The coaching situation
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the answer to this question can be found in another question: how loaded is next year's draft? 
My personal opinion is that he needs to go. However, I do not think that will happen. I do not see the Maloofs admitting that they were wrong. Their two biggest decisions last season were to 1) bring in Artest and 2) Fire Rick and hire Muss. I do not see them giving up on either after onlu one year - even if they should.
My thought is the Maloofs are gamblers. They took a chance and it obviously didn't work out. I don't see them having any trouble giving the "we're going in a different direction" speech and cutting him loose. They're not gonna sit by idly, IMHO. The organization will take action - like with Vlade, with Doug, with Webber, with Adelman, etc. It might not end up being the right action, but they'll do something...
You know, I think we have much larger problems and that canning a coach too early sends the team into an uncontrollabe tailspin as all the players know they can get the coach fired by failing to perform.
But if canning Muss means I don't have to read another fire the coach thread for an entire summer and maybe 20-30 games into next season I think I'm all for it at this point.
But if canning Muss means I don't have to read another fire the coach thread for an entire summer and maybe 20-30 games into next season I think I'm all for it at this point.
I don't really think that's true.
When Adelman was replaced with Muss, maybe half of the fans I was in touch with welcomed it, but the other half were pretty concerned that it might end up being a big mistake.
Now, not even one person in thirteen wants to keep Muss, so it's not one half or the other, it's everybody.
When Adelman was replaced with Muss, maybe half of the fans I was in touch with welcomed it, but the other half were pretty concerned that it might end up being a big mistake.
Now, not even one person in thirteen wants to keep Muss, so it's not one half or the other, it's everybody.
No, it's not funny... and it's not even an accurate conclusion.
People were willing to give Musselman a chance in the beginning, which was the right attitude to have. I won't speak for anyone else, but I gave him a chance. He hasn't impressed me and I can think of no reason to prolong the agony any longer than absolutely necessary.
In sports, when a team is thoroughly off track it's almost always the coach that pays the price first. He didn't make our team better; we're not a defensive juggernaut. We're not even a defensive marshmallow.
The Kings hired someone who hasn't lived up to expectations. Mitigating factors aside, he has failed in his job duties. And he'll most likely get the same treatment any of us would get if we didn't do our job up to the level our employers expected.
That's life, not irony.
People were willing to give Musselman a chance in the beginning, which was the right attitude to have. I won't speak for anyone else, but I gave him a chance. He hasn't impressed me and I can think of no reason to prolong the agony any longer than absolutely necessary.
In sports, when a team is thoroughly off track it's almost always the coach that pays the price first. He didn't make our team better; we're not a defensive juggernaut. We're not even a defensive marshmallow.
The Kings hired someone who hasn't lived up to expectations. Mitigating factors aside, he has failed in his job duties. And he'll most likely get the same treatment any of us would get if we didn't do our job up to the level our employers expected.
That's life, not irony.
Giving Eric Musselman a chance for what? we all knew this guy had bad experience with his past teams, he has never taken his team to the playoffs. i warned everyone over the summer. but people still had a reason to be faithful. i understand thats the right thing to do. but this season has been bad enough are we gonna hear the same response over the summer that we should give Eric a anotherchance? this guy was arrested for DUI. that was enough for anyone to give this nutjob a chance period.
He was arrested for DUI before we knew how bad he was, which makes it pretty irrelevant. Nobody would fire a coach they had only hired a few months before over a DUI alone. And had he been the second coming of Red Auerbach, nobody would be saying a word about it.
We now know that Muss is incompetant, but that DUI is ancient history at this point. He'll have to settle for a dismissal based on his coaching record alone.
We now know that Muss is incompetant, but that DUI is ancient history at this point. He'll have to settle for a dismissal based on his coaching record alone.
He was also a guy that overachieved with GS and had won in every other league he had coached in. He was runner up for coach of the year, too, IIRC. He deserved a chance to see what he could do.
