To Trade Cisco: What and why.

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I have been thinking about trades quite a bit (it is TDOS, so give me a break). I have discussed and read a lot of discussions about all kinds of trades. Looking at Francisco Garcia (one of my favorite Kings), I am not sure how he fits in the long term for the Kings AND his trade value is likely as high as it will ever be with his recent performance on the DR team and return to health.

What would be worth moving Cisco for? Draft picks? Enders? A certain position player like a Center or a Power Forward? A young prospect? More veteran leadership? To dump bigger issues like Beno?

Thus, my questions is this... and you can fill in the blanks.

The Kings should Cisco if they get ______ for him.
 
I think freeing up playing time for the guys you think have long term potential is the number one priority so I'd think draft picks would be the most worthwhile bet. Preferably a non-playoff team from last year's #1 unprotected. Or at least no protection out of 1-3.
 
I want to see what he can do in the 6th man role first and even better, if Nocioni is traded I want to see him get that SF spot. I think if given the time his stock will rise big time.
 
SacTownKid said:
I want to see what he can do in the 6th man role first and even better, if Nocioni is traded I want to see him get that SF spot. I think if given the time his stock will rise big time.
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Wait... Hasn't he had the 6th man role the past 2 years??? :confused:
 
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I wouldn't be against trading Garcia at all. Even if it would be just to get his contract off the books and free up playing time for Donte and Omri. Obviously, at some point in the near future, Noc or Garcia has to go if we are going to develop both Donte and Omri.
Personally, I like what Noc brings to the table more than Garcia. Noc tends to play within himself more than Garcia, is a more consistent contributer, and I believe will have a great effect on Omri. With Garcia, we already know what we're going to get. Some bone-headed plays, and some great plays. But I don't see Garcia developing anymore at this point, and his inconsistency is why I would rather have Noc.
I think a good question to ask is who would be a better veteran to have on this team to help Donte and Omri? IMO, I would rather have Noc fill that void than Garcia.
 
Bench or not, by all accounts, Cisco just has the intagibles that make for a team leader. If true, I think that's an asset we may not want to lose right now. Unless it for someone who has those same qualities. Unless is for a better player or an equivalent player/leader with a cheaper/shorter contract.
 
I don't think cisco has that much of a trade value. His offense is inconsistent, and his defense is average (looks good though along side the king's (non)defense). If we could fetch a draft pick (first round) or an ender to get his salary off our books i guess i'd do it. There was a time when I thought he'd be good, but I think his inconsistency, and too much love for 3 pointers stunted his growth. During those times when we drafted him, it seemed like geoff was looking for a christie type player since he was retooling on the fly and we had bibby, peja, brad, etc....to rebuild the 2001 Kings. Unfortunately he and christie had one big difference, christie loves his defense and Cisco loves his offense.
 
id rather trade nocioni or beno but thats not gonna happen. but what teams would want an average at best swingman with a long term deal? any trade with garcia would be a lateral move... so many teams want to keep their capspace they wouldnt want garcia. maybe once lebron and company are off the market teams will look for depth on the perimeter... im too busy to look up every teams roster to see who lacks depth at sg/sf... i'll do it later i guess....
 
trade noc not cisco, ciscos one of the few that actually hussle on this team and has a future in terms of the youth movement. Hes a leader and will do well starting or providing a spark off the bench
 
Add me to the "Trade Noc not Cisco" list. Cisco's ballhandling abilities are going to be key as Evans feels his oats as an NBA PG. In fact, I'd go as far as to say Noc should be traded sooner rather than later, which moves Cisco up to start at SF and open up time for Casspi and Greene behind him.
 
If coach said drop kick someone on the other team I think Nocioni would be the only one to do it, and Donte. Ide rather lose Cisco for a young Center
 
=LarryLegend= said:
why trade one of our best shot blockers and defensive players?
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Because he's not that good of a shot blocker or defender. Which is why we'd be looking for an upgrade in those areas through a trade. At some point we're going to have to trade someone we all like, since the players we don't like have crap trade value. Simply hanging on to the core of a sub 20 win team and adding one lottery pick a year isn't going to get in done.
 
sdballer said:
Because he's not that good of a shot blocker or defender. Which is why we'd be looking for an upgrade in those areas through a trade. At some point we're going to have to trade someone we all like, since the players we don't like have crap trade value. Simply hanging on to the core of a sub 20 win team and adding one lottery pick a year isn't going to get in done.
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Well said.

Also, I wouldn't consider Cisco as one of our core players yet. At this point of the rebuild, I consider only Evans, Thompson, Hawes, and maybe to a certain extent Martin as worth keeping. Of course, my last statement will change if we are to trade for a proven Superstar.
 
