Things aren't looking up for this team

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Things aren't looking up for this team

The Kings' road trip ends with a rout by the Miami Heat and leaves them in search of needed answers.

By Martin McNeal -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Saturday, March 5, 2005


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MIAMI - Fatigue, confusion, unfamiliarity and playing an Eastern Conference power to end a six-game road trip was too much for the Kings on Friday night.


At the start of the season, no one would have imagined that when the Kings and reconstructed Miami Heat, featuring Shaquille O'Neal, met in March, Sacramento would be the team floundering and flopping like a fish gasping for air.



But that's what's real, and the Kings had a 104-83 Miami smackdown to take back to Sacramento with them.

The Kings concluded their 11-day voyage to Dallas and the East Coast with a 2-4 record and three-game losing streak. Chris Webber, widely acknowledged by the Kings as their best player, is now hooping for Philadelphia. Center Brad Miller has missed the last three games because of a right calf contusion. And this morning, three new players - Corliss Williamson, Kenny Thomas and Brian Skinner - will see their temporary digs for the first time since being acquired by the Kings.

Oh, yes, don't forget that Sunday afternoon date with the Detroit Pistons. Kings coach Rick Adelman hasn't.

The Kings had absolutely no threat to score in the paint. Primarily a jump-shooting team, they veered away from the middle against the Heat, especially early in the game, as if O'Neal already had the chief-of-police gig he wants when he retires and had issued an order.

According to Adelman, the Kings just lacked energy.

"We're a jump-shooting team," the coach said after his team was outscored 40-22 in the paint on a night O'Neal had just 18 points and seven rebounds. "I'm just telling you, we played the way our energy level was.

"We have to get home and re-group. It's not going to be easy. All we've got is the world champions at 12:30 p.m. about 36 hours from now. I want to thank the league for that one."

The Kings have only scored fewer than 83 points three times this season, and right now, they are attempting to piece their game together on the fly.

The Kings have lost 10 of their last 14 games since winning back-to-back games against the Golden State Warriors and Portland Trail Blazers and are 16-16 on the road.

Only twice in those 14 games did the Kings hold the opposition to fewer than 100 points. With an offense robbed of its fluidity and educated movements, the Kings' defensive woes are more visible and damning.

Against the Heat, the Kings struggled in the first half, attempting to hang with Miami with a perimeter offense and rarely getting any baskets from their defense. But when the Kings scored the first three baskets of the third quarter, they trailed just 48-47.

But the Kings never caught the Heat because they didn't fully commit to defense. Perhaps fatigue played a role, but it appeared they could have given more intensity to reach the baseline and not allow a clear path to the basket. They also could have reached opposing shooters quicker and put their respective hands up to challenge wide-open jump shots.

"We've got to play defense better," said guard Eddie House, who might see more minutes if Cuttino Mobley's back troubles him Sunday. "That's all there is to it."

Kings guard Mike Bibby believes it's about effort. "We've got to work harder and take more pride, show more pride," he said. "We've got to help each other because sometimes it's not there. It's hard to stay in front of your man all the time, but we've got to focus better on the ball, too."
 
People wanted change and they got it.

Cheering for this team in the short term is going to get tougher for those who are only interested in winning. A lot of us who had been around for the lean years kept trying to tell people to appreciate what they had while they had it because it wouldn't last forever.

I love this team. Much like a parent, I got really upset with some things that had happened but, bottom line, I still love this team.

They are going to need our support more than ever now because the rest of the season is going to be tough. If you think you can switch horses in mid-stream to the extent we did and still gallop on at previous levels, you've got to rethink it.

We have new guys, we have injured guys, we have guys returning from injury, we have guys who've never played together, etc. Face it, folks. It's November all over and we're being thrown into the schedule with NO training camp.

Having said all that, GO KINGS!!!! If any group of players could do the impossible, it would be the Kings!!!
 
i agree vf21
i'm glad the kings made some changes. they needed to in order to have some flexibility for the future. the kings are going in a different direction. the fans need to have some patience with this team. petrie will pull another rabbit out of his hat.
 
VF21 said:
People wanted change and they got it.

Cheering for this team in the short term is going to get tougher for those who are only interested in winning. A lot of us who had been around for the lean years kept trying to tell people to appreciate what they had while they had it because it wouldn't last forever.

