Trade: Christie for Mobley (MERGED)

[BigWaxer]

The name on the front still says Sacramento, doesn't it? If you look at most other teams, we have been incredibly lucky to have as static a front-five as we have had. Jon Barry - gone for salary cap but has pretty much been ineffective in the teams since the Kings, meaning perhaps Petrie spotted something. Jason - gone for Bibby. Fundy - retired after a year on the IL. Hedo - gone in the acquisition for Brad. Scot - see comments about Hedo. JJ - that one still bugs me. Vlade - turned out to be the right decision, if you look at his status now. Doug - he, too, is getting older and even I, the most positive homer around, had to admit that he's slower, his turnovers are up, his shot is WAY off, and this might have been the last best opportunity to trade something of value for him and not be saddled with an injury-riddled player with an obscene salary for next season.

So, of the whole list, only one (JJ) wasn't a move that benefited the Kings.

We all look fondly at those guys who first made the Kings something less than a laughing stock. Unfortunately, all of them will sooner or later no longer wear the uniform that says Kings. I, for one, will mourn the eventual departure of each of them but I'm not going to stop being a fan of the Kings.

Very well said.. I am out for the night

to the naysayers, this isn't the end of the world and we need to support whomever is on our team. We also have no reason to doubt Petrie as he obivously knows more then any of us.

 

[VF21]

It is going to get worse and the list is going to get longer

Worse? I've outlined the "cost" of each of those losses, and with the possible exception of JJ, the team didn't lose when those players left or were traded. The list is going to get longer? Well, yeah. Unless there are cyborgs on the team who won't age...

 

[Entity]

WOWOW this makes me getting dougs wristband last friday night seem more valuable. Thanks for the memories doug we will miss you.

 

[Bricklayer]

Actually Cat does a very good job on Kobe as a rule. Won;t vouch for him vs. the other guys.

Everything's been covered at some point in this thread, but I am focusing on:

1) we got younger -- set the clock back one more time, as we did with the Miller trade. Good trade from that respect.

2) Doug was clearly slipping. I would take a 2001 version of Doug over Mobley given our team's needs, but 2005 Doug is not the same player. Even defensively its not as big a gap as it used to be.

3) But, Mobley has traditionally been high on my brain dead players list. Will he wise up in our system?

4) Mobley also has never been much of a passer to anybody except Francis. Will he catch the bug in our system?

5) This puts more pressure on Webb/Bibby/Brad to create for all of their shoot first teammates. It also puts even more pressure on Webber to be a leader.

6) How will this effect Peja? Vlade and Doug were kind of his personal assist men. Can he be as effective without them?

7) How much of this was due to Bobby's absence + missing his offensive spark? Are there any thoughts of trying to turn Mobley into a Bobby replacement -- he used to run backup PG at times behind Francis and has tweener size.

8) Will this be it? Swapped out our oldest starter for a younger player and solid starter. Our does this indicate a more general dissatisfaction leading to more moves?

9) That option year at the end of the year makes me nervous -- this wasn't a salary move I hope. Hope we have no plans to just let him walk as part of a general rebuilding scheme/scaling back of salary.

10) How does this effect Evans/Martin? Less minutes obviously. But in the long term, if we keep him, that's probably our starting OG unless we try to make him into repalcement Bobby. Guess it takes the pressure off and if either of the kids gets good, we can always move Cat again later.


This was not what I expected, but despite my questions I think overall its probably a good trade. Mostly because we managed to once again get younger/keep the window open. Mobley is a very talented guard -- a few yearas ago the guy averaged 20+ ppg. Hard to be too upset for trading an over-the-hill Doug for a guy of that caliber still in his prime. nNo ide what Orlando was thinking though. Huh?

 

[VF21]

Word is that Mobley will start, effective stepping right in to DC's shoes. So, in that respect at least, I don't know how much of an effect it will have on Evans/Martin's minutes.

Want to know what Orlando is thinking? Check out their fan boards for their perspective. They're pretty much accusing Petrie of using illegal tactics, up to and including blackmail, to pull off this deal...

 

[Stojakovic]

Nice definition.

BTW do You disagree with my statement ?

