The Core Trade Poll

[thesanityannex]

Since everyone here seems to be pointing fingers at the core group of guys, I thought it would be interesting to see who everyone feels should be traded (if you even think its necessary). If possible, state your pick and your reasoning.

 

[thesanityannex]

I'll start.
I went with Mike Bibby. As much as I love the guy, to me, he seems the odd man out. He doesn't seem as productive as he used to be when he played with Webber and Divac. His play now is more the style of a shooting guard, rather than a point guard. I'm not sure if he can initiate and distribute the ball like a traditional point guard such as Nash, who would take advantage of SAR and Peja. Bibby himself stated he can't seem to find Peja and get him the ball.

 

[Gtronic]

No one. They need more time.

 

[kingsfan52miller]

I vote trade nobody, they need time to gel together, it may take 15 or 20 games or even 30 but they need more time, because what happens if we trade, mike bibby, peja, or brad and we get worse, then everyone will be complaining that Petrie shouldnt have done it.

 

[tyrant]

mike bibby has been the guy for us. the only player to knock down consistant game winning shots. i would trade peja before i trade bibby. the guy that needs to go is brad miller. now he's been the most consistant player for us so far and it bothers me to say it, but we need a physical/strong force in the high and low post. the healthy chris webber was the perfect player for us. he was an inside and outside threat and peja/bibby fed off of his terrific play. someone like KG would turn us around. bibby, peja, bonzi, garnett........... would give us a better team than the one we had in 2001/2002.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

More time, a month ago this team was "One of the scariest on paper", we need time to gel, this offence isn't used to having post guys like this, Coach needs to put some twekas in the offence. We are more atheltic have better post presence, better rebounders, and deeper, its been what 7 games? The team needs more time.

 

[Rowdyone]

While I understand the reasoning of the other choices, (mainly the "nobody" choice at this point of the season), I don't see any choice but to trade Peja before the deadline and before he becomes a free-agent...it's about the long term financial viability of the payroll. We cannot absorb another max contract. Plus you cannot ignore the basketball side of it either, he's basically a one dimensional player who's game has peaked and there is no more upside for him given his attitude about the game. Bibby was a close second. For everything he gives on the floor he gives up as well...and then some. He needs to play on a team with a shot-blocker to cover him when he gets beat off the dribble. We need more athleticism, defense, rebounding, foot speed (transition D) and shooting percentage at both positions.

 

[thesanityannex]

For all who voted more time is needed:


What is the cut off period of when its been enough time? Just curious.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

For all who voted more time is needed:


What is the cut off period of when its been enough time? Just curious.

I'm going to say All-Star Break, gives them time to gel, adjust the offence, and maybe get some trade value up if a trade is neccessary.

 

[whozit]

If after playing the ten of the next twelve at home they still can't beat a team that doesn't seem to want to win either (Knicks), then it has been too long.

Seriously, eight to ten games with improvement as the games progress.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

I agree that more time is needed, perhaps 10-12 more games before something happens. However, if that time comes and goes and they haven't showed many signs of progress and one of the three is traded then I would look to deal Bibby. I think that Bibby can get more in return than the others and he is someone that I think more teams would be interested in. I would be hesitant to get rid of Brad because: 1) I think that he's still feeling the affects of last year's injury; and 2) Big men with his shooting and passing skills are much harder to come by than PG's with Bibby's skills. I wouldn't give up on Peja right now either since he's the only one of the core that has showed more effort and heart than normal up to this point this season. I hope that Mike gets out of this funk he's been in, but while he is a good shooter and has made some big shots in the past, his lack of defense and self proclaimed leadership raise huge question marks. The fact that Mike said he was going to be the leader and he has done nothing to prove that speaks volumes about him. Additionally, even if Mike gets his shot going, he is still going to be one of the worst, if not the worst defenders at the 1 in the league.

 

[Archibald]

I'll start.
I went with Mike Bibby. As much as I love the guy, to me, he seems the odd man out. He doesn't seem as productive as he used to be when he played with Webber and Divac. His play now is more the style of a shooting guard, rather than a point guard. I'm not sure if he can initiate and distribute the ball like a traditional point guard such as Nash, who would take advantage of SAR and Peja. Bibby himself stated he can't seem to find Peja and get him the ball.

