The Irony of All Ironies... if it happens (Magliore trade) (merged)

Really don't understand it.

They're not in need of another PG...and Blake is only making 1 million.

Skinner is still under contract for another season, so, it's not as if they're wanting cap relief as of this moment.

Must think Jin has a lot of promise...???
 
They said they wanted a third PG. Blake's not a third PG, but a solid back-up PG, and a starter in the right situation. Skinner is a decent back-up big that doesn't need much catering to.
 
Kings113 said:
They said they wanted a third PG. Blake's not a third PG, but a solid back-up PG, and a starter in the right situation. Skinner is a decent back-up big that doesn't need much catering to.
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Hmmm...not sure why they want a 3rd PG...

I thought they could have got more for their money, so to speak.

Maybe they have another trade in mind down the road.

They should have attempted to trade Simmons awful contract.
 
Well, Harris said he wanted depth at PG. Mo Williams/Bell/Blake is a very solid PG-crop. Williams/Bell can play SG also, especially Bell because of his height/defense/strength/scoring ability.
 
Blake certainly isn't comparable to Hart. He was part of the reason Telfair (who I don't think is that great but who was drafted high and has potential) was considered expendable. I still don't think management in Portland has a clue what direction they're going in and this trade doesn't make a lot of sense for either team. But Skinner and Blake is a much better deal than Skinner and Hart.
 
The Racine Journal Times in Wisconsin reports that the Milwaukee Bucks have verbally agreed to deal the veteran centre Jamaal Magloire to the Portland Trail Blazers for guard Steve Blake, forward Brian Skinner and center Ha Seung-Jin.

According to the paper's website, the trade hasn't been officially announced and, barring one of the players failing to pass a physical exam or some other unforeseen snag, won't be formally approved until Monday.
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http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=551755
 
The Blazers:

Jarrett Jack/Dickau/Sergio
Brandon Roy/Juan Dixon/Webster
Darius Miles (seems to be staying)/Travis Outlaw/Webster
Randolph (Aldridge possibly)/Aldridge
Jamaal Magloire/Joel Pryzbilla

Portland has one of the best center spots in the league - for a year anyways :). Good young talent - Roy's gonna be a stud, really like Jack and Outlaw, and think Webster has nice talent and potential, just needs the time. A quality young back-court.

Freeland won't be around until 1 or 2 years.

At least they're looking to be a more competitive team than last year.
 
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Kings113 said:
The Blazers:

Jarrett Jack/Dickau/Sergio
Brandon Roy/Juan Dixon/Webster
Darius Miles (seems to be staying)/Travis Outlaw/Webster
Aldridge or Randolph/Aldridge
Jamaal Magloire/Joel Pryzbilla
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If summer league is any indication, the Blazers may also be looking at putting Roy at the point for stretches, giving Webster more time at the off guard spot.
 
Magloire is so overrated who wants him? he's been a underachiever his whole career let them Blazers have them they still suck.
 
Magloire's a bottom top ten center in this league (so is Brad Miller), and was an all-star once. Had a lowish year with the Bucks because Magloire didn't fit into the Bucks system. He also wasn't a main focus or main option there, as Bogut/Redd/Ford/Mo Williams/Simmons were all ahead of him. Specifically Bogut, being the #1 pick, and the prospect he is.

Magloire was a mid-teen draft pick in a weak draft, not a lottery pick.

From what was reported by the Milwaukee media, the Kings were one of the teams wanting him. So did I.
 
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How is a non lottery 7pt and 5reb center in college who became a 9pt 8reb center in the nba, an underacheiver?

Kings113 said:
Magloire's a bottom top ten center in this league (so is Brad Miller),
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The status of centers in the NBA is so poor I can barely think of 10 good centers without having to look at a list of rosters.

Top tier:

*Shaq (this is how bad things are, a Shaq in his twilight is the top tier).
*Yao (Played gressive last season before breaking his foot, averaged 20 10).
*Not going to count Amare in this list because I think playing center was an abbreviation in his career.


The rest (no order):

*Camby (Despite his injuries and frame he is a defensive anchor).
*Kaman
*Miller (He is middle of the line in top 10, this is how sad the center situation is).
*Magloire
*Ilgauskas
*Wallace

Bottom of the top tier:

*Dalembert
*Chandler (These players seem to only score from open dunks and putbacks, Play poor on man defense, and pretty much are there to rebound when they don't get into foul trouble.)

I'm not counting Gasol or Duncan since they seem to 'hide out' at the 4 postion.
 
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ezekielbear said:
Yes, Blake is much better then Hart. Still...with a pick or another small piece, it's a similar enough trade IMO.
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Well if they wanted a dependable backup point guard who can spot start we don't have one right now. My point is I don't think it was Skinner that sealed this deal and since Magloire was on the block for most of last season I'm sure Petrie tried that trade already.
 
