The Alternate Rules Tropical Island Music Draft Thread - Round 20

[Bricklayer]

Well crapper -- I had hoped that that would be overlooked because oif atx's pick (which I did not even know existed). Query -- are they sold together? I was resigned to having to use both of my next to picks on them.

 

[Jespher]

I bought them in a beatles combo pack..so yes, they are sold together.

 

[GoGoGadget]

I bought them in a beatles combo pack..so yes, they are sold together.

According to allmusic.com, however, it looks like they weren't actually released together. I think I'm going to have to be a meanie commissioner and overrule this one -- seems to fall under the "volume by volume" rule.

 

[Bricklayer]

According to allmusic.com, however, it looks like they weren't actually released together. I think I'm going to have to be a meanie commissioner and overrule this one -- seems to fall under the "volume by volume" rule.

Only problem there is that would knock out the boxed sets too right?

 

[Jespher]

I fail to grasp why the Beatles Red/Blue pick doesn't qualify as a boxed set if they are purchasable together? They came in the same box, and are a compilation of greatest hits, how is that not a boxed set? Do you need a receipt/proof of purchase? Do we have to bring ink and paper into this? Please explain...

 

[D-Mass]

Only problem there is that would knock out the boxed sets too right?

Nope...the Led Zeppelin box set was originally released in the same box at the same time and are not available separately. Apparently those Beatles albums were originally released at different times and have since been put into a box together as part of a package deal...not really a "box set."

 

[VF21]

My two cents? Regardless of when they were released, the Red/Blue set is available as a BOXED SET (as opposed to a "If you buy this one, you'll want to buy this one" option from Amazon), which I understood to be one of the premiere qualifications for this draft. If you knock it out, I think you're opening a can of worms that will result in a lot of headaches. And since the boxed set he purchased definitely wouldn't have been allowable in the first album draft, doesn't it pretty much by definition of the concept of this draft make it eligible?

My pick is ready and in the queue but I don't feel right posting it until this has been resolved.

 

[atxrocker]

Well crapper -- I had hoped that that would be overlooked because oif atx's pick (which I did not even know existed). Query -- are they sold together? I was resigned to having to use both of my next to picks on them.

i hadn't overlooked this set at all, decided against it because i thought that it wouldn't fit within the rule criteria.

 

[D-Mass]

i hadn't overlooked this set at all, decided against it because i thought that it wouldn't fit within the rule criteria.

I really don't care either way since I don't plan to pick anything that might test this rule, but the rule is pretty clear about release date.

 

[GoGoGadget]

My two cents? Regardless of when they were released, the Red/Blue set is available as a BOXED SET (as opposed to a "If you buy this one, you'll want to buy this one" option from Amazon), which I understood to be one of the premiere qualifications for this draft. If you knock it out, I think you're opening a can of worms that will result in a lot of headaches. And since the boxed set he purchased definitely wouldn't have been allowable in the first album draft, doesn't it pretty much by definition of the concept of this draft make it eligible?

My pick is ready and in the queue but I don't feel right posting it until this has been resolved.

The rule is actually in place in order to avoid a specific can of worms.

It's not uncommon for compilations that were originally released as individual volumes to later be bundled and sold together, which is what appears to be the case with this set. To use an example that doesn't mess with potential album draftees, it's akin to someone selecting the 5-disc DVD box set containing all three Godfather movies in the movie draft -- it may be possible to purchase them together now, but they were three distinct and separate releases.

And, believe me, I would love to have found a fair way around this rule. There are three sets on my own draft list that I would love to take this way, including one for which all 27 individual volumes have since been bundled, but I just can't see how I'd be able to judge it fairly as some of these package deals may be on a store-by-store basis, which would be nearly impossible to verify.

 

[Jespher]

The rule is actually in place in order to avoid a specific can of worms.

It's not uncommon for compilations that were originally released as individual volumes to later be bundled and sold together, which is what appears to be the case with this set. To use an example that doesn't mess with potential album draftees, it's akin to someone selecting the 5-disc DVD box set containing all three Godfather movies in the movie draft -- it may be possible to purchase them together now, but they were three distinct and separate releases.

And, believe me, I would love to have found a fair way around this rule. There are three sets on my own draft list that I would love to take this way, including one for which all 27 individual volumes have since been bundled, but I just can't see how I'd be able to judge it fairly as some of these package deals may be on a store-by-store basis, which would be nearly impossible to verify.