I've had a pessimistic outlook on this team's progress ever since Vlade was traded. I think you make a lot of valid points in your arguments, but many of your arguments have a pessimism on a level that I do not even share (and I consider myself very pessimistic). Hence, you take pessimism to a whole new level : piksimism.

And now, with one of the team's leaders (in defense and just about anything else not named offense) being traded for an offensive player is very disappointing...but I guess we'll have to wait and see how it works out, even though I'm of the opinion that this is a trade for the future, not 2005.

Without elaborating much further, I agree with your statement.

BTW ... it's not my definition, it's just one of the definitions I dug up for pessimsm, and I felt like that one suited you the best

 

[RaY Z]

Cuttino is already a pretty solid passer. When the Kings are moving on offense and getting to their spots, it makes everyone look like a better passer, because you hit a guy and he's in position to finish.

he also actually played abit of the point in rhode island....

 

[HndsmCelt]

First let me say I am both shocked and saddend to see Doug go, just like so many other posters. As for passing judgment on the wisdom of the trade I plan to withhold judgment untill I have seen how Cutino does in the Kings system, you know give him a few games on the court before praising or condeming him. It's always hard to judge what a player is capible of when constrained in a particular systm. Cat does play defense, maybe not as tight as Doug, but he has been primarly cast as a shooter, not a defensive specialist, or as a passer.

Before considering this Petrie's worst trade ever lets give the kid a try and remember how bad choosing Pedaj looked. How upset folks were at letting Vlade walk and bringing in Tag. So far it seems as if Petrie can smell the milk in the fridge getting ready to spoil, as well as haveing some kind of special vision that emables him to see exactly what kind of game players are capible of playing to despite what they may currently be doing. I would never have expected Tag to pass as well as he has, nor could most people see how good many of his aqusitions would be going into a trade. Iv'e said it many times before If I were an NBA GM and the Petrie called me up to make an offer I'd hang up and run, no matter how good it looked to me.

 

[love_them_kings]

I guess one of the interesting things about this whole trade to me is that Mobley's contract basically expires at the end of this year (well, he has a one year player option, which I don't see him exercising). So, in terms of him working within our system, I hope he can adjust to it and adjust quickly. There isn't time for much of a learning curb when you only have the player for six months.

 

[rhuber]

Want to know what Orlando is thinking? Check out their fan boards for their perspective. They're pretty much accusing Petrie of using illegal tactics, up to and including blackmail, to pull off this deal...

Oh Great... it's going to suck if Doug fails to get the warm reception he truly deserves. Off with their heads.

 

[Bricklayer]

Just something to consider:


Mobley 01-02:
21.7pts (.438 FG% .395 3pt% .850 FT%) 4.1rebs 2.5ast 1.5stl 0.5blk 2.4TO

If I said we could trade a 34 yr old player averaging:
7.3pts (.407 FG% .256 3pt% .893 FT%) 4.0rebs 4.9ast 1.4stl 0.4blk 2.2TO


for him, not exactly sure you could classify that as a bad trade. Let alone Petrie's worst.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Actually Cat does a very good job on Kobe as a rule. Won;t vouch for him vs. the other guys.

1) we got younger -- set the clock back one more time, as we did with the Miller trade. Good trade from that respect.

2) Doug was clearly slipping. I would take a 2001 version of Doug over Mobley given our team's needs, but 2005 Doug is not the same player. Even defensively its not as big a gap as it used to be.

5) This puts more pressure on Webb/Bibby/Brad to create for all of their shoot first teammates. It also puts even more pressure on Webber to be a leader.

7) How much of this was due to Bobby's absence + missing his offensive spark? Are there any thoughts of trying to turn Mobley into a Bobby replacement -- he used to run backup PG at times behind Francis and has tweener size.

8) Will this be it? Swapped out our oldest starter for a younger player and solid starter. Our does this indicate a more general dissatisfaction leading to more moves?

9) That option year at the end of the year makes me nervous -- this wasn't a salary move I hope. Hope we have no plans to just let him walk as part of a general rebuilding scheme/scaling back of salary.