I love this team. Much like a parent, I got really upset with some things that had happened but, bottom line, I still love this team.

They are going to need our support more than ever now because the rest of the season is going to be tough. If you think you can switch horses in mid-stream to the extent we did and still gallop on at previous levels, you've got to rethink it.

We have new guys, we have injured guys, we have guys returning from injury, we have guys who've never played together, etc. Face it, folks. It's November all over and we're being thrown into the schedule with NO training camp.

Having said all that, GO KINGS!!!! If any group of players could do the impossible, it would be the Kings!!!
Yeah I hear you. for me this is JUST like watching pre-season and rooting for the new guys looking for what they can bring, and specualting on how they will fit in. Ilove the new guys in part beause they are Kings an in part beceause of the way they are playing. Heck should Petrie trade some or all of them in the off season to bring in the starter I suspect he already has picked out, I will even miss them a little. For me the game like life is long run not always immediate. Teams loose games, sometimes they learn from them, teams have bad seasons, and sometimes they learn/build from them. So I will enjoy every win this season, and in the psoet season, Iwill hate every loss and when folks complain that the season was lost due to (insert scapgoat here) I wil smile looking forward to next season, and the one after that and so on.
 
whozit said:
Good post VF21!

Lowered expectations can result in greater appreciation.

I like this comment, whozit. Maybe one of the reasons that I appreciate the Kings (win or lose) is because we had "no" expectations for so many years. Even as our expectations rose, many of us from the lean years were able to keep our sense of appreciation, because we had so little for so long.

Newer fans, especially fans who have joined our "parade" in just the past 3-4 years (notice I did not say bandwagoners), have only had high expectations. That is really all they know. So, if expectations are not met, the appreciation for their team begins to wane.

Am I trying to say that one fan is better than another. NO! I am only saying that there is a real reason why fans have different attitudes. Accept it. You cannot change it. Just be kind to and, understanding of, each other.

This is a unique Kings fan message board. There are others out there that are more volatile. If that is what you seek, then check them out. You may be happier there. If you want a nice family board where basketball is discussed without flaming players or other members, then this may be the place for you. What you cannot do is come here and try to change our board into something you want, if it is contrary to what our owner, moderators, and members have created.

We are KingsFans.com and there is a reason that we are popular. We all want to keep it that way.
 
I never liked this team because it was winning. That was not the reason I became a fan. In fact, when I first saw them play i didn't even knbow much about the team I just knew I liked the WAY they played, i liked their "spunk"...... the way they were together on the court.
But I am not about to turn my back on them just because they are going through a rough time...... This team is still the most excited team in the league (to me, anyway)...... and if this is not their year, OH WELL. There are plenty of more seasons ahead of us.
 
TheSerbianQueen said:
I never liked this team because it was winning. That was not the reason I became a fan. In fact, when I first saw them play i didn't even knbow much about the team I just knew I liked the WAY they played, i liked their "spunk"...... the way they were together on the court.
But I am not about to turn my back on them just because they are going through a rough time...... This team is still the most excited team in the league (to me, anyway)...... and if this is not their year, OH WELL. There are plenty of more seasons ahead of us.

Hear, Hear!!!!!!
 
TheSerbianQueen said:
I never liked this team because it was winning. That was not the reason I became a fan. In fact, when I first saw them play i didn't even knbow much about the team I just knew I liked the WAY they played, i liked their "spunk"...... the way they were together on the court.
Me too. I actually followed the Kings since the Mitch Richmond days. My brothers were the first basketball fans in my family when they were still in grammar school. They followed the Kings cause Sacramento was the closet NBA city to us. I remember seeing lots of Richmond Era games and rooting for the Kings with my brothers. Still, I didn't consider myself a TRUE fan until Jason Williams came along. I saw the real excitment of the game and it got me more into basketball... I didn't even know what record the Kings had, or what playoffs meant, how bad or good the team was...heck, I didn't even know what a Rebound was! :o I only watched cause I enjoyed the game! I fell in love with the team and there was no looking back. Even 20 yrs from now I will still be cheering and supporting the team as if I did from day 1. Winning a championship is always great... but watching the guys play basketball, the game I love, is good enough for me for that is the really reason I became a fan. :)

GO KINGS!! I love this team.
 