The movie drat was not a draft of best movie compilations, so I fail to see how that is a valid comparison. If you really want people to draft greatest hits and boxed sets that weren't legal in the first music draft then my pick should qualify for this draft!!!!!!

 

[D-Mass]

Not that my opinion is worth much, but I'm going to have to agree with GGG on this one. I once purchased some Elton John albums that were packaged together by that particular store, but were very separate releases. Since GGG has no way of knowing what albums may or may not have been packaged together by certain stores, she can't verify the authenticity of every one of these claims. I could claim that I found a store that has packaged all of the "Brat Pack" movie soundtracks together, but that doesn't mean I should get them all in one pick. No hard feelings...just my honest two cents.

 

[GoGoGadget]

The movie drat was not a draft of best movie compilations, so I fail to see how that is a valid comparison. If you really want people to draft greatest hits and boxed sets that weren't legal in the first music draft then my pick should qualify for this draft!!!!!!

The albums do qualify, they just need to be picked separately.

The box set vs. volume stipulation is one of very few rules that I've placed on the content of this draft, but I did it for a reason. The box sets already picked (pdx's 50s box and the Zepplin box) were both originally sold as collections for which the discs/LPs have never been available for individual purchase. The Red Album and Blue Album, however, were originally released and sold separately. Any combo packs or package deals available have been put together in the 30+ years since the albums came out.

 

[GoGoGadget]

And, like I said earlier, this is a rule that very much hurts my own draft list. One of my favorite compilations is 27 separate volumes and I would LOVE to be able to snag the whole thing on one pick. Believe me. I really did give it considerable thought, though, and decided this was the best way to go about things.

It may not be much consolation, but I'm also being hurt by my own rule.

 

[D-Mass]

Besides, if the rule were changed, seems only natural that all previous drafters would be able to rethink their picks...at which point atxrocker would probably take the red/blue albums off the table anyway.

 

[Jespher]

Ok...fine...so for a redo pick #2 I select:

Pick #2: The Beatles Box Set

And yes, this should be legal as stipulated here (A 5-disc boxed set that was released all at once can be picked all at once)

Dear Prudence, Let it Be, Eleanor Rigby

The Beatles Box Set is the first complete set of original Beatles material released by EMI and Capitol in digital format. Released in 1988, for the first time a music fan could purchase the entire Beatles catalogue digitally formatted in a single set. The box set, available on CD, vinyl, or cassette, included all of the original UK releases plus Magical Mystery Tour, which had been released in the United States in 1967 but not released in the UK until 1976 (Magical Mystery Tour had been issued on CD worldwide in 1987, along with the twelve original British Beatles albums), as well as two discs, called Past Masters: Volume One and Past Masters: Volume Two, which featured singles, B-sides, EP tracks, and foreign releases not found on the other thirteen albums. Although all the original British albums had been previously available in stereo on both vinyl and cassette, the versions of the first four albums included in the boxed set were the digitally remastered mono mixes released on CD in 1987.
The collection also includes a soft-cover book by Mark Lewisohn which describes every track in the collection which is encased in a black oak rolltop box.


More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_Box_Set

 

[GoGoGadget]

Ok...fine...so for a redo pick #2 I select:

Pick #2: The Beatles Box Set

And yes, this should be legal as stipulated here (A 5-disc boxed set that was released all at once can be picked all at once)

Yep, perfectly legal.

And, at 226 tracks, quite an upgrade.

 

[VF21]

I'll bow, of course, to your decision but am now totally confused. I'm posting my next selection not knowing if it falls within your rules or not now...



The Eagles - Asylum Album Box Set

There's no way I could exist without the ability to listen to the Eagles. One of my favorite groups ever became even more special to me when Timmy Schmidt, who started in Sacramento in a group called the New Breed (single hit Green-Eyed Woman) joined the Eagles.

From Amazon.com:

Greater than a hand-plucked menagerie of hits and outtakes, this box set is just that—a complete set of the six studio (and one live) albums, in their originally sequenced entirety, recorded during the 1970s decade in which the Eagles helped define. The nine-CD collection plays chronologically, beginning with the folk-rock pace and Everly Brothers harmonies of the 1972 self-titled debut ("Take It Easy," "Witchy Woman," "Peaceful Easy Feeling") and the 1973 Western concept album, Desperado ("Tequila Sunrise," "Desperado"). Don Henley and Glenn Frey added guitarist Don Felder as the band steered in a rock direction for 1974’s On the Border ("Already Gone," "James Dean") and toward a polished, FM-ready sound for 1975’s One Of These Nights ("Take it to the Limit," "Lyin’ Eyes") before guitarist Joe Walsh joined as the Eagles reached their mainstream apex in 1976 with Hotel California ("New Kid In Town," "Life in the Fast Lane," "Hotel California"). While The Long Run in 1979 didn’t measure up to its predecessor, it did fire off three successful singles--"Heartache Tonight," "The Long Run" and "I Can’t Tell You Why"--and led to the farewell tour that resulted in 1980’s Eagles Live, 15 concert cuts (followed by a pair of holiday recordings) that close out the box set and the pre-reunion career of one of America’s most revered bands. --Scott Holter

