Trade: Christie for Mobley (MERGED)
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LPKingsFan
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Bballkingsrock said:Maybe, hopefully Cuttino Mobley will also turn into a very good passer. Afterall look at Brad Miller!
It's a distinct possibility, and IMO, a likely one. Maybe not nearly as good a passer as Doug, but still better than before and good enough to fit in. Mobley averaged something like 3.2 assists/game last year in Houston. Miller's assists moved from 2.6 to 4.3, so it could happen.
thedofd
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defense (clap, clap) defense (clap, clap)
The Kings have had a couple of opportunities to make a title run with the current group but have come up short. They can be a good defensive team when the spirit moves them, but it often doesn't. They talk constantly about playing better defense, etc., but when was it going to happen? Did you see them improving on defense this season? I sure didn't. They simply don't have the right personnel to be a great defensive team. Knowing that, perhaps Petrie decided that their best hope was to be as good an offensive team as possible.
Christie had been athletic and quick enough to be a great individual defender, but was clearly losing a step. He's still an outstanding team defender, playing the passing lanes and giving help, and the Kings may miss that to some degree. But Christie -- although he stood out on a poor defensive team -- was never Scottie Pippen or Alvin Robertson on defense, capable of lockingg down star players on a consistent basis and changing the outcome of games with defense.
This looks like a trade that was made with both the present and future in mind.
With the notable exception of Phoenix -- built on the concept that "we'll keep putting points on the board until you cave in" -- there isn't a dominant team in the NBA. I mean no disrespect to DC, who deserves all the kudos this board can muster, but I think the Kings have beefed up the weakest link in the starting lineup and, once CM gets his bearings, will be in a better position than they were before this trade. How do you defend the Kings?
In terms of the future, the Kings have gotten younger and improved their cap situation by moving a player who, frankly, some of us probably thought could not be traded. Mobley will be a valuable player in this league long after DC has retired to the glamorous life of reality TV star.
I will miss DC a lot. My daughter, who constantly wears a Christie jersey, was sobbing. But I think Petrie has pulled off a coup.
troosvelt said:
The Kings have had a couple of opportunities to make a title run with the current group but have come up short. They can be a good defensive team when the spirit moves them, but it often doesn't. They talk constantly about playing better defense, etc., but when was it going to happen? Did you see them improving on defense this season? I sure didn't. They simply don't have the right personnel to be a great defensive team. Knowing that, perhaps Petrie decided that their best hope was to be as good an offensive team as possible.
Christie had been athletic and quick enough to be a great individual defender, but was clearly losing a step. He's still an outstanding team defender, playing the passing lanes and giving help, and the Kings may miss that to some degree. But Christie -- although he stood out on a poor defensive team -- was never Scottie Pippen or Alvin Robertson on defense, capable of lockingg down star players on a consistent basis and changing the outcome of games with defense.
This looks like a trade that was made with both the present and future in mind.
With the notable exception of Phoenix -- built on the concept that "we'll keep putting points on the board until you cave in" -- there isn't a dominant team in the NBA. I mean no disrespect to DC, who deserves all the kudos this board can muster, but I think the Kings have beefed up the weakest link in the starting lineup and, once CM gets his bearings, will be in a better position than they were before this trade. How do you defend the Kings?
In terms of the future, the Kings have gotten younger and improved their cap situation by moving a player who, frankly, some of us probably thought could not be traded. Mobley will be a valuable player in this league long after DC has retired to the glamorous life of reality TV star.
I will miss DC a lot. My daughter, who constantly wears a Christie jersey, was sobbing. But I think Petrie has pulled off a coup.
LPKingsFan
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Remember, it wasn't the Kings defense that failed them in the playoffs against Minnesota.
Bartking
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LPKingsFan said:
This is a good point. I just looked up the scores...we had 4 games out of 7 with under 100 points, including 89, 87, 74 and 80. Bibby, or Mobley or Pedja won't all go cold at the same time, right??? Getting the ball to the hot shooter is another matter, however.....
BigWaxer
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piksi said:We lost reboundingand passing and got another scorer. Did not know we had a problem with scoring to begin with.
Like I said before look at DC's numbers before he came to this offense... You have to give CM a chance first before making judgement. His numbers in those areas are good enough and obviously could improve in this system.
Perfect example, look at Bibby's, and Millers assist numbers before they got here.
As far as rebounding. 1 rebound a game is not hurting us right now. We have bigger problems then 1 rebound.
Rockmeister
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Watching ESPN and George Karl said this trade just made the Kings better. He said Cuttino is a good defender, not as good as Christie tho.