Jumping off the bandwagon here and on Sackings.com already, insanity? Seven games in and you're calling for a major overhaul. Can you see that far into the future?

 

[TXSactoFan]

For all who voted more time is needed:


What is the cut off period of when its been enough time? Just curious.

I will wait for 10-15 more games. if things are as crappy as they are now, then its definitely time to blow up the team. if we wait for anything more than that, this season might definitely go down the drain (lottery)

 

[D-Mass]

I'm going to say All-Star Break, gives them time to gel, adjust the offence, and maybe get some trade value up if a trade is neccessary.

I'd say that's too late. They should know long before then if this will work or not.

 

[tyrant]

we need to keep bibby on the roster. i'd be furious if i see him with another team. he's brought alot to this team. with webber he was the guy that turned us from the mavericks into a solid half court team. teams fear mike bibby's shot. when he's rolling he's rolling. it's such a luxury to have the best shooting duo in the leauge in peja and mike. they aren't playing like it now, but no two guards on any team come close. we NEED a better big man.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

I'd say that's too late. They should know long before then if this will work or not.

But they won't really know for sure untill they start doing some tweaking in the offence it could take a while to implement it. I think people are just feeling rushed because of the teams status right now, we have to give this team a chance, let them play, let em get some Chemistry.

 

[thesanityannex]

Jumping off the bandwagon here and on Sackings.com already, insanity? Seven games in and you're calling for a major overhaul. Can you see that far into the future?

How is this jumping off the bandwagon? I've never been one to lobby for trades or come up with trade ideas, but, something must change. This is simply a poll to see what everyone feels. I'm sorry, but you've pointed the finger at a nonbandwagoner. I've been on this wagon when they sucked, and I mean sucked. Why would a few bad games bounce me off the Kings wagon?

 

[uolj]

I said no one. Not specifically because I think the team needs more time (I think another trade would have been welcome at any time in the last 8 months), but because who should go depends on who you could get.

Since the deficiencies of the Kings are fairly equally shared amongst their best players, you trade whichever guy(s) bring back the best value. The Stojakovic contract situation makes him just a wee bit more likely, but if Miller and/or Bibby bring back somebody who will work well with him, then he should stay.

 

[VF21]

Where's the multiple choice option? Depending upon whom we could get in return, I would trade ANYONE right now. Rebuilding is rebuilding.

 

[thesanityannex]

Where's the multiple choice option? Depending upon whom we could get in return, I would trade ANYONE right now. Rebuilding is rebuilding.

thought about that as an option, but really wanted to see a more specific result. too many possibilities when dealing with packaged trades, who comes back in return etc.


still interested to see who you'd pick, although i already have a hunch

 

[BMiller52]

I do not really care, I just want a trade that makes the team better. We need to get better at:

Defense
Perimeter Defense
Inside Defense
Rebounding

We need:
Players to understand their roles
A leader
Clear roles
A guy who will get the team fired up

if we can get some of those things for a core member, then I will be happy. This team so far has been bad, we have a lot of talent but its not the right kind. We have the softest front court ever and bad d in the back courts, our guys are going to be letting the other team get layups all season.

 

[KP]

Pejas contract situation makes him the guy that has to go. Otherwise he may go anyway after this year and we will get nothing in return. If that happens, Trading Chris and not moving Peja last year when we could will be an even bigger mistake then it already is.

 

[thesanityannex]

I'm trying to keep this more about who you would trade rather than what this team needs in return. Thanks for your input though bmiller52.

 

[captain bill]

I chose Bibby, but here's why we should trade all of them:

Bibby: simply not cutting it. He is a great player, but is not playing the true PG role and is not initiating our offense. His value is still tremendous right now, and if we package him with everyone else, we can get a return on value that will more than make up for what we lose. Great guy, but he has never been the one to carry the team. A huge contributer, very clutch, but right now he is proving that he can't make things work unless everyone else is performing to the max. The problem with the Kings, for a long time, has been that we always play down to the level of our competitors. We never just go out there and beat down an overmatch team, we always give them a chance to beat us, and Mike is critical to that- he can't just push the team to be great.