"You" warned everyone? What do you want, a gold star for making the safer of a 60%-40% guess? Almost everyone recognized that this team wasn't competing for the crown. Not everyone could guess we'd be this bad, though. And the blame for that should get spread pretty wide, not just to Muss.
So, uh, congrats, I guess. I hope you are happy with yourself, or whatever.....
"You" warned everyone? What do you want, a gold star for making the safer of a 60%-40% guess? Almost everyone recognized that this team wasn't competing for the crown. Not everyone could guess we'd be this bad, though. And the blame for that should get spread pretty wide, not just to Muss.
So, uh, congrats, I guess. I hope you are happy with yourself, or whatever.....
I will do my best to redirect this thread from an anti-Muss anger-fest or a 'told you I was right' conversation.
We all know his shortcomings this year. I am wondering what positives/progress people have seen Muss make this year that could be used to build upon for next year? For all the negatives, let's make a list of positives.
I'm being serious...anyone want to go first?
We all know his shortcomings this year. I am wondering what positives/progress people have seen Muss make this year that could be used to build upon for next year? For all the negatives, let's make a list of positives.
I'm being serious...anyone want to go first?
I could. And did.
And I knew that Musselman would suck as a coach.
And I knew that we'd have two people associated with the organization arrested this year.
And I knew that we'd lose to Minny last night.
In fact, everything that ever has happened or ever will happen, anywhere, ever, regarding anything, and everything... I knew it first. And I will not rest until I get proper recognition, dammit!
And I knew that Musselman would suck as a coach.
And I knew that we'd have two people associated with the organization arrested this year.
And I knew that we'd lose to Minny last night.
In fact, everything that ever has happened or ever will happen, anywhere, ever, regarding anything, and everything... I knew it first. And I will not rest until I get proper recognition, dammit!
He has nowhere to go but up ... or out.
If I were upper management ...
If we wind up doing a complete overhaul of the roster and we bring back a completely different team than the one we have now, then I'd consider letting Muss have a shot with a new team. If there was a home run candidate available over the offseason, I'd probably give Muss the boot. But if there's no one available that would be a reasonable improvement, then I might let him have another year.
However, the showing he's given us this season is sad. Sad like taking the family dog to be put down. Sad like Steel Magnolias.
Bottom line, I think, is Eric Musselman just isn't a good coach. From what I've seen this season, he's a pretty bad coach.
This whole situation reminds me somewhat of Tim Floyd, the guy who took over in Chicago after Phil Jackson left. The Bulls sucked for several seasons during their "rebuild", and he got fired. But the general consensus was that he wasn't a bad coach, he just had a bad team. So he got another shot with the Hornets. They sucked, he got fired again. Floyd has since wound up as the head basketball coach of the USC Trojans, and has coached them into the Sweet 16.
Maybe Musselman's place isn't in the NBA. He's not going to get another head coaching gig without proving himself, whether it be in college, the D-League, or as an assistant. He just hasn't given any significant indication that he can run a winning program.
If I were upper management ...
If we wind up doing a complete overhaul of the roster and we bring back a completely different team than the one we have now, then I'd consider letting Muss have a shot with a new team. If there was a home run candidate available over the offseason, I'd probably give Muss the boot. But if there's no one available that would be a reasonable improvement, then I might let him have another year.
However, the showing he's given us this season is sad. Sad like taking the family dog to be put down. Sad like Steel Magnolias.
Bottom line, I think, is Eric Musselman just isn't a good coach. From what I've seen this season, he's a pretty bad coach.
This whole situation reminds me somewhat of Tim Floyd, the guy who took over in Chicago after Phil Jackson left. The Bulls sucked for several seasons during their "rebuild", and he got fired. But the general consensus was that he wasn't a bad coach, he just had a bad team. So he got another shot with the Hornets. They sucked, he got fired again. Floyd has since wound up as the head basketball coach of the USC Trojans, and has coached them into the Sweet 16.
Maybe Musselman's place isn't in the NBA. He's not going to get another head coaching gig without proving himself, whether it be in college, the D-League, or as an assistant. He just hasn't given any significant indication that he can run a winning program.