We could have drafted Marcus Williams and send it along with Skinner if he was still available, that would have been as good as a trade than what's going on
 
Not doing anything, however, is the end of any hope of contending. And the pickings get slimmer and slimmer by the day.
 
We tried to get Magloire, we were denied. Get over it. :)

Wright/Cato/Olowokandi are still out there as bigs who would help with what is needed in the front-court.

Trades? Who knows what can happen, what Petrie has in mind. Time is still in the favor.
 
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Not doing anything, however, is the end of any hope of contending. And the pickings get slimmer and slimmer by the day.
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We may already be beyond the contention point barring something major.

I would classify the picking as pretty much non-existent at this point as far as obviously available pieces/free agents. Maybe Wilcox I guess. Otherwise the type of guys we could still sign like Wright, Cato, Kandi are jsut depth moves, not impact moves.

Will agree though that there is only a limited number of interior defending/rebounding bigs in the league. A very finite number actually. And as each one moves, that's one less possibility for us. Which eventually could result in more patchwork "we have to do it as a team" platitudes as we get our butt kicked inside yet agian.
 
Bricklayer said:
Will agree though that there is only a limited number of interior defending/rebounding bigs in the league. A very finite number actually. And as each one moves, that's one less possibility for us. Which eventually could result in more patchwork "we have to do it as a team" platitudes as we get our butt kicked inside yet agian.
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That is why I was disapppionted that we did not go after the ones that were avaible like Darko and Magliore. We could have offered bonzi for Darko or Magliore last year.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Which eventually could result in more patchwork "we have to do it as a team" platitudes as we get our butt kicked inside yet agian.
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Which is exactly what we've already heard from Petrie during the latest interview about Salmons/Bonzi. Sorry folks, I'm not buying the whole "there's 2 more months, Petrie has plenty up his sleeve" argument. Heard it straight from the horse's mouth.

A trade is "somewhere down the road" if things don't work out as planned, if I remember correctly. Which means another Artest-style midseason deal to save face, and attempt to salvage half a season from dissapointment and utter failure.
 
AleksandarN said:
That is why I was disapppionted that we did not go after the ones that were avaible like Darko and Magliore. We could have offered bonzi for Darko or Magliore last year.
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This summer? We did go after Magloire as reported, and we weren't chosen by Harris to get him.

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=545023 - page 1 and 3.

Then, if we did indeed offer any of our expirings, they were not as good as the Blazers ones. Skinner > Pota or Corliss, Blake > Hart. Ha was a throw-in.

Simple as that.
 
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Kings113 said:
This summer? We did go after Magloire as reported, and we weren't chosen by Harris to get him.

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=545023 - page 1 and 3.

Then, if we did offer any of our expirings, they were not as good as the Blazers ones. Skinner > Pota or Corliss, Blake > Hart. Ha was a throw-in.

Simple as that.
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As an aside, we have all been talking about Magliore, but was there ever an official report about us being in the mix?

And regardless -- it is, as I have mentoned before, a question of conviction. Now whether the cost would justify it or not, given the eventual price for Magliore, I have to believe we could in fact have had him if we really wanted him. Same way we might have been able to get Chandler if we really wanted him. The asking prices were not above what we've got stashed around. Its a question of conviction and committing yourself to getting that guy. And as I mentioned, maybe it would not be worth the price. Who knows. But you can't just shrug and say "we got outbid", because we CHOSE to get outbid. Nobody beat the best offer we could possibly make, they just beat the best offer we were WILLING to make.
 
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That was an official report by the Milwaukee media. As said on page 3 in that thread by a number of people.

Well, other than those two scenarios for us, it was unknown. The rest are just assumptions. With our expirings, that wasn't reported as being offered, but obviously if we tried, the Blazers offer of expiring deals was better.

With the Chandler deal, who the hell knows. I didn't see us involved, and with Petrie, just because were not in the news doesn't mean there is/was no involvement. Could of, and I'd say was, that PJ Brown is a better player than any of our expiring bigs.

Then the Bulls at the time possibly liked JR Smith better than Garcia or had a notification after or before from Denver that they wanted JR Smith. I'd say it was the latter. Then Adrian Griffin is tied into that as well, since JR was dealt to Denver for Eisley and 2 R2 picks, and then Eisley was waived from the Bulls, so the Bulls could sign Griffin. Which makes sense with all the young wing-players around, was a good guy for them in 04-05, and that he was missed in Chicago last season.

With the Brad possibility, well, who knows again. Petrie either didn't want to give him up, or all that talk about Brad in Chicago wasn't agreed upon by Paxson.
 
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