I love Cisco, hands down my favorite King of this era.

That being said, I would trade him for a first rounder and ender. Or package him with Beno and just take enders back.
 
I get very frustrated with Cisco, but people keep forgetting we need role players as well as starters. Cisco is what he is - a good spark off the bench who always brings it and gives his all. He's tough, he's got heart and he helps lead. I'm in no hurry to see him traded unless we get a value player in return.
 
As someone else said, your not going to get much in trade. Cisco's shot blocking comes from behind after he gets beat. He defends the 2 better than the 3 or 1. He is the 2nd best 3 pt shooter after Noc. His real value is his ability to play the 1,2, & 3. His biggest value to the Kings right now is that he's Martin's backup and/or replacement should Martin get hurt again.

So, if we are going to trade him the best we could expect to get (that will fill a need) is a backup SG. Evans can plan 20mpg at PG & backup Martin, but if Martin goes down, we might end up with Beno starting again. The only real benifit of trading Cisco for a backup SG is to save money at the cost of Cisco's versatility.

A better option is trading Beno (I know not easy), then Cisco becomes more valuable as the 3rd PG, 2nd SG, & 2nd SF. Which makes his salary more than reasonable. We don't have enough talent on this team to be trading our 6th or 7th man for non lottery draft picks. We can buy those.
 
Trade him along with Kenny Thomas's expiring contract in order to sweeten the pot for another team that has a star player that theyre looking to dump.
 
Section 101 said:
Surprised nobody has brought the fact that he is a BYC player. His contract is very hard to trade at this point.
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It is my understanding that because we are under the salary cap, BYC status does not apply.

However, Cisco's BYC status would expire in mid-January in any case.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
It is my understanding that because we are under the salary cap, BYC status does not apply.

However, Cisco's BYC status would expire in mid-January in any case.
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I believe it's the team receiving him that has to be under the cap. His salary is on the books for the Kings (5.8 mil) at a higher rate than his trade salary (2.9 mil). The other team needs to be able to absorb the difference.

BYC expires july 1st 2010.

Oh and being under the cap now means nothing. BYC is applied when you sign the player.
 
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Section 101 said:
I believe it's the team receiving him that has to be under the cap. His salary is on the books for the Kings (5.8 mil) at a higher rate than his trade salary (2.9 mil). The other team needs to be able to absorb the difference.

BYC expires july 1st 2010.

Oh and being under the cap now means nothing. BYC is applied when you sign the player.
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oh yeah, its the team you trade him to that has to be under the cap. but i guess we could trade him for a player that makes way more than him and send cash to make up the difference. maybe thats what they mean by cash considerations...
 
Section 101 said:
I believe it's the team receiving him that has to be under the cap. His salary is on the books for the Kings (5.8 mil) at a higher rate than his trade salary (2.9 mil). The other team needs to be able to absorb the difference.

BYC expires july 1st 2010.

Oh and being under the cap now means nothing. BYC is applied when you sign the player.
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As far as being under the cap goes, here's the scoop according to Larry Coon's salary cap FAQ, which is pretty much the best resource out there:

A player's BYC goes away if the team falls below the salary cap, the player signs with a different team, or the player is traded.
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While "the team" is somewhat ambiguous, it seems fairly clear from the context both here and elsewhere in this section of the FAQ that it refers to the signing team. The BYC provision is intended to prevent a team that is over the salary cap from resigning their own player to a big raise (using some form of exception, Bird Rights or rookie contract extension) and then turning around and trading him for another player they could not have traded for without their player's new big contract.

So if I am reading the FAQ correctly, and I believe I am, the fact that we are below the salary cap means that Cisco's BYC status has gone away. I'm not sure if his BYC status would come back were we to go back over the cap, but the FAQ does not suggest that it would.

As far as July 1st goes, you're right. I misread and thought that the 6 month provision would apply.
 
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kennadog said:
We are not getting a star player for Kenny and Cisco.
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Youre almost definitely right. It also depends on what you and i consider a star player to be. Hey, the LA whatchamacallits got Pau Gasol for Kwame brown. Then again, the Kings has never had the edge of corruptness.
 
Add me to the list of trading Noc instead of Cisco..Fransisco has some qualities that can't be taught. He's been here since the beginning and is willing to come off the bench. His intensity is always there and provides leadership (something we're lacking), to me he deserves to be here right now.

Plus I think Noc can be a valuable peice for a team that wants to win it all or wants to add another step to their puzzle.
 
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