UclaKingsFan
Prospect
kingsofnba said:
I think the problem is that all of the coaches who are superior to Adelman are already employed by other pro and college basketball teams as either head coaches or assistant coaches. To fire Adelman mid-season would be equivalent to giving up on this season, as any interim coach probably could not do a better job during the regular season. Any coaching change should occur during the off-season, I believe, as a much larger pool of potential coaches would be available to us.
As for possible names next year, how about Mark Few from Gonzaga? He has built that program into a national power while maximizing the talent that he is able to recruit--talent that is below the bigger programs, but he always seems to get them to play together as an aggressive, hungry team. Maybe its time he received a shot in the NBA. More realistically though, if Adelman were to be fired at year's end, I think the team would look at names liker Porter or Carlesimo. I'm not advocating those two, but I believe its the direction the team would look to--coaches with previous NBA experience.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
bozzwell said:
I've got an IP address and geographic location, but am a bit concerend about the moral implications of incinerating 1,000,000 innocent people just to fry one pest.... but only a bit. Get me that nuke and consider the problem solved.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
Bricklayer said:I've got an IP address and geographic location, but am a bit concerend about the moral implications of incinerating 1,000,000 innocent people just to fry one pest.... but only a bit. Get me that nuke and consider the problem solved.
LMAO!
You're to much, sometimes Bricky!
bozzwell
Starter
Bricklayer said:I've got an IP address and geographic location, but am a bit concerend about the moral implications of incinerating 1,000,000 innocent people just to fry one pest.... but only a bit. Get me that nuke and consider the problem solved.
What are the moral implications if you "accidentally" press the button?
AleksandarN
Starter
Rick's Fate?
If we continue to play like does. Will Rick suffer the same fate that Flip went through in when he got fired by the T'wolves mid season? It just seems like the players are not responding to him. I hope I am wrong but if we continue playing like we are he could be gone by January. I am not agianst Rick and do not think he is bad coach but I think he just does not get through to the players anymore on this team the same(thing that happened to Flip). Look at Flip I could see this happen to Rick where after leaving the Kings he goes to coach a team that improves dramatically.
If we continue to play like does. Will Rick suffer the same fate that Flip went through in when he got fired by the T'wolves mid season? It just seems like the players are not responding to him. I hope I am wrong but if we continue playing like we are he could be gone by January. I am not agianst Rick and do not think he is bad coach but I think he just does not get through to the players anymore on this team the same(thing that happened to Flip). Look at Flip I could see this happen to Rick where after leaving the Kings he goes to coach a team that improves dramatically.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
For all of his stupidity though, there is one important issue he actually does touch on. People want to blame Adelman for this. But who assembled this team? Why is he sacrosanct? I think Geoff can pull off sneaky trades with the best of them, but I have been becoming increasingly concerend about his feel for how to put together a winning balanced team. Teams that look liek we do -- Portland, Memphis, Dallas a couple of years ago etc. -- always have problems getting it together. I am going to repeat this mantra again -- this isn't fantasy ball. You need guys who are natural roleplayers. Need defenders. Too many cooks can in fact spoil the stew, and I don't care who the coach is.
Think Rick has as good a chance as anybody to get this team pointed in the same direction because of his ability to manage egos. But its an ungainly mix that is going to require constant attention and work to keep in balance.
Think Rick has as good a chance as anybody to get this team pointed in the same direction because of his ability to manage egos. But its an ungainly mix that is going to require constant attention and work to keep in balance.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Still way to early in the life of a team that is still getting familiar with each other...ask that question after 20-25 games...because thats about how long its gonna take for the players to learn each other's 'ism's'. I expected a slow, awkward start to this year...and for the team to gel by about the 30th game and then hit its stride. But hey, I could be wrong, just my 2 cents.AleksandarN said:
bozzwell
Starter
Bricklayer said:
If that was your way of asking if Petrie's moves of last 12 months were bad but managable (i.e. RA will fix it) or has the whole retooling process been derailed by Petrie, I say it is the latter. Even when fixed (and I don't doubt that Rick will get them to respectability) this team will not be a contender and it will be devoid of the type of trade-bait that brings in premier players in return.
Diabeticwonder
Bench
I always thought that starting in the 2003 season the team began to tune Rick out. However, the team as constituted now is so completely different than that time and is so different than one year ago that I don't think that's the case anymore at all. I really belive that the team is having a hard time getting used to each other. The Kings run a much different system than most other teams in the league and 3/5 of the starting lineup are not very athletic, which makes it difficult to succeed if the system is not run the way it is supposed to be ran. Now, if Mike, Brad and Peja were all very gifted athletically then they could let their skills take over when the system isn't working, but that's not the case. Mike, Brad and Peja depend on the motion offense to be effective and in order for it to be effective all 5 on the court have to be on the same page. I think that this will eventually happen, but it's going to take some time...perhaps as many as 20 games. When they do get it, I think that this team will be good and will have a legitimate shot at winning the division. Look, they are 1-3 with 12 of their next 15 at home. After those 15 games I think and I hope that we will see a completely different team than we have seen so far.
