THE OFFICIAL: DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT TRADING DMC THREAD!!!

Should the Kings think about trading DMC?

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I'd love to trade for Noel. . .

if Cousins is still on the team.

In fact, I've thought that if the Kings were to land in the top three either leapfrogging the Sixers and/or pushing the Lakers pick to sixth (which means Philly gets it) then it might be worth trying to swap picks and nab Noel.

Attached is a screenshot of ESPN's lotto simulator showing one scenario where that works out. The Kings jump up to #2 with the Magic jumping to #3 pushing Philly to #5 and LA to #6. If Minny takes Okafor then I could see the Kings staying pat and grabbing Towns. If Towns goes #1 then the question is whether or not to take Russell or Okafor or trade down. If The Sixers offered the fifth or sixth pick + Noel for the #2 I think I'd jump on that. Then at 5 or 6 you either trade down again or you grab Mudiay, Winslow or Porzingis depending on who is left.

Cousins/Thompson
Noel/Landry
Gay/Casspi
McLemore/Stauskas or whoever he can net you in trade
Mudiay/Collison/Miller

is a hell of a team. Or throwing Porzingas in as the backup PF and giving him time to grow as a high risk, high reward gamble would work too. You get your athletic weakside defender in Noel and your stretch 4 in Porzingis, a guy who could ALSO grow to become an athletic weakside defender in the NBA.

Nice.

And the icing on the cake is that the Lakers miss out on a lottery pick setting them up for another terrible season next year.

Yeah, it would require a ton of luck, but regardless of how the lottery plays out I see infinitely more ways the team can get better WITH Cousins in the fold vs getting better trading him.

In fact I would challenge anyone to give me a reasonable scenario where the Kings are better next year with Boogie playing for another squad.
 

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funkykingston said:
I'd love to trade for Noel. . .

if Cousins is still on the team.

In fact, I've thought that if the Kings were to land in the top three either leapfrogging the Sixers and/or pushing the Lakers pick to sixth (which means Philly gets it) then it might be worth trying to swap picks and nab Noel.

Attached is a screenshot of ESPN's lotto simulator showing one scenario where that works out. The Kings jump up to #2 with the Magic jumping to #3 pushing Philly to #5 and LA to #6. If Minny takes Okafor then I could see the Kings staying pat and grabbing Towns. If Towns goes #1 then the question is whether or not to take Russell or Okafor or trade down. If The Sixers offered the fifth or sixth pick + Noel for the #2 I think I'd jump on that. Then at 5 or 6 you either trade down again or you grab Mudiay, Winslow or Porzingis depending on who is left.

Cousins/Thompson
Noel/Landry
Gay/Casspi
McLemore/Stauskas or whoever he can net you in trade
Mudiay/Collison/Miller

is a hell of a team. Or throwing Porzingas in as the backup PF and giving him time to grow as a high risk, high reward gamble would work too. You get your athletic weakside defender in Noel and your stretch 4 in Porzingis, a guy who could ALSO grow to become an athletic weakside defender in the NBA.

Nice.

And the icing on the cake is that the Lakers miss out on a lottery pick setting them up for another terrible season next year.

Yeah, it would require a ton of luck, but regardless of how the lottery plays out I see infinitely more ways the team can get better WITH Cousins in the fold vs getting better trading him.

In fact I would challenge anyone to give me a reasonable scenario where the Kings are better next year with Boogie playing for another squad.
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I like Noel, but if I'm at number two, I have to see who goes number one before I make the trade. If Okafor goes one, then screw Noel, I take Towns who I think will be a better player than Noel. To be honest, I'm not sure that Noel will be any better than WCS. Maybe offensively, but not defensively. I'd be more inclined to trade down with Philly, exchanging firsts with them and then prying another pick out of them. But however you look at it, it would be a nice problem to have.
 
bajaden said:
I like Noel, but if I'm at number two, I have to see who goes number one before I make the trade. If Okafor goes one, then screw Noel, I take Towns who I think will be a better player than Noel. To be honest, I'm not sure that Noel will be any better than WCS. Maybe offensively, but not defensively. I'd be more inclined to trade down with Philly, exchanging firsts with them and then prying another pick out of them. But however you look at it, it would be a nice problem to have.
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Which is why I said if Okafor went first the Kings might well stay put and take Towns. That said, is Towns better than Noel + the 5th pick in this draft? Or is Towns better than the 5th AND 6th picks in this draft? Mudiay and WCS would be a nice combo although, like you, I haven't seen enough on Mudiay to really say if he's the real deal.

