Dime Dropper
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Tavares is gone. Micic is the only one I'm really interested in and I doubt the Kings FO even know who he is, so at this point, I'm going to sleep. Disappointing night. Good night all.
The Official NBA Draft Day Thread 2014 Edition
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Monster
Bench
Lets cut to the chase. Bill is downright horrible. How on earth he has a commentating job is,...well it's a sign of the times I guess
He's a fan. He has no real knowledge of anything. He tried to say that Randle was better than Vonleh because he got to the championship game. Considering Vonleh and Randle weren't the main guys on their team, that comparison makes no sense. And I don't know how many times he's brought up youtube clips and citing other articles when talking about the players.
Big Cuz 15
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good night DD. hopefully you wake up to a good sac trade lol
Hoovtrain
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Huh? That is exactly how smart teams draft. If Stauskas could have been had at say 12-16 (which i believe it many felt he would)why not trade back to that slot, accrue some more pieces while still getting your man?
kingsboi
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I think regardless if he were to declare last year or this year, he would of been a second round pick.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
Haha! OMG they're the same player!
I'm on record as saying I like Stauskas. He's a very good fit with Gay & Cousins as a guy that spreads the floor.
But that was almost the same rationale for McLemore last year especially when we thought Tyreke would be retained. Ben was a sweet shooting 3&D wing with the athleticism/potential to be more. Now he lacks the 3 and the D and we have the King's brass saying they haven't lost faith in him despite drafting someone who plays his position just a year later.
So now the Kings have a high ceiling/low floor SG who may not develop and a high floor/low ceiling (presumably) SG and even if they both pan out the Kings still haven't addressed their defensive woes, still haven't found the pass first PG to either replace IT or push him to the bench and they still haven't found the PF or C to start next to DMC and anchor the D & block shots.
I like Stauskas but he's at best a really nice role player and when the rumors have the Kings in the mix for Love, Rondo, Josh Smith etc and reports are that there are 3 deals "on the table" for draft day, not to mention all the "draft 3.0" business, crowd sourcing draft help and PDA talking about being aggressive and swinging for the fences, staying put and drafting a nice role player is a bug disappointment. Especially when he plays the same position as last year's lottery pick.
D'Alessandro chose not to tear the roster apart & rebuild in favor of trying to retool and win now. The 8th pick was the team's biggest trade asset. So where does the improvement come from now?
IT will either be resigned, signed-and-traded or let go without compensation so unless PDA has tricks up his sleeve the best case scenario has the Kings returning the same roster that won 28 games plus Stauskas. No cap room, no draft picks and no young players that could possibly become stars.
It's frustrating. And PDA may want to heed Wooden's words:
"Never mistake activity for achievement."
But that was almost the same rationale for McLemore last year especially when we thought Tyreke would be retained. Ben was a sweet shooting 3&D wing with the athleticism/potential to be more. Now he lacks the 3 and the D and we have the King's brass saying they haven't lost faith in him despite drafting someone who plays his position just a year later.
So now the Kings have a high ceiling/low floor SG who may not develop and a high floor/low ceiling (presumably) SG and even if they both pan out the Kings still haven't addressed their defensive woes, still haven't found the pass first PG to either replace IT or push him to the bench and they still haven't found the PF or C to start next to DMC and anchor the D & block shots.
I like Stauskas but he's at best a really nice role player and when the rumors have the Kings in the mix for Love, Rondo, Josh Smith etc and reports are that there are 3 deals "on the table" for draft day, not to mention all the "draft 3.0" business, crowd sourcing draft help and PDA talking about being aggressive and swinging for the fences, staying put and drafting a nice role player is a bug disappointment. Especially when he plays the same position as last year's lottery pick.
D'Alessandro chose not to tear the roster apart & rebuild in favor of trying to retool and win now. The 8th pick was the team's biggest trade asset. So where does the improvement come from now?
IT will either be resigned, signed-and-traded or let go without compensation so unless PDA has tricks up his sleeve the best case scenario has the Kings returning the same roster that won 28 games plus Stauskas. No cap room, no draft picks and no young players that could possibly become stars.
It's frustrating. And PDA may want to heed Wooden's words:
"Never mistake activity for achievement."