CreeksideBaller
Bench
we already have an RA thread...
AleksandarN
Starter
Circa_1985_Fan said:
I just wonder if he can motivate the team like he used too. I think his time is done with this core(Bibby,Miller, Pedja) Either that or the core gets changed. Either change the core or I can see Rick suffer the same fate as Flip in Minny if they continue to play the same way.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Circa_1985_Fan said:
I think the real question is not we the fans waiting though, or Geoff waiting, but rather will the Maloofs have the patience to see this through? That was what I was saying after the New Orleans loss. If we just hang in there long enough, with all of this talent we should eventually be pretty good if nothing else. But if things go poorly early there is just a significant risk that the Maloofs will panic, or the players will check out and start playing for themselves etc. If we could just blink ahead 30 games, maybe we'll be in better rhythm (would almost have to be, being 2pts from 0-4 at this point). But its surviving and keeping everybody beleiving UNTIL that 30th game that is the concern, for me at least.
Diabeticwonder
Bench
I couldn't agree more. If they begin 10-20 or something like that then I do think that the Maloofs might panick and pull the trigger on Rick. If they do, then maybe they can get Phil Garner to come and resucitate us just as he did the Astros.Bricklayer said:
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Diabeticwonder said:
On a positive note, have a BIG long home streak coming up with a number of patsies mixed in. A chance to gain some traction and maybe come together as a team a bit.
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Smart_guy3
Guest
I think this team can build some confidence in them Brick, but I wish this Organization realizes that it's time for a different coach to lead this team I have nothing against Adelman but his time IMO with the Kings are done.
PFFFT!!
Starter
I would trade a couple of the so called "core 3" guys plus thomas for KG. Our core 3 know no D, cant jump, get outhustled 99% of the time, and did I mention can't jump?. Im unhappiest with Peja, Bibby, and Miller's frustrations. I would be fine having only one of them, but three statues?Also, its so obvious that Thomas is frustrated on the bench. His play has been poor and he makes bad decision. Funny thing is Bonzi and SAR have played the most consistent, and they are the newbs on the team. Id love to hear comments from the homers.
L.A. Brian
G-League
I think you've pretty much explained why Minny might want no part of them, especially now since they're not viable contenders and probably still wouldn't be with two of the core three. Maybe it's worth the risk if they were a player or two away from contention, but they'd be mired in the good-not-great category the Kings are in, plus with at least one grossly overpaid contract added to their payroll.PFFFT!! said:
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Back to a coaching change:
If the Maloofs wanted to make some roster moves as well, and try to get back in the title hunt, I would say push hard to get Pat Riley out of retirement or sign Adelman to an extension unless it's really clear that the players have given up on him after about 20 games or so.
If they want to go in the rebuilding mode, I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Eric Musselman, I thought he actually showed promise in Golden State.
If the Maloofs wanted to make some roster moves as well, and try to get back in the title hunt, I would say push hard to get Pat Riley out of retirement or sign Adelman to an extension unless it's really clear that the players have given up on him after about 20 games or so.
If they want to go in the rebuilding mode, I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Eric Musselman, I thought he actually showed promise in Golden State.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Also, if we wanted to keep a similar system, we could turn to former assistants Byron Scott (if fired from NO/OK) or Terry Porter (recently fired from the Bucks, albeit under shady conditions).
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AleksandarN
Starter
I would love Jerry Sloan coaching this team. What are his chances of leaving the Jazz. We need toughness and that mentality starts from the coach. I think our softness comes from Ricks coaching style and personality this team needs a in your face type of coach. If not a new coach a new core because this current team and how they are playing can not go on like this or else we can say goodbye to the playoffs.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
LPKingsFan said:
Unfortunately I see absolutely no way a guy like Riley would come here for a variety of reasons -- he's got control of his own franchise in Miami, lives in the fast paced glam city of his choice (as opposed to Sac) and if he wants to coach has a team right there in front of him that he built his way (around a giant post center).
But Porter is out there. Could see that. Not really sure what it would accomplish THIS season given that he runs a very similar system to Rick and has a modest track record. But he was always one of the guys that seemed to make sense if we were looking to "stay the course" with a similar coach who was part of the family. Of course, if the point was to shake things up, is that really how we'd want to play it? Or would we want a significant change of style?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
AleksandarN said:
Sloan is near the end now, and has been a bit dubious in recent years anyway. Hard to see him not just retiring as a Utah lifer. He'd have an absolute fit if presented with all our softies anyway -- there'd be much screaming and wailing from all sides.
That's the thing about a midseason coaching change -- ok, sure, you want to switch coaches to try to fix the GMs mistakes. But who is really out there that you KNOW will make things better and not worse?
AleksandarN
Starter
Bricklayer said:
bobby knight
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
AleksandarN said:
Where is the smiley.
Bobby Knight could NOT teach the pros. There'd be a lineup to go Latrell on him.
(perhaps headed by me since I think the guy desperately needs to be strung up for being such an *******)
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OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Rick Patino, knows the princeton offence, runs it in Louisville.