Either way, (1) the Kings jumping up into the top 3 could be HUGE this year and (2) even if they don't, there are players in this draft that can help the team build around Boogie and getting better instead of trading him and getting worse.
 
funkykingston said:
I'd love to trade for Noel. . .

if Cousins is still on the team.

In fact, I've thought that if the Kings were to land in the top three either leapfrogging the Sixers and/or pushing the Lakers pick to sixth (which means Philly gets it) then it might be worth trying to swap picks and nab Noel.

Attached is a screenshot of ESPN's lotto simulator showing one scenario where that works out. The Kings jump up to #2 with the Magic jumping to #3 pushing Philly to #5 and LA to #6. If Minny takes Okafor then I could see the Kings staying pat and grabbing Towns. If Towns goes #1 then the question is whether or not to take Russell or Okafor or trade down. If The Sixers offered the fifth or sixth pick + Noel for the #2 I think I'd jump on that. Then at 5 or 6 you either trade down again or you grab Mudiay, Winslow or Porzingis depending on who is left.

Cousins/Thompson
Noel/Landry
Gay/Casspi
McLemore/Stauskas or whoever he can net you in trade
Mudiay/Collison/Miller

is a hell of a team. Or throwing Porzingas in as the backup PF and giving him time to grow as a high risk, high reward gamble would work too. You get your athletic weakside defender in Noel and your stretch 4 in Porzingis, a guy who could ALSO grow to become an athletic weakside defender in the NBA.

Nice.

And the icing on the cake is that the Lakers miss out on a lottery pick setting them up for another terrible season next year.

Yeah, it would require a ton of luck, but regardless of how the lottery plays out I see infinitely more ways the team can get better WITH Cousins in the fold vs getting better trading him.

In fact I would challenge anyone to give me a reasonable scenario where the Kings are better next year with Boogie playing for another squad.
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Yeah, this is my dream scenario as well. Getting Noel and another pick in the top 10 would set us up very well for next season. I actually have Mudiay number 1 on my wishlist now, so that's a no-brainer if we can get Mudiay and Noel. If Mudiay isn't on the board anymore at 5 or 6, I think the next best option is Stanley Johnson who I have rated way higher than most draft experts -- he's #2 on my wishlist. With Stanley Johnson and Nerlens Noel we would have a great mix of scoring and defense in our starting lineup and we'd have an ideal backup for Rudy Gay who we can groom as his eventual replacement. Can't go wrong with either of those guys though.
 
hrdboild said:
Yeah, this is my dream scenario as well. Getting Noel and another pick in the top 10 would set us up very well for next season. I actually have Mudiay number 1 on my wishlist now, so that's a no-brainer if we can get Mudiay and Noel. If Mudiay isn't on the board anymore at 5 or 6, I think the next best option is Stanley Johnson who I have rated way higher than most draft experts -- he's #2 on my wishlist. With Stanley Johnson and Nerlens Noel we would have a great mix of scoring and defense in our starting lineup and we'd have an ideal backup for Rudy Gay who we can groom as his eventual replacement. Can't go wrong with either of those guys though.
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Mudiay seems like a better fit with the Kings roster as he could learn behind Collison and eventually challenge him for the starting job giving us a VERY good starter/backup PG tandem with the added bonus that Andre Miller could help develop the kid in his last (?) NBA season. But Winslow or Johnson could help the Kings a lot too. It would likely mean Casspi doesn't return but either guy gives a backup SF and a guy that lets the Kings go big (Rudy/Winslow or Johnson at wings) or gives a full sized and defensive SF when the Kings move Gay to the PF spot.

I just hope for once we can have an impactful draft, good decisions in terms of signings and trades and I can actually go into next season excited. Honestly that's all I even want from the Kings anymore. Give me a reason to cheer and not another 82 games of frustration and reasons to drink.
 
From the newest Voisin article:

And while Cousins has been mentioned in several trade rumors the past several days, and privately and publicly has complained about playing in an up-tempo system, the Kings have no plans to move their fifth-year center. Divac is embracing his star and determined to facilitate an enduring, successful union.

“DeMarcus is here,” Divac said forcefully. “It’s a process of growing up. And I really believe that, behind that shield of his, he is a really good guy. I want to create a healthy environment where we trust each other, and I want to see him in a situation when he’s winning games. What, five losing seasons? Winning changes everything. Like I told DeMarcus, he played so great for coach George. It will only get better when we get him more help.”
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Lots of other good stuff in the article but i felt that part was perfect for this thread

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ailene-voisin/article18729891.html#storylink=cpy





http://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ailene-voisin/article18729891.html
 
I think this is the year where there will be no more excuses for the Kings.

