The Kings and Freeagency:
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Two years to make a deep run or impress Paul with Griffin's uberness. Big gamble of course, but this is by far the most aggressive/trying to win I've ever seen the Clippers. If Paul and Griffin go all Stockton and Malone in the next couple of years, you could have the shocking development of the Lakers eclipsed in their own market for a while.
Right now the Clippers future looks a lot brighter than the Lakers.
And if Howard ends up in Orlando, New Jersey, or Dallas, then the Lakers are going to be hitting the lottery soon.
People need to be reminded that Gasol is costing the Lakers about 19mil/year for the next three years. That's a bit over 1/3rd of a team's available cap-space and he's not getting any younger. If the Lakers aren't able to land Howard and can't trade Gasol's monster contract they are going to be stuck with both Kobe and Gasol making a combined 43-50mil/year for the next 3 years. And that core is just getting older while the contracts get less and less appealing.
In two years when CP3's contract runs out and he is able to re-sign both Kobe and Gasol will be in the last year of their deals, which means huge expirings and I wouldn't be surprised if they both get traded. Kobe will be 35 and Gasol will be 33 so no-one is going to commit long-term to either for huge deals after their current contracts finish.
So unless they can flip either of them for a superstar bigger than Griffin, it's very unlikely that CP3 would be willing to sign with the Lakers.
Now, if the Lakers can get Howard, then that changes the entire dynamic of the Laker's future.
At the moment I think if Howard is traded, that he'll be traded to New Jersey. It's my gut feeling because New Jersey is going to be the most desparate team out there. If they can't sign Howard then they will lose Deron Williams. For them it's either going to be 2 star players or no star players, and I don't think Prokhorov is going to settle for losing out.
So my guess is that any negotiations with the Magic will be something akin to: "Tell me what offer you're considering from another team, and I'll make sure I can beat it."
I think there's still a 10/15% change Howard stays with the Magic, but if he's traded, I see him landing in New Jersey.
And if Howard ends up in Orlando, New Jersey, or Dallas, then the Lakers are going to be hitting the lottery soon.
People need to be reminded that Gasol is costing the Lakers about 19mil/year for the next three years. That's a bit over 1/3rd of a team's available cap-space and he's not getting any younger. If the Lakers aren't able to land Howard and can't trade Gasol's monster contract they are going to be stuck with both Kobe and Gasol making a combined 43-50mil/year for the next 3 years. And that core is just getting older while the contracts get less and less appealing.
In two years when CP3's contract runs out and he is able to re-sign both Kobe and Gasol will be in the last year of their deals, which means huge expirings and I wouldn't be surprised if they both get traded. Kobe will be 35 and Gasol will be 33 so no-one is going to commit long-term to either for huge deals after their current contracts finish.
So unless they can flip either of them for a superstar bigger than Griffin, it's very unlikely that CP3 would be willing to sign with the Lakers.
Now, if the Lakers can get Howard, then that changes the entire dynamic of the Laker's future.
At the moment I think if Howard is traded, that he'll be traded to New Jersey. It's my gut feeling because New Jersey is going to be the most desparate team out there. If they can't sign Howard then they will lose Deron Williams. For them it's either going to be 2 star players or no star players, and I don't think Prokhorov is going to settle for losing out.
So my guess is that any negotiations with the Magic will be something akin to: "Tell me what offer you're considering from another team, and I'll make sure I can beat it."
I think there's still a 10/15% change Howard stays with the Magic, but if he's traded, I see him landing in New Jersey.
My speculation on Petrie's "strategy" is that if he didn't think it was feasible to get a star, he'd wait for most of the bank of other teams to be spent so he could get value on secondary players such as Hayes, Dalembert, Kirilenko, Crawford, and others. It's similar to being at an auction and sitting there doing nothing while everyone goes crazy at the beginning of the auction overspending, just waiting til the very end to clean up on value. It sure is fascinating to me that Dalembert is still out there when all the other bigs are gone. By implication, his market value isn't that high. It's going to be very interesting to see what he signs for.
Put Up or Shut Up
It's time to give Dalembert and Kirilenko an ultimatum: sign today, or the Kings go elsewhere. There is no reason now for the delay. All the cards should be on the table from all the teams that are interested in these players. The only thing that appears to be holding up the process is their own indecision. So decide already. The season is only about a week away.
It's time to give Dalembert and Kirilenko an ultimatum: sign today, or the Kings go elsewhere. There is no reason now for the delay. All the cards should be on the table from all the teams that are interested in these players. The only thing that appears to be holding up the process is their own indecision. So decide already. The season is only about a week away.