Peja-we need him badly this year, his scoring is one of the only things that can help us win games. But it hurts us too much to keep him on board with his max, especially if we need to rebuild and get stuck with his contract hanging over us. He needs to be trade, and right now, if we want any value for him.

Brad-Paper man. Jerome James won his contract solely by virtue of Brad's defense. He can do well in our offense, but he's no Vlade, and the pieces surrounding him are not right to compliment his skills and compensate his deficiencies. For this team to win, he needs to go. We need a new direction, towards being tough and hard nosed, and he just doesn't fit.

SAR and Bonzi, we should probably hang on to. Bonzi expires after this year, and his value isn't high anyway, so we might as well hold on to him. Also, our SG is apparently the only guy on our team who can go for 10 rebounds. SAR is very cheap, and we probably won't get a great return in value for trading him right now. He isn't the toughest, but if we get a good PF, decent C, we can put him at SF and still be a good, tough, rebounding team. I don't think we should rebuild around these two, but we should go after some great players to build around, and then we immediately have 2 phenomenal role players to plug in next to them.

 

[Kings113]

Quite early for this IMO - have some patience.

 

[Londonking]

Im not in favour of juggling the pieces just yet.

I think we have some very talented athletes and whilst i agree with BMiller52 I am still hoping that we find those attributes from our existing players.

 

[allrightythen]

I voted Peja simply because he needs to be traded, it just seems too risky to wait until the offseason and possibly be left with nothing. There is definitely some validity to the idea of being patient and letting them work through it. I just don't think this team, while talented, is really built right to win when it matters. If thats true might as well start making changes now, or at least start with the shopping now.

 

[Kings113]

Im not in favour of juggling the pieces just yet.

I think we have some very talented athletes and whilst i agree with BMiller52 I am still hoping that we find those attributes from our existing players.

Ah, you're gonna get ragged on for the "athletes" insertion.

 

[Padrino]

this kings team is going no where with their imbalance. the first priority needs to be what to do with peja stojakovic. everything else comes second when concerning personnel. mike bibby, with all his faults, is under contract for quite a while, and therefore there's plenty of time to trade him. peja, on the other hand, is under contract til the end of this season, and then he can walk. i seriously doubt that geoff petrie and the maloofs have enough balls to trade both bibby and peja (kings legitimate outside scoring threats) within the same season, given geoff's offensive-orientedness and his propensity for avoiding mid-season trades...so, imo, it is necessary to address the peja situation first. if they decide they want to make an effort to re-sign him, then maybe they'll attempt to move bibby and/or miller. my vote is that they should trade peja. i don't want more of the kings cap devoted to this "big three." as much as i like each of them individually, they are not suited well for each other anymore.

 

[thedofd]

I'm trying to keep this more about who you would trade rather than what this team needs in return. Thanks for your input though bmiller52.

Not sure you can discuss one without the other. If you're thinking of sending Bibby or Peja or Brad away, what is it you hope to gain?

Beyond that, I voted to be patient -- not only because I truly believe this team has the potential to be good in time but also because I can't conceive of what the Kings could get in return that would immediately return them to prominence.

What seems painfully evident is that the Kings lack the go-to guy that all real contenders seem to have, and it's hard to imagine how we get that guy by trading just one starter. We're not going to get Duncan for Miller or T-Mac for Bibby. If you're making a trade to get someone who's a little younger, a little more athletic but not a difference-maker -- someone in another thread actually mentioned Peja and Al Harrington in the same breath? -- you're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

It may be obvious in 15 games that the Kings aren't going anywhere. If that's the case, we as fans may have to take our lumps this season and resign ourselves to missing the playoffs. The Western Conference is too loaded to hope for a second-half run. If that happens, the front office will have to weigh any and all possibilities, whether it's dealing Peja to avoid giving him a big, new contract or trying to pair up a couple of our remaining core guys in a blockbuster. I hope it doesn't get to that point.