History books will not care about how sucky Demarcus's teammates have been for the past 4 years. They will ALWAYS note the fact that he hasn't been in the playoffs. I won't even be upset if Cuz doesn't get on the ALL NBA or wins DPOY. In the NBA, the only things that matter are wins. It's weird how certain people are campaigning Cuz to win DPOY, and just the other night Westbrook won the NBA's scoring champion and he didn't give a shoot. I guess the
"winning mentality" doesn't translate to the fans neither.




It boggles my mind that more than a quarter of he fans will leave if Cousins is traded.


Also puzzles me that people would rather cheer for a certain player to win a meaningless title/award rather than overall team success. Boogie's All Star campaign was bigger than the team's overall campaign.

I think all of these are interesting observations from afar.

We have to start winning. I know I'm not the only one who's tired of losing. I don't there should be any excuses next season for why we AREN'T in the playoffs. We have a HOF coach, top 3 center, top 10 SF, and a 2015 lottery pick that will most likely be our highest selection since DeMarcus himself. I'll be pretty disappointed if we end up with anything under 40 wins.

Vlade and Karl have a hell of an offseason. I put trust in Karl, and I hope Vlade can come through with his promises.
 
Merdiesel said:
Grant saying that Cousins for Lawson and Faried would be a tough decision makes my ****ing blood boil.

How could someone whose job has been nothing but basketball for 30 years even consider a trade like that?

Cousins is the next great big man. Grant talks about 28 wins every year like its all on Cousins. I'd like to see a 23 year old Duncan deal with all the bull**** this kid has had to deal with from new coaches, to constant shuffling of team mates to ownership nightmares... Give me a break. Put an actual team around this guy and you are giving our best shot in years at not just playoffs but a championship.
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One thing that worries me is that Grant, throughout his career has been an ass kissing, self interested team's mouth piece so when the ****wit starts talking about it, it gets me super nervous. He is a propaganda machine for the franchise. Always has been and always will be. Its just the type of block head that he is.
 
Grants pal Vlade or his boss Vivek must have told him something recently. I was wondering why Grant was so adamant yesterday about the Kings will not be trading DMC
 
Here is my opinion on this "pace" thing.

There one part of "pace" that I like and one part only -- fast break points. Earlier in the year, we were looking for the post-up/isolation far too often to recognize fast break opportunities.

That said, I'll still advocate that we need to run our offense through DMC/Rudy post-up/isolation. These should be our initial threats, much like how a post hook is the initial threat of a post player which opens up opportunities for different kinds of post moves. In our case, it would be different kinds of plays. For example, there could be a play that looks like it will lead into a DMC post-up but actually is meant to get BMac a wide open shot, predicated on the opponents' defense wanting to stop Cousins. In another example, the opponent may even begin to use a zone defense, which generally opens shots on the perimeter.
 
Hoovtrain said:
Grants pal Vlade or his boss Vivek must have told him something recently. I was wondering why Grant was so adamant yesterday about the Kings will not be trading DMC
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Horrible PR; maybe its just to keep us entertained over the offseason?

If I were them, I would save this drama for later, and let the fans focus on the playoffs. After tha playoffs, yes, let this drama unfold.

Either way, horrible PR.
 
Čarolija said:
Vlade saving us from our own madness!
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Unquestionably Vlade is saying all the right things. And I definitely believe he can create a cohesive and team oriented front office. That article actually gave me a good degree of hope moving forward. Especially the bit about acquiring a "lanky frontcourt defender". Also nice to hear him talk about getting Boogie some help rather than the "we'll have to explore every avenue" or "every player is available in trades if it improves the team" cliches.
 
funkykingston said:
I had some doubt about Collison as a starting PG but he really looked like the right fit for a Gay and Boogie led team. Pesky defender, willing passer, nice midrange jumper, decent outside shooter and a guy who not only bought into his role but looked to be a definite plus for team chemistry. While Lawson is a better player I'd be upset if we traded Collison for Lawson both in terms of fit and especially in terms of salary difference.
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If Denver was situated in the draft to pick Okafor or Towns and they included that pick in the deal, I'd do it. But yeah, the deal, as stated makes no sense.
 
Grant remains a total idiot. No shock there. He doesn't know a damn thing about the NBA if he's pushing a cousins trade. Glad his bosses corrected him.