Yeah, especially when there's really no one left of value but AK and Dalembert to pursue at this point. If they were holding us up from going after other players I'd say give them an ultimatum but they aren't. They should up the offer though to see if that gets them to bite. If AK is considering signing for 8$ million, offer him 9$ million to seal the deal.
Kobe will be two years older. He already has a lot of wear and tear on his body. Gasol is no spring chicken either. Odom is gone. Just what will be the attraction that will lure him to the other lockerroom. The Clippers have a young team on the rise. The Lakers have an old team on the way down. Your in LA either way. Hell, it might be more likely that Kobe moves to the other lockerroom.
http://www.sbnation.com/2011-nba-fr...free-agents-2011-rodney-stuckey-arron-afflalo
This is who is available in free agency. Pretty good article
This is who is available in free agency. Pretty good article
Thanks. There are 3 people we should be looking at and I think it is possible to get two of the three depending on a variety of things. There are the ones we know of, Daly and AK47 but you can toss in Kris Humphries. Somebody already mentioned that. Humphries might come cheap but can rebound and block the occasional shot.
People are impatient bordering on whiny (
) about how slow the Kings seem to be moving but there is major talent still available and if they are trying to get two of them, that's great and to me excuses what seems to be a lack of activity. With Hayes having an unclear future, Humphries has to be added to the mix as a potential starter. (I'll let the big guys sort out who starts)
People are impatient bordering on whiny (
) about how slow the Kings seem to be moving but there is major talent still available and if they are trying to get two of them, that's great and to me excuses what seems to be a lack of activity. With Hayes having an unclear future, Humphries has to be added to the mix as a potential starter. (I'll let the big guys sort out who starts)
Thanks. There are 3 people we should be looking at and I think it is possible to get two of the three depending on a variety of things. There are the ones we know of, Daly and AK47 but you can toss in Kris Humphries. Somebody already mentioned that. Humphries might come cheap but can rebound and block the occasional shot.
People are impatient bordering on whiny ( ) about how slow the Kings seem to be moving but there is major talent still available and if they are trying to get two of them, that's great and to me excuses what seems to be a lack of activity. With Hayes having an unclear future, Humphries has to be added to the mix as a potential starter. (I'll let the big guys sort out who starts)
People are impatient bordering on whiny (
) about how slow the Kings seem to be moving but there is major talent still available and if they are trying to get two of them, that's great and to me excuses what seems to be a lack of activity. With Hayes having an unclear future, Humphries has to be added to the mix as a potential starter. (I'll let the big guys sort out who starts)
We've already got 4 rotation quality guys, and Humphries doesn't really change anything. All of our guys are good rebounders, only the stubby one is a great defender. Humphries would just be a more expensive version of what we already have. The one thing we need up there is, well, Dalembert. The long shotblocker to anchor the defense. Otherside we've gto plenty of quality bigs, and 1 star big at least, and at the moment it all comes very cheap.
Absolutely agree! We have a lot of depth albeit no shotblockers aside from Whiteside who will not play much this season! We don't need to sign a frontcourt player for the sake of it. If we are ending someone then he needs to be a genuine shotblocker!
With each passing day, I am more convinced that Kirilenko is not leaving Russia and I would like us to bring Dalembert back but that also seems unlikely with each passing day! If Hayes' condition is career threatening then we have no defensive presence in the paint and that is not a good place to be in having spent a great deal of salary cap room!
With each passing day, I am more convinced that Kirilenko is not leaving Russia and I would like us to bring Dalembert back but that also seems unlikely with each passing day! If Hayes' condition is career threatening then we have no defensive presence in the paint and that is not a good place to be in having spent a great deal of salary cap room!
Just imagine the bind Petrie and the Kings are in right now. Don't know if they have Hayes, don't know if AK will come or when. Don't know how long Dalembert will be out there. Watching the few remaining bigs of any value slip away. It's not a very comfortable position. I hope they get a break or can make something happen.
I agree wholeheartedly but if Hayes' heart is bad, it all doesn't look so rosey. Humphries is probably better that JT and Hickson as a simple minded Minnesotan banger. He is a role player. In any case, if Hayes' heart proves to be as solid as his defense, we are OK. I definitely want Daly before Humphries. I was just trying to think of getting two of the three. It's not impossible and although Čarolija is concerned about the time it is taking, I, in my typical optimistic way, see the fact that time is passing as possibily indicating that we are enticing AK by signing another guy with him. It can be done financially if Garcia is amnestied. To explain further, the typical 4/40 contract does NOT mean that the first year's contract is $10 mil but more like $8.5. The number crunchers can tell me how this might work in real life but I think it can work.
