The open market will determine his value and if it's low well then, it is what it is and it's COACH Malone's job to assign him a role and IT's responsibility to do his job to the best of his abilities. IT has been professional his entire time here in Sac and there is no reason to believe that will change.
The Official NBA Draft Day Thread 2014 Edition
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I downloaded a bit of game footage on Payton because I had almost NO info on him prior to workouts. He looks good... Basically I would rate them like this;
Dribbling = Payton
Ball Handling = Payton
Passing = Smart
Court Vision = EQUAL
Shooting = EQUAL
Outside Shooting = EQUAL (although Smart will take more chances)
Taking the Ball to the Rim = Smart
Defense = Smart
Defensive Awareness = Smart
Defensive Switching = Smart
Defensive Pick and Roll = Smart
Smart is better suited to contribute now IMO.. But I have seen a LOT more of Smart than Payton. Probably 20-25 more games. I have only watched about 3 halves of basketball with Payton including all the draft videos. That's all I could find on him.
Dribbling = Payton
Ball Handling = Payton
Passing = Smart
Court Vision = EQUAL
Shooting = EQUAL
Outside Shooting = EQUAL (although Smart will take more chances)
Taking the Ball to the Rim = Smart
Defense = Smart
Defensive Awareness = Smart
Defensive Switching = Smart
Defensive Pick and Roll = Smart
Smart is better suited to contribute now IMO.. But I have seen a LOT more of Smart than Payton. Probably 20-25 more games. I have only watched about 3 halves of basketball with Payton including all the draft videos. That's all I could find on him.
I wish I could give you my perspective on Payton, but haven't watched him, however I watched a ton of Oklahoma State games, they were on ESPN all the time and I watched it mainly to watch Marcus Smart so I focused on him most of the time. The thing is from the beginning of the year I really wanted to like him, he was supposed to be so good, but overall I was a little underwhelmed. He is a good player, don't get me wrong, but there were many holes in his game. I have seen a lot of comparisons to Dwayne Wade, I don't know where that came from, but those two are nothing alike. He is much more Tyreke Evans like.
His outside shot is not good and he takes too many bad shots. He is a very good penetrator, but I don't think his shot can keep defenders honest in the NBA. Now his shot is better than Evans', especially from 3-point range, but it needs a lot of work. I think his PG abilities are overrated, he does most of his passing when he drives and dishes, much like Evans, he can get assists, but I don't see him making his teammates better like a good PG does. Also other than when he drives his game speed appears a little slow and athleticism limited. Now he does get a lot done out there so maybe he slows the game down for everyone so he can do what he needs to do, hard to tell. On the good side his individual and team defense is very good. If he gets that shot down and works on his passing some I think he could be an excellent player, but will he? While I think he does have the ability to start right away he is still a project of sorts.
His outside shot is not good and he takes too many bad shots. He is a very good penetrator, but I don't think his shot can keep defenders honest in the NBA. Now his shot is better than Evans', especially from 3-point range, but it needs a lot of work. I think his PG abilities are overrated, he does most of his passing when he drives and dishes, much like Evans, he can get assists, but I don't see him making his teammates better like a good PG does. Also other than when he drives his game speed appears a little slow and athleticism limited. Now he does get a lot done out there so maybe he slows the game down for everyone so he can do what he needs to do, hard to tell. On the good side his individual and team defense is very good. If he gets that shot down and works on his passing some I think he could be an excellent player, but will he? While I think he does have the ability to start right away he is still a project of sorts.
More on Smart: when he hits the more wide open NBA, I think he will thrive even more in open spaces. While I love Payton's defense, Smart is equally a defensive disruptor imo. 3 steals per game.
I think his 3pt shot will actually improve at the NBA level with more space. His shot is way more ready than Payton's at this point. Smart played with 2 or 3 other guards at OKC and they weren't really known for giving up the ball. Their offense was always really cramped.
The good news is if the Kings end up with one of Payton, Smart, or Rondo, those are all great defensive PG's.
And I really like Ray's defense too.
I think his 3pt shot will actually improve at the NBA level with more space. His shot is way more ready than Payton's at this point. Smart played with 2 or 3 other guards at OKC and they weren't really known for giving up the ball. Their offense was always really cramped.
The good news is if the Kings end up with one of Payton, Smart, or Rondo, those are all great defensive PG's.
And I really like Ray's defense too.
Watching nbatv mock draft....some crazy stuff...had Stauskus going at 5 to Utah, Embiid at 7 to Lakers, McDermott going 8...GregAnthony saying Dougie would be a multiple times all-star and the panel agreed that Dougie would be a perfect fit on the Kings as Cuz would open it up for him or visa versa. GHarris goes 9 and then Gordon at 10. Still no Smart coming off the board.
Just opinions and I think David Aldridge, who is on the panel is a moron but Greg Anthony is usually solid and also John Thompson Jr is a good basketball mind.
This is not the 1st time that someone has raved about McDermott and this panel is clearly favoriting shooting as you see Gordon and Smart slip. Makes for an interesting perspective.