 

[D-Mass]

I'm giving up a lot to take this, but I'm fairly certain this won't be available when the draft comes back my way...

International Superhits! - Green Day - 2001

I love the entirety of the original Green Day albums, but if you want a good sampling of their most popular songs, they're all here...no American Idiot songs, though, as it was released later.

 

[GoGoGadget]

I'll bow, of course, to your decision but am now totally confused. I'm posting my next selection not knowing if it falls within your rules or not now...



The Eagles - Asylum Album Box Set

Definitely qualifies. Was released by Warner Music Group as a box set.

 

[VF21]

Thank you! I've re-read the rules and I think I'm onboard with your demarcation lines, as it were.

 

[GoGoGadget]

Okie doke. My next pick is another that would have been on my original island if allowed:

Bob Marley -- Legend (1984) -- As with the Al Green pick, this is far from being the definitive Bob Marley collection. It contains only 14 of his biggest hits, which leaves off some other personal favorites, but the album is solid from top to bottom and has been one of my favorites probably since the time of its original release. As much of an anal retentive "collector" I may be, I find that sometimes simplicity reigns supreme - there's no fluff here, no annoying alternate second takes that would end up getting skipped with every listen anyway, or anything else to muddy the waters.

 

[bozzwell]

The Smiths - Singles - 1995

Compilation of all singles by the last true singles-band and one of my favorite bands of all time.

 

[Bricklayer]

I am intentionally driving our dear commissioner nuts wiht my first two picks:

Bruce Springsteen -- Greatest Hits (1995)

Being slowed here because as it turns out since the time I was buying up various greatest hits albums, a whole new generation of them has come out to bilk even more money out of people. Then you throw in the complicating factor of the box sets, of which I own none and am now checking for, and...screw it. Sticking with what I know. There are things missing of course with an artist this big and only 18 tracks, but another greatest hits package where almost every single song was in fact a major hit.

"Born to Run" – 4:30
"Thunder Road" – 4:48
"Badlands" – 4:03
"The River" – 5:00
"Hungry Heart" – 3:20
"Atlantic City" – 3:56
"Dancing in the Dark" – 4:03
"Born in the U.S.A." – 4:41
"My Hometown" – 4:12
"Glory Days" – 3:49
"Brilliant Disguise" – 4:15
"Human Touch" – 5:10
"Better Days" – 3:44
"Streets of Philadelphia" – 3:16
"Secret Garden" – 4:27
"Murder Incorporated" – 3:57
"Blood Brothers" – 4:34
"This Hard Land" – 4:50

 

[GoGoGadget]

I am intentionally driving our dear commissioner nuts wiht my first two picks:

While I'd never intentionally own a CCR album, I can stomach listening to them on occasion. Your second pick, however... mission accomplished.

 

[atxrocker]

so i've got waaay too many options here

The Best of the Doors- (1985)

considered taking lots of modern rock here but how the F can you pass this album up?

 

[GoGoGadget]

The Best of the Doors- (1985)

Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.

Very rude.

 

[atxrocker]

Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.

Very rude.

sorry, G3. passed on a LOT of worthy albums to grab this one.

 

[Monty'sBiggestFan]

Didn't get a PM, but happened to be in the lounge tonight...and voila I happen to be up now...thankfully, in my haste to get a pick in I neglected to actually devise some halfbaked strategy let alone remember what I had been thinking about picking back when I signed on for this draft...now that I've come back to my senses...thankfully my ultimate number 1 pick was still available.

At the Close of A Century - Stevie Wonder - 1999

I could say 'nuff said. But that would be so un me. The man is a musical genius and the release of a box that moves listeners through the broad span of some of his best work is only fitting. The collection makes one feel like one has a century's worth of Stevie's music, but it still doesn't encompass it all.


Here's the track list for the box

 

[Kingzrool]

Prince - The Hits/The B-Sides (1993)

I like the greatest hits albums that include the B-Sides.

Track Listing