I'm going to save my comments until I see Cuttino play a few games with the Kings. Who knows, maybe I'll be surprised...maybe it will be good for the team....maybe not. No one knows until they give it a chance.
I'm going to save my comments until I see Cuttino play a few games with the Kings. Who knows, maybe I'll be surprised...maybe it will be good for the team....maybe not. No one knows until they give it a chance.
KingsChick
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The Bride said:
I think all of us feel Adelman's pain.. we got 2 former kings so far on the magic doug and hedo
quick dog
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Bobby is out. Doug is gone. Who is going to guard McGrady, Bryant, Cassell, and all the other guards that routinely torch our slow, unathletic, players?
Barry, Jason, Lawrence, Hedo, Scott, Jimmy, Vlade and now Doug. It's not even the Kings anymore, at least in my current state of mind.
Barry, Jason, Lawrence, Hedo, Scott, Jimmy, Vlade and now Doug. It's not even the Kings anymore, at least in my current state of mind.
Stojakovic
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quick dog said:
Exactly how I feel right now. How quickly things change.
LPKingsFan
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quick dog said:
...and QD comes in with two killer jabs to the heart and stops my current flow of optimism...
thedofd said:
Word.
The acquisition of Mobley instantly gives opponents a big headache if they try to double Pedja at the expense of leaving the 2-guard open.
For over a year, people have talked about wanting a big change, a shake-up, something to change the dynamics of the team and make it different. Well, it happened.
Sure, it's a sad day for those of us who have really enjoyed having DC as part of this team but I have to agree with this statement:
Petrie never makes a trade unless he really truly believes it will make the Kings better. I'm hoping right now that this works out.
Kev.in
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Bartking said:Didn't anybody else notice that Adelman said this came as a surprise?
What's up with that?
Maybe his opinion doesn't matter as much anymore? Maybe he's the next to go? Maybe he's just trying to make Doug feel better, more wanted, like he got a raw deal being dealt to the Magic.
KingsChick
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quick dog said:
Nobody was even prepared for this. I agree, players are just slipping away one by one.
Stojakovic
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piksi said:
"piksimism"
The doctrine or belief that this is the worst of all possible worlds and that all things ultimately tend toward evil.
OptimusRhyme
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quick dog said:
Things go on, we also gained from that list, Bibby, Miller, Mobley, Otag, so you can't say we just lost those players.
BigWaxer
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piksi said:
Bibby's are down from when he got here? NO
You are comparing apples to oranges, Kings to Van/Meph. This system has time and time again made players better that come here. Bibby is 1 asst per game lower then when he was with VAN, but 3-5 pts per game more points.
Its the supporting cast that matters. Bibby has a much better supporting cast and now CM does.
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Kev.in
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quick dog said:
Haven't Bryant, McGrady and Cassell torched us this year (and for most of last year too)? So what do we lose out on, the chance to have our defensive stopper get outscored 30-11 in a big game?
By the way, Mobley is more athletic than Doug and I'd bet good money on Cuttino being able to get end-to-end faster than Doug can. Just wait and see how he moves in the open court.
quick dog said:
The name on the front still says Sacramento, doesn't it? If you look at most other teams, we have been incredibly lucky to have as static a front-five as we have had. Jon Barry - gone for salary cap but has pretty much been ineffective in the teams since the Kings, meaning perhaps Petrie spotted something. Jason - gone for Bibby. Fundy - retired after a year on the IL. Hedo - gone in the acquisition for Brad. Scot - see comments about Hedo. JJ - that one still bugs me. Vlade - turned out to be the right decision, if you look at his status now. Doug - he, too, is getting older and even I, the most positive homer around, had to admit that he's slower, his turnovers are up, his shot is WAY off, and this might have been the last best opportunity to trade something of value for him and not be saddled with an injury-riddled player with an obscene salary for next season.
So, of the whole list, only one (JJ) wasn't a move that benefited the Kings.
We all look fondly at those guys who first made the Kings something less than a laughing stock. Unfortunately, all of them will sooner or later no longer wear the uniform that says Kings. I, for one, will mourn the eventual departure of each of them but I'm not going to stop being a fan of the Kings.
OptimusRhyme
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VF21 said:
word
Serb_Sweetie16 said:
Welcome to the world of NBA fandom. Slipping away one by one? Geez. They haven't died. They've gone on to other teams. Look at the player turnovers of other teams in the league. The Kings have made a lot fewer player moves than some teams. It's not the end of the world; it's not even the end of an era. It's the momentary sadness of losing a player who we've become very fond of. And in the final analysis, it may end up being something we look back on as a step in the right direction.
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