Just opinions and I think David Aldridge, who is on the panel is a moron but Greg Anthony is usually solid and also John Thompson Jr is a good basketball mind.
This is not the 1st time that someone has raved about McDermott and this panel is clearly favoriting shooting as you see Gordon and Smart slip. Makes for an interesting perspective.
Egg Nog? You probably prefer cake cones over sugar cones.
Egg Nog? If we picked egg nog, we'd be great for a day, then terrible the rest of the year. Why do you want us to be terrible for a year?
Egg Nog? If we picked egg nog, we'd be great for a day, then terrible the rest of the year. Why do you want us to be terrible for a year?
If we keep the pick and make no other roster changes, the only way I'd be remotely satisfied is if the pick was Gordon, Payton, or Smart. Payton might be the most exciting if only because the Kings believed in him THAT much that they would be the ones to take him at 8 instead of risking a trade down.
I'd still prefer Gordon out of those three I mentioned, but I'd take any of them and be OK with it.
If we take McDermott and do nothing else I might lose my mind.
I'd still prefer Gordon out of those three I mentioned, but I'd take any of them and be OK with it.
If we take McDermott and do nothing else I might lose my mind.
This is a lot of eye of the beholder type of stuff. I'm not sure what the difference is between dribbling and ball handling, but I would actually give Smart the edge there. He's stronger and gets closer to the ground on his drives but both guys can get out of control at times.
I'd give Payton the edge on passing and court vision. Smart occasionally makes exceptional passes but he also gets tunnel vision. Payton makes smart easy passes rather than trying to force things and just generally looks the part of a dedicated distributor whereas Smart I'd say is more of an opportunistic one (similar to Tyreke in that regard).
Smart gets the edge on shooting but neither one is very good. I think Payton is better at getting to the rim but Smart is better at finishing when he gets there. Payton was #2 in NCAA in free throw attempts this season (302 attempts) which is obviously exceptional, but he's got to do a better job at converting those too (61%). Smart got to the line at about the same rate and converted 73%.
I really disagree on the defensive head-to-head. Both guys are really good, but I don't think Smart gets the edge across the board. I think you have to watch a lot of tape to really get a good idea on this, but from what I saw I'd say that Payton is the more consistent defender and he's better man-to-man at containing the ball without fouling. Smart is a really aggressive defender and used his strength advantage at every opportunity this year but that might work against him in the NBA. Both guys are exceptional at anticipating passing lanes. The only real weakness I saw with Payton is that his activity off the ball can leave him out of position on shooters. It's just a matter of him measuring his strides though and making sure his help defense doesn't take him more than two full strides away.
So I guess I would go:
Dribbling = Smart
Ball Handling = Smart
Passing = Payton
Court Vision = Payton
Shooting = Smart
Outside Shooting = EQUAL (neither is very good, Smart shoots more of them)
Taking the Ball to the Rim = EQUAL (Smart converts better at the line though)
Defense = EQUAL
Defensive Awareness = Payton
Defensive Switching = Smart
Defensive Pick and Roll = Smart
One last note on defense, I think it's close enough to call it a wash. My general impression though is that Payton is a little better at playing the ball handler and Smart is a little better at playing the floor.
I'd give Payton the edge on passing and court vision. Smart occasionally makes exceptional passes but he also gets tunnel vision. Payton makes smart easy passes rather than trying to force things and just generally looks the part of a dedicated distributor whereas Smart I'd say is more of an opportunistic one (similar to Tyreke in that regard).
Smart gets the edge on shooting but neither one is very good. I think Payton is better at getting to the rim but Smart is better at finishing when he gets there. Payton was #2 in NCAA in free throw attempts this season (302 attempts) which is obviously exceptional, but he's got to do a better job at converting those too (61%). Smart got to the line at about the same rate and converted 73%.
I really disagree on the defensive head-to-head. Both guys are really good, but I don't think Smart gets the edge across the board. I think you have to watch a lot of tape to really get a good idea on this, but from what I saw I'd say that Payton is the more consistent defender and he's better man-to-man at containing the ball without fouling. Smart is a really aggressive defender and used his strength advantage at every opportunity this year but that might work against him in the NBA. Both guys are exceptional at anticipating passing lanes. The only real weakness I saw with Payton is that his activity off the ball can leave him out of position on shooters. It's just a matter of him measuring his strides though and making sure his help defense doesn't take him more than two full strides away.
So I guess I would go:
Dribbling = Smart
Ball Handling = Smart
Passing = Payton
Court Vision = Payton
Shooting = Smart
Outside Shooting = EQUAL (neither is very good, Smart shoots more of them)
Taking the Ball to the Rim = EQUAL (Smart converts better at the line though)
Defense = EQUAL
Defensive Awareness = Payton
Defensive Switching = Smart
Defensive Pick and Roll = Smart
One last note on defense, I think it's close enough to call it a wash. My general impression though is that Payton is a little better at playing the ball handler and Smart is a little better at playing the floor.
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