As Daly has made his big money and probably donated a lot of it to Haiti and AK already is donating all his present Russian contract to charity, it may be that neither guy has money on his mind as much as the aveage NBA guy. Hey, just thinkin'.
Disclaimer: I am using this only as a reference and not saying anyone should be signed to 4/40.
This would be the kind of move that would excite most fans, even the casual ones, and the arena needs to be filled. It would prove that the Maloofs are serious and it would be a group of guys that could be fighting for at least a conference championship fairly soon. As the Lakers age, we get better.
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Further query: if Hayes has a career ending problem, does his money get freed up and we have more cap room?
As Daly has made his big money and probably donated a lot of it to Haiti and AK already is donating all his present Russian contract to charity, it may be that neither guy has money on his mind as much as the aveage NBA guy. Hey, just thinkin'.
Disclaimer: I am using this only as a reference and not saying anyone should be signed to 4/40.
This would be the kind of move that would excite most fans, even the casual ones, and the arena needs to be filled. It would prove that the Maloofs are serious and it would be a group of guys that could be fighting for at least a conference championship fairly soon. As the Lakers age, we get better.
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Further query: if Hayes has a career ending problem, does his money get freed up and we have more cap room?
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I agree wholeheartedly but if Hayes' heart is bad, it all doesn't look so rosey. Humphries is probably better that JT and Hickson as a simple minded Minnesotan banger. He is a role player. In any case, if Hayes' heart proves to be as solid as his defense, we are OK. I definitely want Daly before Humphries. I was just trying to think of getting two of the three. It's not impossible and although Čarolija is concerned about the time it is taking, I, in my typical optimistic way, see the fact that time is passing as possibily indicating that we are enticing AK by signing another guy with him. It can be done financially if Garcia is amnestied. To explain further, the typical 4/40 contract does NOT mean that the first year's contract is $10 mil but more like $8.5. The number crunchers can tell me how this might work in real life but I think it can work.
As Daly has made his big money and probably donated a lot of it to Haiti and AK already is donating all his present Russian contract to charity, it may be that neither guy has money on his mind as much as the aveage NBA guy. Hey, just thinkin'.
Disclaimer: I am using this only as a reference and not saying anyone should be signed to 4/40.
This would be the kind of move that would excite most fans, even the casual ones, and the arena needs to be filled. It would prove that the Maloofs are serious and it would be a group of guys that could be fighting for at least a conference championship fairly soon. As the Lakers age, we get better.
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Further query: if Hayes has a career ending problem, does his money get freed up and we have more cap room?
As Daly has made his big money and probably donated a lot of it to Haiti and AK already is donating all his present Russian contract to charity, it may be that neither guy has money on his mind as much as the aveage NBA guy. Hey, just thinkin'.
Disclaimer: I am using this only as a reference and not saying anyone should be signed to 4/40.
This would be the kind of move that would excite most fans, even the casual ones, and the arena needs to be filled. It would prove that the Maloofs are serious and it would be a group of guys that could be fighting for at least a conference championship fairly soon. As the Lakers age, we get better.
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Further query: if Hayes has a career ending problem, does his money get freed up and we have more cap room?
Amnesty period ended yesterday so garcia is here for a while and the chances of signing both ak and dally are a little slimmer though not impossible.
I agree wholeheartedly but if Hayes' heart is bad, it all doesn't look so rosey. Humphries is probably better that JT and Hickson as a simple minded Minnesotan banger. He is a role player. In any case, if Hayes' heart proves to be as solid as his defense, we are OK. I definitely want Daly before Humphries. I was just trying to think of getting two of the three. It's not impossible and although Čarolija is concerned about the time it is taking, I, in my typical optimistic way, see the fact that time is passing as possibily indicating that we are enticing AK by signing another guy with him. It can be done financially if Garcia is amnestied. To explain further, the typical 4/40 contract does NOT mean that the first year's contract is $10 mil but more like $8.5. The number crunchers can tell me how this might work in real life but I think it can work.
As Daly has made his big money and probably donated a lot of it to Haiti and AK already is donating all his present Russian contract to charity, it may be that neither guy has money on his mind as much as the aveage NBA guy. Hey, just thinkin'.