10) How does this effect Evans/Martin? Less minutes obviously. But in the long term, if we keep him, that's probably our starting OG unless we try to make him into repalcement Bobby. Guess it takes the pressure off and if either of the kids gets good, we can always move Cat again later.

agreed with all the ones i left in.
i remember when houston was playing LA in the playoffs, cuttino was IN kobe's jersey the whole night making him take tough shots. i think cuttino will thrive in our system. i miss doug but i knew he was going to be moved sooner or later. not a bad pick up for doug christie.
this isn't the end of the world guys, i was pretty bummed about losing hedo when he was traded but i knew it was for the better.
i'm glad we got a shooting guard that can create & finish. teams will think twice about leaving our 2guard to double. petrie made a good move.

i have no idea who this michael bradley guy is, but i think toronto used a lottery pick on him(what a waste).

 

[eflat]

Wow, now I feel kinda bad that I voted for DC in the other thread about who to trade. Sad, but I think it's at least an ok move. Like Tag, I trust that CM will evolve his game just enough to make us feel silly about our initial reaction.

One thing I'm concerned about is that the character of the Kings that made the Kings *really* special (beyond winning) is slipping away. But it is about winning...

 

[Big Cuz 15]

So far it seems as if Petrie can smell the milk in the fridge getting ready to spoil, as well as haveing some kind of special visio that emables him to see exactly what players are capible of playing to despite what they may currently be doing.

LOL
damn right

 

[Lamar_Odom]

It's a good trade by Petrie, no doubt about it. As a lot of posters mentioned, Mobley's defense just might even out Christie's at this point of Christie's career. The rebounding and/or assists might suffer but in the long run, this will benefit the Kings. If anything, this could be a prelude to more moves by Petrie. It looks like the Kings might be starting a rebuilding mode.

 

[eflat]

If anything, this could be a prelude to more moves by Petrie. It looks like the Kings might be starting a rebuilding mode.

I thought this as well. Possibly encouraged by Mo and Kevin's promise, they could be hoping to morph the team instead of tearing it down completely.

 

[Entity]

I am very very anxious to see how the kings players respond to this. especially Chris.

 

[bozzwell]

I thought this as well. Possibly encouraged by Mo and Kevin's promise, they could be hoping to morph the team instead of tearing it down completely.

Sounds about right. Not an outright rebuilding or salary dump but GP cosiderably improved salary/trade flexibility. Once again, even though Bobby is out GP has given himself options (at the end of the season if not now).

 

[swisshh]

Petrie never makes a trade unless he really truly believes it will make the Kings better. I'm hoping right now that this works out.

I disagree. Petrie made the Barry for Cleeves trade purely for salary concerns. It wasn't a move to make the Kings better. I think this trade is also a salary move as well as a Bobby Jackson stop gap.

What does Mobley provide that the Kings need besides some athleticism at the wrong position? The Kings already have young guys like Evans and Martin for athletic guards, what they needed was athleticism at the forward and center. They don't need more shooting and turnovers, which is something Mobley specializes in.

To me, they gave up the wrong player for the wrong type of player. That's why I think they let Mobley walk after the season. It's a matter of having overpaid for Bibby and Webber and needing to cut the fat somewhere. This doesn't put the Kings any closer to a championship if you look at what has cost the team wins in the playoffs.

 

[LPKingsFan]

This doesn't put the Kings any closer to a championship if you look at what has cost the team wins in the playoffs.

And that is poor crunch-time offense?

 

[Kajun]

I think it was a good trade. Doug was slipping unfortunately, and we get a younger player in return. Personally, I can't really see why Orlando went for this trade (with all due respect to Doug, things were pretty fine in Orlando).

Having said that, I'm really having doubts on Mobley as a scorer. Sure, he gets alot of points, but we're talking about a guy who averages somewhere between 13 FGA (2003-2004) and 18 FGA (2001-2002) per game. Like other people have already said, he will take shots from another starters. On top of that, his shooting % is really unspectacular. A .432 career volume shooter could very well hurt the offense (aside from the inferior passing).

Perhaps Mobley will benefit from the Kings' ball movement (who doesn't, it seems?), and his %s will improve. We'll see.