All this hand-wringing and whimpering will stop when the Kinsg learn to play as a team. They need practice. They had a bad raod trip because of injuries and trades. Everything will be fine in time for the playoffs.
 
quick dog said:
All this hand-wringing and whimpering will stop when the Kinsg learn to play as a team. They need practice. They had a bad raod trip because of injuries and trades. Everything will be fine in time for the playoffs.

Exactly my feelings too.

Everybody was down after a horrible start to this season too, and we turned out fine didn't we ?
 
quick dog said:
All this hand-wringing and whimpering will stop when the Kinsg learn to play as a team. They need practice. They had a bad raod trip because of injuries and trades. Everything will be fine in time for the playoffs.

Don't let anyone else hear you say that. According to a few people on here it would be better to give up now and go into the lottery.
 
People are sure quick to jump the gun after just a few games.

Given them at least 10-15 games playing as a complete unit and we'll see how they're progressing.

If we get Bojax back for the playoffs, it'll be interesting to see if that helps or hinders the kings.
 
SacTownKid said:
Don't let anyone else hear you say that. According to a few people on here it would be better to give up now and go into the lottery.

That's not really a fair comment. quick dog has a right to his opinion. Those who think this team, as currently structured, cannot possibility go far in the playoffs also have a right to their opinion.

My personal belief is that we will not be able to beat the Spurs. I was worried about it before and I'm even more worried about it now. I think their last-minute acquisition of Nazr was HUGE.

That doesn't make me less of a fan. I would love to be wrong...and I'll be cheering my heart out. In all honestly, however, I simply don't think the team we have right now is capable of going deep into the playoffs and a GOOD PART of the reason is there simply isn't enough time for them to completely gel together as a cohesive unit.
 
VF21 said:
there simply isn't enough time for them to completely gel together as a cohesive unit.

Thats the key point I think with this team. Just looks lost out there right now and I don't think 20 games is gonna help that any.
 
BigWaxer said:
Thats the key point I think with this team. Just looks lost out there right now and I don't think 20 games is gonna help that any.

20 games will definitely help -- but no way it helps enough to make us into a serious postseason threat, especially with the decline in our talent base.
 
I love this team. The only thing I hate about this team is injuries. Seriously what is wrong with our training staff? I am beginning to think that this can not be just bad luck. If you look at our team we probably had more injuries more keys than any team in 5 years. Something is wrong, makes me wonder if the players actually warm up and sketch between practices and games.
 
i'm still pretty optimistic about the teams future... and looking forward to see what goes down this summer.... but no matter what happens, i'm still backing this team.... and atleast the lakers and twolves suck too.....
 
Bricklayer said:
20 games will definitely help -- but no way it helps enough to make us into a serious postseason threat, especially with the decline in our talent base.


agreed. the hardest thing for me to accept about this trade is the loss of potential for this year. I realize it was going to be a long shot regardless, but with the talent we had on our team I felt like there was no way you could completely count us out if we were healthy. We had the POTENTIAL for an upset. Now, well, there's always a chance, but now it's really hard to imagine.
 
VF21 said:
That's not really a fair comment. quick dog has a right to his opinion. Those who think this team, as currently structured, cannot possibility go far in the playoffs also have a right to their opinion.

My personal belief is that we will not be able to beat the Spurs. I was worried about it before and I'm even more worried about it now. I think their last-minute acquisition of Nazr was HUGE.

That doesn't make me less of a fan. I would love to be wrong...and I'll be cheering my heart out. In all honestly, however, I simply don't think the team we have right now is capable of going deep into the playoffs and a GOOD PART of the reason is there simply isn't enough time for them to completely gel together as a cohesive unit.

well said. I agree 100%.
 
AleksandarN said:
I love this team. The only thing I hate about this team is injuries. Seriously what is wrong with our training staff? I am beginning to think that this can not be just bad luck. If you look at our team we probably had more injuries more keys than any team in 5 years. Something is wrong, makes me wonder if the players actually warm up and sketch between practices and games.

Seriously, what is up with our training staff? Can anyone supply some stats on injuries per NBA team over the years? Ours seem way up there...
 
