, the closest we ever came ('01-'02), Peja averaged 15.9 shots a game.
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Come on Brick! Webber haters don't care about actual statistical facts! They just want to say whatever they want... it doesn't matter if it's actually true!
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I don't really see Peja taking few shots to get his points as being a negative. Nor do I think if he take 1-2 more shots a game that his game would just plummet into inefficiency. For whatever reasons he is not up to PAR like the Peja of last season was a bonafide all star, semi-MVP candidate as far as pure production went.

But I see it as a positive that Peja can be efficient in a certain amount of shots. If he can regain his form from last season, maybe Webber is the one who needs to be more efficient in his own scoring. I would not give Webber a FREE PASS just because he is able to create for his teamattes and has proved in the past he can get 25ppg etc....

The point is to be efficient in ones role. Webber is the guy who stirs the Kings drink so to speak, but if hes going to be incredibly inefficient in scoring himself, I rather Peja take an extra shot or two, or have it split up between Bibby, Miller, Mobley, and Peja.

Webber can still be effective without launching extra shots.

The key is for the team defense to come together first, then I think it would be OK for guys like Peja to be more assertive. But for whatever reason he has not played as well overall or as efficient with Webber around (since last season).

But the Kings need to still pick up their defense first of all. I rather see it come in the regular season, then assuming they can turn it on when it counts.

When and if the D comes guys like Webb should be more focused on that end. If he can pick it up on D, and take a shot or two less and let the other guys fulfill their Offensive efficiency, the team can be deadly.

But easier said then done. Just a theory at this point. They have to WANT to stop the other team, and they have to be efficient on O at the same time.
 
Our internal defense isn't just Webber. Shot blocks per 48, NBA rank:

Starters
Miller -- 112th
Webber -- 147th
Peja -- 282nd

Bench
Ostertag -- 24th
Barnes -- 171st
Songaila -- 181st

Tag is the ONLY guy on the whole team that's even respectable. Our starters are pathetic, and our primary frontcourt reserve (Darius) is no better. I could probably drive on these guys.
 
I know it's not just Webber, but I'd say at least it looks like Miller and Songalia try to challenge shots even if they are bad jumpers and shot blockers. Webber just watches layups and looks so worried about getting hurt that its disheartening.
 
swisshh said:
I know it's not just Webber, but I'd say at least it looks like Miller and Songalia try to challenge shots even if they are bad jumpers and shot blockers. Webber just watches layups and looks so worried about getting hurt that its disheartening.
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Swisshh, you're definately right about what you are saying... until the end of close games. Thats when Webber seems to buckle down and actually challenge/change shots and pokes away balls at key times. He doesn't seem willing to sacrifice his body the rest of the game. But I'd almost rather he didn't anyways, as injury prone as he is. As long as he stays somewhat clutch on D, We will know he is actually capable at times of playing D that way, And if last years playoffs are any indication he will be "Willing" to play like that for longer stretches in the postseason.
 
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Petrie should not trade Christie at all man. He is the heart and soul of the Kings' defense and offense. How can you get rid of someone that change the momemtum of the game and even though he doesn't shoot much..he created so many things for the team and make the offense flow better with his crisp passing and his smart play selections. I mean just look at what he did in the Playoffs last year...he is probably the only guy that did well. And he has the will and desire to bring it to the next level when the game is on the line. There is just so many things that Petrie is overlooking. You just cannot replace a player like that in this league....PERIOD!! Mobley is not a fundamental player and all he does is shoot...he ain't going to play defense like Christie...he ain't going to steal ball and change team momemtum with his passing...he ain't as smart as Christie....i can go on and on and on....but we'll find out if Mobley is better for the Kings in couple days.
 
romanianusa said:
There is just so many things that Petrie is overlooking.
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Welcome to Kingsfans.com, by the way.

One of the first lessons you learn as a Kings fan is that Geoff Petrie doesn't overlook much of anything.

In fact, it's the fans who sometimes cling to things for emotional reasons while Petrie does his best to improve the team, much as he has from the very beginning.

Petrie pulled the trigger on the deal and I'm pretty sure he knew exactly what he was doing - and he didn't overlook a thing.
 
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