SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Its an 82 game season, it wouldn't surprise me to see a lot of the "hot" teams fall back to earth and the so-called "contenders" come back on the rise.
nbrans said:
Those teams had a young core and a few years down the line to build enough into a contender. The old kings had a young cwebb, a young guard in Wahad and a pg full of potential in Williams. They had the time to grow. This year's kings does NOT have that kind of timeline. Our so called "core" is approaching middlage age by NBA standards and no disrespect to Garcia or Martin, but neither seems to be ready to a strong contribution anytime soon. Not only that, of our starting 5, both peja and wells are ending contract by the end of the season so this season is pretty much it. Either Win it all or be one of those mediocre playoff team like NY last year.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Pacboy said:
Exactly. But this team shouldn't need that much time to develop anyway. These aren't young players, these are veteren players. Even they themselves will know if things aren't going to click.
The Maloofs expect this team to be a contender. They are really not going to like it if this team fails to meet their expectations. Be thankful we have owners that do care what this team does.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Smart_guy3 said:
Oh good lord.
As an aside the obvious difference between this team and the '99 squad is that that team was young, talneted, had all of its best years ahead of it, and could look to growth from inside as star level players grew and improved. That is always exciting.
Now you turn around, throw out a pile of mismatched 8-10yr vets already as good as they will ever be, and they struggle to get to .500, now you have the nightmare Knicks scenario. Not only lack of results, but lack of hope for future results.
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Smart_guy3
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Bricklayer said:
This team is more talented then the 99' team . . . this team is only missing a good frontcourt player and a SF who actually is not soft as Peja is this team was suppose to be a easy cakewalk to the Pacific division unfortunately thats not the case right now as long as they make the playoffs I'm a happy camper.
Padrino said:
Really?...Can you describe some of this awesome post game?
The only post move Webber ever had was the right handed baby hook, I honestly cannot remember him ever having any other post moves. That's not to see he wasn't effective, he just wasn't a force on the block.
schaffeb said:
Watch a sixers game. He's always had a post game. It was just allowed to rust because of the Princeton Offense. But the PO gave him a 5+ assists average so I doubt he complains. The hook shot was his mainstay plus the spin to the baseline for the dunk or layup. He's always had the ability, it's just that he's even better playing the high post for us. A lot of PFs don't have the option because they don't have the ability. He was mainly low post for the Washington Bullets.
If you can't see a game, then here's the stuff you're missing:
1. Drop step to baseline (dunk/layup)
2. Drop step to lane (hook)
3. Jab step (baby jumper)
4. Jab step (drives around)
5. Fake on the lane step and get the Up and under
6. Elbow fake/jumper and/or drive
Edit: As an aside, the Sixers still use Webb a lot at the high post, depending on who's in or out of the game (not just his team, also talking opponents-wise). He plays 40+ minutes so he's pretty much in with everybody at some point. They do this to make Iverson give up the ball and salvage Webb's high post ability.
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Padrino
All-Star
schaffeb said:
"think back to the jason williams-era kings. webb owned the post. he had all sorts of spin moves, half hooks, and floaters in his skill set. he had explosiveness back then as well, and was quick enough to blow by almost any PF in the league in the paint, posterizing them with a powerhouse dunk and that all-too-familiar swagger. he's a helluvalot stronger than reef, and he used it back when he was able."
this was the rest of the post that you failed to quote. is this not a description of webb's post game?
BigWaxer
Starter
Smart_guy3 said:
Nobody caught this quote. Not even close I would take that '99 team over this current one any day no matter who the coach is. How does this team now have more talent? That is a joke you guys are rating some of our current players a little to high. Brick already went through the team rosters from the past. This team is nowhere close to '99. Only position is Bibby over Jwill.
I think we all see now what Webb meant for this team. Also what ever happened to the trade a star for a star theory? Yes I am still bitter. I don't want to hijack and turn this into a Webb thread but anyone that thinks we are better off without Webb and better for the trade we made ... Well let it be gone Waxer..... breathe... in out ... in out ...
nbrans
All-Star
BigWaxer said:
Ok, wow. This is exactly the type of short-term memory I'm talking about. Remember who the 2 guard was in 98-99? Tariq Abdul-Wahad. You'd take him over Bonzi? Starting 3? Corliss Williamson. Hmm.... better than Peja?
Or maybe you mean the 99-00 team? Nick Anderson as starting 2? Corliss starting at the 3?
It's even somewhat of a myth that the Kings were a young team. Other than JWill, Webber was 26 in 98-99 and 27 in 99-00. Vlade was already in his 30s. Nick Anderson had a huge fork sticking out of his back. Jon Barry was 30.
SAR will turn 29. Bibby is 27. Peja is 28. It's not a lot different, these players still have 3 or 4 great years ahead.
Seriously, the reason people remember that late 90s time fondly was because at teh time the Kings were a vast improvement over the last 13 years. Just because the Kings are struggling after some great years doesn't mean that people should lose perspective altogether.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
nbrans said:
The eam was young everywhere it mattered. Webb was younger than any of our current starters, and a superstar in waiting. Peja was just starting out. The sky seemed to be the limit for JWill. Tariq was a #8 pick in his 2nd or 3rd year. Corliss was still about 26 himself. 4 of the 5 starters were younger than our current guys. And all of the stars except "old man" Vlade, who was 29 or so, had their best years ahead of them.
nbrans
All-Star
Bricklayer said:
Peja just starting out, a sharpshooting but not-quite-put-together rookie... kind of like Francisco Garcia? Tariq Abdul-Wahad, a long, athletic non-shooter... kind of like Kevin Martin?
Hindsight is great, but the fact is that the Kings didn't have a particularly young team, and other than budding-superstar Webber, which unfortunately doesn't seem to have a replacement on this current team, they weren't as talented as the current group.
Just give the team some time. And you're a Webber fan, but now you're saying the Kings should be younger? Clearly careers don't end at age 30.
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