VF21 said:
That's not really a fair comment. quick dog has a right to his opinion. Those who think this team, as currently structured, cannot possibility go far in the playoffs also have a right to their opinion.

My personal belief is that we will not be able to beat the Spurs. I was worried about it before and I'm even more worried about it now. I think their last-minute acquisition of Nazr was HUGE.

That doesn't make me less of a fan. I would love to be wrong...and I'll be cheering my heart out. In all honestly, however, I simply don't think the team we have right now is capable of going deep into the playoffs and a GOOD PART of the reason is there simply isn't enough time for them to completely gel together as a cohesive unit.

Also don't forget. We know what injurys can do to a team. Imagine if Duncan or Ginnobili go down. Or with Phoenix Marion or Nash. All of these teams are 1 injury away from not going deep in the playoffs as well. Lets just wait and see.
 
Entity said:
Also don't forget. We know what injurys can do to a team. Imagine if Duncan or Ginnobili go down. Or with Phoenix Marion or Nash. All of these teams are 1 injury away from not going deep in the playoffs as well. Lets just wait and see.

That is exactly right. I always try to incorprate that nebulous "disaster factor" into my periodic assessments of the Kings' future. People are funny. Most people are pretty liberal, that is, they float a lot of speculative and unsupported ideas and maintain a "feel good" philosophy. Nevertheless, probably because of emotional involvement, sports fans tend to take a very conservative view of their team's futures.


Whereas, one must certainly consider the home team's chronic difficulties and problems, we tend to ignore other real and potential problems of the opposition. I am absolutely certain that something really bad will happen to one or more of the following teams before the season ends: the Spurs, Suns, Supersonics, maverisks, Grizzlies, Heat, and or, the Rockets. We are not alone in this sea of misfortune. Look what happened to the Timberwolves! That is one reason why I believe that the Kings will maintain the fifth seed in the NBA West.


I never thought that the kings were likely to beat the Spurs or Suns in the playoffs this year. You can now add the Miami Heat to that list. I don't think the Kings are going to be the League's doormat anytime soon. Lottery talk is unrealistic at this time. With a little "non-recurring luck" for a refreshing change, who knows what is possible this year.


Our new trade-players are pretty good, and Chris Webber is one errant zig or zag from early retirement. Petrie did the prudent, but unpleasant, thing by trading him to the 76ers.
 
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Good points Quick Dog. However I'd still like to see some stats on our seemingly high amount of injuries vs other teams. Also was Kenny Thomas being sarcastic when he replied "are you kidding?" about being happy in Sacramento?:confused: That daft fellow :cool:
 
NumberFour said:
Good points Quick Dog. However I'd still like to see some stats on our seemingly high amount of injuries vs other teams. Also was Kenny Thomas being sarcastic when he replied "are you kidding?" about being happy in Sacramento?:confused: That daft fellow :cool:

Kenny Thomas and Brian Skinner have both made comments about how glad they are to be in Sacramento where they at least get a chance to touch the ball for a change. Corliss has been here before so he knows what it's like.

If you're that interested in statistics about injuries, you need to do some research. We had a number of lengthy discussions about that in the past, but unfortunately those threads were lost back in September 2004 when we had to start over.

The one thing that did show up was that our injuries, although closer to our hearts, are NOT out of line with the rest of the NBA. Injuries happen...and there is no real correlation between minutes played and injuries sustained. Those are the things I remember from the old threads. I'm sure some of our more long-term members might be able to fill in some of the info.
 
VF21 said:
Kenny Thomas and Brian Skinner have both made comments about how glad they are to be in Sacramento where they at least get a chance to touch the ball for a change. Corliss has been here before so he knows what it's like.

If you're that interested in statistics about injuries, you need to do some research. We had a number of lengthy discussions about that in the past, but unfortunately those threads were lost back in September 2004 when we had to start over.

The one thing that did show up was that our injuries, although closer to our hearts, are NOT out of line with the rest of the NBA. Injuries happen...and there is no real correlation between minutes played and injuries sustained. Those are the things I remember from the old threads. I'm sure some of our more long-term members might be able to fill in some of the info.

yes I remember a little bit of that topic. But it seems that the injuries are increasing more often then before.
 
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