Like Piksi said, it would be tough to resign Mobley, considering the Money he'd ask (Mobley's pay is $5,884,500 this year)...Peja would be first priority. Petrie might have had Salary Cap relief in mind, because Doug still had three years to go on his contract.

 

[swisshh]

And that is poor crunch-time offense?

Uhm.. no.

And I don't think Mobley helps that situation if it existed.

I'm thinking defense, rebounding and free throws. Plus, general mental toughness.

 

[Lamar_Odom]

Peja would be first priority.

Of course, there is a possibility that Peja will let his contract run out and walk.

 

[Ryle]

I think it was a good trade. Doug was slipping unfortunately, and we get a younger player in return. Personally, I can't really see why Orlando went for this trade (with all due respect to Doug, things were pretty fine in Orlando).

Having said that, I'm really having doubts on Mobley as a scorer. Sure, he gets alot of points, but we're talking about a guy who averages somewhere between 13 FGA (2003-2004) and 18 FGA (2001-2002) per game. Like other people have already said, he will take shots from another starters. On top of that, his shooting % is really unspectacular. A .432 career volume shooter could very well hurt the offense (aside from the inferior passing).

Perhaps Mobley will benefit from the Kings' ball movement (who doesn't, it seems?), and his %s will improve. We'll see.

Like Piksi said, it would be tough to resign Mobley, considering the Money he'd ask (Mobley's pay is $5,884,500 this year)...Peja would be first priority. Petrie might have had Salary Cap relief in mind, because Doug still had three years to go on his contract.

How many times has Christie been wide open and unable to knock down the shot??? This is not going to happen anymore. I can tell you from scanning the message boards that Orlando fans are not happy about the trade and not happy to see an aging shooting guard coming back in return for Cat.

People, give Doug his due and appreciation and move on.....we got a better and younger player who can make the open shots which is going to help this team.

 

[piksi]

Just something to consider:


Mobley 01-02:
21.7pts (.438 FG% .395 3pt% .850 FT%) 4.1rebs 2.5ast 1.5stl 0.5blk 2.4TO

If I said we could trade a 34 yr old player averaging:
7.3pts (.407 FG% .256 3pt% .893 FT%) 4.0rebs 4.9ast 1.4stl 0.4blk 2.2TO


for him, not exactly sure you could classify that as a bad trade. Let alone Petrie's worst.

Even if Mobley can opt out after the season

 

[Lamar_Odom]

piksi,

That's an angle. He could play out of his mind and become a free agent...

 

[Last Cup of Sorrow]

goodbye

 

[The Freak]

Hmm...This just got me thinking.

He still has to pass his physical in order to go to Orlando.

So if he doesn't, the trade is off?

 

[gixxerR6]

Petrie is Genius!

what a TRADE i still can't belive it, DON't GET me wrong i will mis doug no player had a heart like him! but putting love and dedication aside this is a Steal for the Kings, only petrie can pull a deal like this after all, Doug is not the same player he used to be. I just don't know yet how mobly will work with our offense, on paper this deal is a Killer, but man petrie knows how to do his job!

i know WE ARE ALL SAD that doug is gone but all those Trade rumors we posted here no one can tell me that you would not trade Doug for mobly, lets face it doug is getting old he ain't the same player couple of years ago, but MAN i WILL MISS you man your always be a KING doug!!!

 

[Entity]

I am looking foward to CM's scoring abilities. So what if it takes 2 shots away from Peja and 2 shots away from Webber. Peja or Webb one almost HAVE to have a good scoring night for us to win. If both guys struggle a bit we are sunk. Sure Bibby steps up and scores 30 from time to time and Miller might hit the 20 mark. But if you got another guy that can take some of the load off Peja and Webber (our 2 biggest scorers). Then maybe those guys can focus more on defense and rebounding. Now if Peja and Webb only score 15 apiece, instead of haveing a 2 guard that score about 7 you could have a 2 guard that leads us in scoring on any given night.

bibby 17
mobley 18
Peja 22
Webber 20
Miller 14
Bench 12

thats 103 points on an average night. Imagine a 37 by Peja or 30 by Webb or Bibby or a 20 by miller. or maybe a 25 by Mobley.

I see our average points per game going up by 8 to 10