Disclaimer: I am using this only as a reference and not saying anyone should be signed to 4/40.
This would be the kind of move that would excite most fans, even the casual ones, and the arena needs to be filled. It would prove that the Maloofs are serious and it would be a group of guys that could be fighting for at least a conference championship fairly soon. As the Lakers age, we get better.
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Further query: if Hayes has a career ending problem, does his money get freed up and we have more cap room?
As Daly has made his big money and probably donated a lot of it to Haiti and AK already is donating all his present Russian contract to charity, it may be that neither guy has money on his mind as much as the aveage NBA guy. Hey, just thinkin'.
Disclaimer: I am using this only as a reference and not saying anyone should be signed to 4/40.
This would be the kind of move that would excite most fans, even the casual ones, and the arena needs to be filled. It would prove that the Maloofs are serious and it would be a group of guys that could be fighting for at least a conference championship fairly soon. As the Lakers age, we get better.
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Further query: if Hayes has a career ending problem, does his money get freed up and we have more cap room?
I have ready comments from some posters that if they were Kirilenko, they would want to play in the best league in the world. Well guess what?! He has for the past decade and he is one guy that has always said he would love to finish his career in Russia with the team he grew up with (CSKA). He has been there, done that and been successful while doing it. He was not a bit player n his team, sure he hasn't won a ring but neither have a lot of players. I am sure that when he wins the Euroleague title with CSKA, and I think they are a very strong chance this year, he would celebrate just as hard as he would if it was an NBA title. Quite possibly, it would mean more to him because its with the team he grew up with, loves with all of his heart and bleeds for that club. There is a cultural difference that a lot of people might not understand and thats fine but Kirilenko is the sort of guy that feels like he has had a good career and wants to end on his terms.
As for amnestying Garcia, won't happen! The amnesty deadline passed yesterday!
I don't disagree but I am an avid follower of Euroleague because my team plays in it but I also keep an eye on the team that has other Serbian players on it. CSKA Moscow is at the top of that list because it has 2 Serbians in their starting 5 and as a result from everything that I have read or heard this year, Kirilenko is not in a hurry to make a move back to the USA. If anything, for him, the lockout has made the decision for him. Like I keep saying the offer to him would have to be unbelievably good for him to leave CSKA. To say he loves it there would be an understatement.
I have ready comments from some posters that if they were Kirilenko, they would want to play in the best league in the world. Well guess what?! He has for the past decade and he is one guy that has always said he would love to finish his career in Russia with the team he grew up with (CSKA). He has been there, done that and been successful while doing it. He was not a bit player n his team, sure he hasn't won a ring but neither have a lot of players. I am sure that when he wins the Euroleague title with CSKA, and I think they are a very strong chance this year, he would celebrate just as hard as he would if it was an NBA title. Quite possibly, it would mean more to him because its with the team he grew up with, loves with all of his heart and bleeds for that club. There is a cultural difference that a lot of people might not understand and thats fine but Kirilenko is the sort of guy that feels like he has had a good career and wants to end on his terms.
As for amnestying Garcia, won't happen! The amnesty deadline passed yesterday!
I have ready comments from some posters that if they were Kirilenko, they would want to play in the best league in the world. Well guess what?! He has for the past decade and he is one guy that has always said he would love to finish his career in Russia with the team he grew up with (CSKA). He has been there, done that and been successful while doing it. He was not a bit player n his team, sure he hasn't won a ring but neither have a lot of players. I am sure that when he wins the Euroleague title with CSKA, and I think they are a very strong chance this year, he would celebrate just as hard as he would if it was an NBA title. Quite possibly, it would mean more to him because its with the team he grew up with, loves with all of his heart and bleeds for that club. There is a cultural difference that a lot of people might not understand and thats fine but Kirilenko is the sort of guy that feels like he has had a good career and wants to end on his terms.
As for amnestying Garcia, won't happen! The amnesty deadline passed yesterday!
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The Sacramento Kings have claimed ex-Net Travis Outlaw with a bid off amnesty waivers, league sources tell Y! Sports. OOH i like it!
The Sacramento Kings have claimed ex-Net Travis Outlaw with a bid off amnesty waivers, league sources tell Y! Sports. OOH i like it!
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What a joke. We finally have money to spend so what do we do? We lose Sammy, and pick up Hayes and Outlaw. WOW! Thanks Maloofs! You really know how to keep your promises. Sammy alone is > Hayes/Outlaw. If we resign Sammy and AK then I'll eat my words but it's looking like this free agency thing is a huge BUST.