Looks like he got the message to stfu if he wants to keep his job. This seems to happen several times a year.

As for PDA, ball is in your court. Vlade says something nice, now you say something nice. No more no comments. Pretend, for our sake, it's going to work.

Vlade can charm PDA. The question is, can you ever trust PDA?

I know my answer. But as long as PDA is neutered, we are all better off.

As for on the court moves, Vlade seems to be describing Draymond Green. Vlade needs a Doug Christie. Draymond is close enough.
 
Hoovtrain said:
Grants pal Vlade or his boss Vivek must have told him something recently. I was wondering why Grant was so adamant yesterday about the Kings will not be trading DMC
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I bet the Kings FO caught wind of all the uproar from the rumors of DMC possibly getting traded and they probably found out that Grant was stroking the fire on his talk show, so they probably told him to stop it.

I'm pretty sure the FO have people monitoring these Kings fans websites and they are starting to realize that they need to squash any DMC rumors quickly. And that starts at their flagship station and their announcer.

Grant probably peed in his pants when the FO came down on him and his DMC trade speculation from his talk show.
 
Well, people wanted to see a quick reaction from FO, and while there was no PC, that Brick demanded, Voisin got quotes for the article and Grant was shut down. All well, that ends well, I guess...
 
funkykingston said:
I'd love to trade for Noel. . .

if Cousins is still on the team.

In fact, I've thought that if the Kings were to land in the top three either leapfrogging the Sixers and/or pushing the Lakers pick to sixth (which means Philly gets it) then it might be worth trying to swap picks and nab Noel.

Attached is a screenshot of ESPN's lotto simulator showing one scenario where that works out. The Kings jump up to #2 with the Magic jumping to #3 pushing Philly to #5 and LA to #6. If Minny takes Okafor then I could see the Kings staying pat and grabbing Towns. If Towns goes #1 then the question is whether or not to take Russell or Okafor or trade down. If The Sixers offered the fifth or sixth pick + Noel for the #2 I think I'd jump on that. Then at 5 or 6 you either trade down again or you grab Mudiay, Winslow or Porzingis depending on who is left.

Cousins/Thompson
Noel/Landry
Gay/Casspi
McLemore/Stauskas or whoever he can net you in trade
Mudiay/Collison/Miller

is a hell of a team. Or throwing Porzingas in as the backup PF and giving him time to grow as a high risk, high reward gamble would work too. You get your athletic weakside defender in Noel and your stretch 4 in Porzingis, a guy who could ALSO grow to become an athletic weakside defender in the NBA.

Nice.

And the icing on the cake is that the Lakers miss out on a lottery pick setting them up for another terrible season next year.

Yeah, it would require a ton of luck, but regardless of how the lottery plays out I see infinitely more ways the team can get better WITH Cousins in the fold vs getting better trading him.

In fact I would challenge anyone to give me a reasonable scenario where the Kings are better next year with Boogie playing for another squad.
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I like your line of thinking. Now that they seemed poised (hopefully) to keep DMC...PHI might be an ideal trading partner to nab one of their shot blocking bigs..depending on where this pick lands. They have a glut of them and LOVE draft picks, so this could be beneficial to both sides.
 
HereWeBoogie said:
From the newest Voisin article:




Lots of other good stuff in the article but i felt that part was perfect for this thread

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ailene-voisin/article18729891.html#storylink=cpy





http://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ailene-voisin/article18729891.html
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Every time Vlade opens his mouth I feel better.

It's pretty rad that we have a 7 footer high up in the FO. If anyone knows the value of a dominant big, it's the guy who had to go toe to toe with Shaq in the playoffs.

I'm hoping that Karl tinkers with his system this summer in a way that will adapt to Cuz. Maybe slow it down when he's on the court, and speed it up for easy buckets when he's on the bench? Who knows.... Karl has never had a player like Cousins, it remains to be seen if he's still adaptable, or set in his ways. His quotes about working in bits of the "Malone system" leaves room for optimism on this front.

Anyways, we have a voice of reason in the FO now.... let's hope he's heard.

I'm also on the trade for Noel bandwagon. Dude is a savant on defense. Too skinny to hold his own in the post, but his block and steals numbers are ridiculous. That's obviously best case. Taj and WCS are realistic targets though.
 
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Endlessly tiring. Much ado about nothing. Moving on, things are looking up. The FO team is taking a long weekend and will be back next week full of P and V.
 
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