The "C" factor: my theory on the end of Adelman

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Okay, I know this has been discussed a little here and there, but I feel like this theory deserves some more discussion.

My theory about what happend with Adelman is this: Adelman wants to run the Princeton offense. This offense requires a PF and C who can pass, dribble, and shoot. If they cannot run the offense, they stay on the bench.

How many centers in the league fit this requirement? I can only think of a few (Brad Miller being the best example I can think of). Unfortunately, none of the offensively skilled centers are either any good at defense (Brad Miller) or available any time soon, if ever. So, by use of the Princeton offensive system alone, your team's defense suffers greatly. The Kings problem is glaring; Miller has become the target of every teams' game plan against the Kings; take it to him, he cannot guard you... I know there are plenty of examples... James, Kaman, etc... but this is not about bashing Miller.

I theorize the Maloofs and Petrie see this and know that the only way to get better defensively is to move Miller or somehow change his game... under Adelman's system, you cannot move or change Miller or the Princeton offense falls apart.

I also theorize Miller will be traded this TDOS once the new coach is selected.

So ,will the new coach need to be known for defense? No, just able to use a defensive center in the team's offense.
 
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Any way we can trade up in the draft and get a young Center that can pass really good and rebound, but not score much? Thats all we need. Who's out there in the draft that fits this description?
 
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Adelman has no particular desire to run the Princeton, that would be Petrie. Petrie gave Adelman players that would excel in the Princeton. When the personnel changed, so did Adelman's offense.
 
Bricklayer

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People have gotten confused over the years about Adelman's role in the whole Princeton scheme -- Petey Carril IS the Princeton. Geoff Petrie played in and believes in the Princeton. Rick...taught it and believed in it when we had the personnel, but it was never his offense. Not what he ran in Portland. Not what he ran in Golden State. Really not what he was running by the end with Ron and Bonzi.

You are right about it being dead without the personnel though. Vlade & Webb were an almost unique pairing -- one of, if not THE best passing frontcourt in NBA history. Brad was always the poor relation to them -- very good passer, but not at that same level. And then after Brad...well, we have seen how average passing forwards like Reef or Kenny do with it, and its just uninspiring.
 
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I think the second part of my theory still rings true; all an incoming coach needs to do is trade Miller and change to an offense that allows for a defensive center to be on the floor... viola! a better defensive team. I think that is why Eddie Jordan is a possibity.
 
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VF21 said:
That could have been done without firing Adelman.
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Could it have? I disagree with you there. Adelman has had a number of defensive centers that never saw any time because Adelman will not play defensive centers (or young, developing players for that matter). I think it was Adelman's unwillingness to play defensive centers and develop young players that got him the boot.
 
Warhawk

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Rick himself said he knows every offense run in the NBA. He had changed it this year and always makes little adjustments. He didn't have to go to get rid of the Princeton offense, that's for sure.
 
RaY Z

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i have no idea how where going to trade brad with the play he's shown over this season particularly in the playoffs, along to go with that long contract, which at this stage he's definitely not worth...

im not sure if miller will be traded but yeah... we have to draft a young athletic, shotblocking, defensive center, who has potential...

SENE ANYONE?
 
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RaY Z said:
i have no idea how where going to trade brad with the play he's shown over this season particularly in the playoffs, along to go with that long contract, which at this stage he's definitely not worth...

im not sure if miller will be traded but yeah... we have to draft a young athletic, shotblocking, defensive center, who has potential...

SENE ANYONE?
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They managed to get Ron Artest for Mr. Run-and-Hide.... they will be able to move Brad somewhere... I would think a lot of teams would like to have him...
 
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I 100% agree with NoBonus. Adelman's rotation really confused me during this season. He wouldn't play Brian Skinner who averged 10 ppg, 2 bpg, and 7-8 rpg last season. To me that shows that he can't coach a team with a defensive center on the floor.
 
MadMKEkf

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NoBonus said:
Okay, I know this has been discussed a little here and there, but I feel like this theory deserves some more discussion.

My theory about what happend with Adelman is this: Adelman wants to run the Princeton offense. This offense requires a PF and C who can pass, dribble, and shoot. If they cannot run the offense, they stay on the bench.

I theorize the Maloofs and Petrie see this and know that the only way to get better defensively is to move Miller or somehow change his game... under Adelman's system, you cannot move or change Miller or the Princeton offense falls apart.
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These are interesting ideas but I believe the reasoning is more simple by the Maloofs, somethings like this: STEP 1: Do we want to win a championship? (YES) STEP 2: In eight years how many championships has Rick brought us (ZERO). STEP 3: We need a new coach. (END)


As far as who is out there, I think Joe and Gavin would say "We need to gamble on someone." JW is who I guess they will gamble on - but that is just speculation. My main point is that I don't think their logic about Rick was complicated, I think it was simple. The fact that he made it eight years in the NBA with one team is a testament to his strength as a coach.
 
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MadMKEkf said:
These are interesting ideas but I believe the reasoning is more simple by the Maloofs, somethings like this: STEP 1: Do we want to win a championship? (YES) STEP 2: In eight years how many championships has Rick brought us (ZERO). STEP 3: We need a new coach. (END)


As far as who is out there, I think Joe and Gavin would say "We need to gamble on someone." JW is who I guess they will gamble on - but that is just speculation. My main point is that I don't think their logic about Rick was complicated, I think it was simple. The fact that he made it eight years in the NBA with one team is a testament to his strength as a coach.
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You're suggesting John Wetzel?

Hrm... Interesting.
 
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And John says, "Well, erm. Gee, Rick... I just got this interesting phone call..."

ah, the stuff summer sit-coms are made of.

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Circa_1985_Fan

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^^Exactly. Unfortunately, very few people seemed to realize or want to accept that.
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Rick is a scholar, and pretty much adapts with innovative ideas....hey, Phil Jackson didnt come up with the 'triangle', he adapted the idea from Tex Winter, obviously, and thats what Adelman did with the Princeton from Coachie. Anyhow, I wouldnt be too suprised if you didnt see this coaching staff pop up again in what was its form last season, he loved Turner, T.R. and Bubba.
 
SacTownKid

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Still, I can't deny that Rick misused his best defensive players at time. At least his bigs. Tag, Skinner, Keon, etc. I was rather relunctant on being hopeful in getting a defensive big, knowing Adelman may not play him at all.
 
Circa_1985_Fan

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SacTownKid said:
Still, I can't deny that Rick misused his best defensive players at time. At least his bigs. Tag, Skinner, Keon, etc. I was rather relunctant on being hopeful in getting a defensive big, knowing Adelman may not play him at all.
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Who knows...I guess we wont have to worry about that now.
 
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