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HereWeBoogie
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Anyone that can make 70 out of 76 3pt shots in the rain is fine by me. I think Stauskus will be fine
ShastaKingsFan
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The only reason you wouldn't, is if you believe that some other teams picking in the 9-15 area, want him just as much as you do. Bad case scenario, to trade down and then miss your target player
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
kings fans watching Gerbil work his rodenty magic:
Livinthedream
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Probably been said before. I kinda browsed through the comments, but I don't think PDA intends to move Ben. Reading between the lines, he's trying to build a Warriors type back court. You hear it coming out of Nik's mouth and coach Malone when they talk about Klay Thompson. Obviously this is what they've been discussing behind closed doors.
When you hear Vivek talk, he says he wants to be the Spurs. When PDA talks, he says we need scoring. When Malone is not covering for a poor draft pick, he talks about defense. They are not on the same page and it's all bad.
Combine that with the fact that PDA can't close a trade when it counts and we could be in trouble.
When you hear Vivek talk, he says he wants to be the Spurs. When PDA talks, he says we need scoring. When Malone is not covering for a poor draft pick, he talks about defense. They are not on the same page and it's all bad.
Combine that with the fact that PDA can't close a trade when it counts and we could be in trouble.
Wonderfully stated.
Yes, typical NBA game situation. An undefended long 2 outdoors in the rain.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I'm not going to fault PDa for that. Hastily closing out trades for the sake of closing out trades is what leads to Kenny Thomas taking up space on your bench for half a decade. And we don't really know what was being offered in those scenarios.
Probably prepping for their press conference where Vivek and Co will spout nonsense about flexibility, how they wanted Nik all along and how they were so aggressive but nothing else panned out.
Monster
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That's not how smart NBA teams draft. That's how smart NFL teams draft. Stauskas was going to be gone in the next couple picks. No way he'd slide anywhere from 12-16. McDermott went #11 and I think that pick would have been Stauskas if he hadn't been there.
As I said, If you LOVE a player like the Kings seemed to love Nik, you take him. Don't mess around. Don't chance it. Take your guy. If there's a player that you like but there's also some others that you like, sure...go for it. drop down. Get your 2nd round pick.
But since you know more than I do, what do you think the Kings would have gotten for moving down to the 12th pick? I say it'd be likely a no-upside veteran bench player and a mid-late 2nd round pick that won't make the team. That'd be complete idiocy. As I said, debate the player they took, but you can not run a draft like that and expect to succeed.
Now, if the Kings had went hard after the Bulls' two picks, maybe I wouldn't argue with you on this. It'd be a much bigger reward.
Look what 10 get for sliding to 12.
Hallama
Starter
Yep, but we'll see if there are any other moves before making an offseason judgement. Certainly seems like the Kings had a lot of other possibilities but who knows what happened behind the scenes.
Seems like a vet would've trumped Stauskas for this team for this season. Ben may still bear fruit.
Philly just grabbed Micic. Stash or trade bait?
Entity
Hall of Famer
I believe that's much of the problem with stauskas. Nothing against the kid he may be the next klay Thompson. Just so many rumors and expectations of big deals and changes. It's a let down for sure. Then they hype up Payton so much and he is there for the taking and bam. I'm underwhelmed for sure. I'm not like some hoping we get some worthless late 2nd rounder here. I will hold out until Tuesday see what we do early in FA. If things are the same after the 4th I'm gonna wonder what they promised Rudy to make him staykings fans watching Gerbil work his rodenty magic:
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
You've got the most dominant big in the league, lets pattern ourselves after the Warriors, yay!
roasthawg
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The thing with Ben vs Stauskas is three fold imo:
1. Ben has a season in the nba under his belt... the kings have seen him close up for a year, we have more data on him then we had last year. Much more... and unfortunately most of it is not so good. Of course he's still got a lot of upside and we figured he would struggle... and struggle he did.
2. Offensively, the main thing holding Ben back in his rookie year was probably his handle. Stauskas doesn't have that problem... so imo he has a much better chance of being a solid rotational player right away.
3. It's ok to have two good young sg's. Really, it's all good. Like I said, Jamal Crawford has made a career for himself as one of the best sixth men in the league. He and Reddick both played plenty last year for LAC. Green and Ginobli did the same for the Spurs. Ray and Dwayne for the Heat. Having two sg's play 25+mpg is all good... especially complimentary types like Ben/Nik.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
Hit the nail on the head
roasthawg
Starter
Probably more shooters, better play from the sg position, and a chance to play with the best big in the game as he approaches his prime.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Had to be more than that.
Of course could have been just a limp market for him in with Melo and LeBron screwing around to boot.
In any case, Gerbil keeps on wasting his time drafting indifferent young SGs and picking up scraps on the trade market, Rudy will go. Or he certainly would if I represented him.
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