Trade Bagley?

#32
You can't judge any player on this squad until the cloud of Luke Walton is gone. These players aren't stupid they know the change is inevitable and outside of brief moments of pride that ship usually finds it way to that same dock. Until then it's just time wasted win or lose.
 
#34
what is this supposed to mean lol
It means players will eventually let what is going to happen, happen even if their own game suffers. The edge starts wearing off. We've seen it time and time again. Players aren't going to live and die for a coach that's unlikely to stick. That's why lame duck coaches end up where they do and why typically franchises don't want to head into a new season with one.
 
#35
Should we trade Bagley? He plays like he doesn't want to be here. No fire --doesn't go for rebounds. I think he has much more talent than he is showing. May be a change of scenery would be beneficial to all. No longer would he need to be compared to Luca.

If I am the front office I shop bagley hard, a playoff team with the right culture is where he belongs. They may be able to land a pair of firsts and a vet on an expiring contract that may re-up for near league minimum. I also shop Fox and try to get a big haul. Take on a bad contract or two and get multiple picks.

A lineup of haliburton, hield, Barnes, belija and whiteside is just as good as their current one. The king's missed their window you have to draft a pair of studs(embid, simmons) (Steph, Klay) (lillard, mccollum), (tatum,brown) bags just isn't that guy and fox, while very good, probably doesn't ever show up on the list of top point guards. Moving those guys clears a good chunk of cap to bring in surrounding talent with multiple lottery picks.
 
#36
Yes, but not now. After firing Walton and hopefully he builds a little value. Can’t go for it when he’s at his all-time lowest.

Walton is not the problem, the players are the issue. You have hield who thinks he is a legit #1 option that doesn't defend. Go ahead and list the #1 offensive options that don't defend. Nearly all of them come off the bench. Walton did that with hield and you all went on a run. Hields proper place is as a sixth man. Bags also doesn't rebound or defend at a high level, he too probably trends as a bench scorer, think mo speights. In this league you need to have two top 20 guys with selfless players beside them. My gut says fox doesn't get there either. Cut your losses and rebuild around haliburton.
 
#37
Bleacher report floated (note: not reported, just speculating like we all do here) a Bagley for Markannen deal. Kings would lose a year of cost control, as he’s heading into RFA next offseason, but at least Markannen has a clearer fit as a stretch big. Not sure why the Bulls would do it, unless they really want to buy low on a hometown guy.

Edit: not sure why I thought he was from Chicago, I think he’s from Arizona.
I would steer clear of this unless you got word lauri will re-up in the 10-12 mil/yr range. Can't go spending 15-20 million over 4yrs on potential.
 
#39
How about Siakam he’s not playing like a top option without kawhi but he wouldn’t be that here either. He’s still a 20/7/3 guy with decent defense at 26 I’d offer Bagley and this years 1st top 5 protected for him
You would need to throw in more salary to make it work(isn't joseph canadian?) I like it on paper but I doubt the raptors move him. I also don't think he gets the king's over the hump and into the playoffs. Better off going full scale rebuild. Only guys a keep are Barnes and haliburton.
 
#42
Walton is not the problem, the players are the issue. You have hield who thinks he is a legit #1 option that doesn't defend. Go ahead and list the #1 offensive options that don't defend. Nearly all of them come off the bench. Walton did that with hield and you all went on a run. Hields proper place is as a sixth man. Bags also doesn't rebound or defend at a high level, he too probably trends as a bench scorer, think mo speights. In this league you need to have two top 20 guys with selfless players beside them. My gut says fox doesn't get there either. Cut your losses and rebuild around haliburton.
Yeah, just like George Hill was the issue. Zbo was the issue. Dedmon was the issue. Yep, just all 16 players are the issue here. And Buddy has arguably been one the most solid defenders this season. Now, switching while playing 2 PGs and 2 bigs while also helping off the 3 point line in the process is not the players fault. Walton was run out of LA for reason. Last year he got his GM canned. This is on Monte the longer this **** show is allowed to go on. In the end the situation might not be salvageable but at this point it doesn't matter, the players have tuned out.
 
#43
If I am the front office I shop bagley hard, a playoff team with the right culture is where he belongs. They may be able to land a pair of firsts and a vet on an expiring contract that may re-up for near league minimum. I also shop Fox and try to get a big haul. Take on a bad contract or two and get multiple picks.

A lineup of haliburton, hield, Barnes, belija and whiteside is just as good as their current one. The king's missed their window you have to draft a pair of studs(embid, simmons) (Steph, Klay) (lillard, mccollum), (tatum,brown) bags just isn't that guy and fox, while very good, probably doesn't ever show up on the list of top point guards. Moving those guys clears a good chunk of cap to bring in surrounding talent with multiple lottery picks.
Why on god's green earth would a team give up a pair of 1st round picks and an expiring for Bagley?
 
#47
People that can and should be traded
Bjeli
Cojo
Gr3
Parker
Bagley (mostly dont like his soft ass defense and lack of interest in rebounding-Jalil Okafor 2.0)

People that can and should be fired
Walton (wtf is he doing with rotations).