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Almost every NBA team currently has a team captain(s).

Do we need one? Obviously Tyreke would be the top choice. But is he to young? Beno also seems like he could be captain material. Or are we better off without one right now with this young team? your thoughts...

note: teams can have up to 3 team captains
 
Tyreke is the best player on the team. Usually the player who takes the last shot is the team captain. This isn't really up for debate because even if Tyreke wasn't the captain, he would still take the last shot, and ultimately be responsible for the w's and l's. tyreke is the captain
 
im pretty sure Garcia is our captain right now, even tho he's not playing.
He's the most vocal with all the other players and he brings the intangibles.

Reke is still young and as he gets older and gains more experience he will slowly become the captain, but for now hes still figuring things out for himself.
 
OptimusRhyme said:
im pretty sure Garcia is our captain right now, even tho he's not playing.
He's the most vocal with all the other players and he brings the intangibles.

Reke is still young and as he gets older and gains more experience he will slowly become the captain, but for now hes still figuring things out for himself.
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I would agree. When I though team captain Garcia was the first to come to mind.
 
The term captain is only a title. You can give it to whomever you want. Doesn't mean he'll be the leader. People will follow the leader whether he has the title or not. Right now Evans is leading this team. He's the player his teammates are deferring to. To imply that if you don't have a team captain your going to be a bad team is nonsense. But to imply, that if you don't have a leader your probably going to be a bad team, I can buy into to.

I'm not going to go into the qualities you need to be a leader. Lets just say, you know one when you see one. They simply stand out, and your willing to go to war with them. Tyreke may be young, but he's the leader of this team. And not because someone appointed him.
 
vistacruza_kings said:
Teams that dont have a team captain: New York, Detroit, Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota

ALL BAD TEAMS
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Teams without solid leadership, also. When a team has a great leader on the floor, the captain title is pretty irrelevant. You could name Delonte West a captain for the Cavs, but we all know better. I don't think we need to name a captain for validation purposes. We need to actually have a captain, and the rest will take care of itself.
 
bajaden said:
The term captain is only a title. You can give it to whomever you want. Doesn't mean he'll be the leader. People will follow the leader whether he has the title or not. Right now Evans is leading this team. He's the player his teammates are deferring to. To imply that if you don't have a team captain your going to be a bad team is nonsense. But to imply, that if you don't have a leader your probably going to be a bad team, I can buy into to.

I'm not going to go into the qualities you need to be a leader. Lets just say, you know one when you see one. They simply stand out, and your willing to go to war with them. Tyreke may be young, but he's the leader of this team. And not because someone appointed him.
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word.
 
bajaden said:
The term captain is only a title. You can give it to whomever you want. Doesn't mean he'll be the leader. People will follow the leader whether he has the title or not. Right now Evans is leading this team. He's the player his teammates are deferring to. To imply that if you don't have a team captain your going to be a bad team is nonsense. But to imply, that if you don't have a leader your probably going to be a bad team, I can buy into to.

I'm not going to go into the qualities you need to be a leader. Lets just say, you know one when you see one. They simply stand out, and your willing to go to war with them. Tyreke may be young, but he's the leader of this team. And not because someone appointed him.
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To add just one more thing:

Just because a player has or doesn't have a "C" next to his name doesn't mean a thing. As you say, the team leader doesn't need a title. He needs to be willing and able to step up and actually lead. Evans does that, with the complete support of his teammates.
 
Right now the most vocal captain – Cisco. Like Tyreke said “when Cisco talks, you listen.”

"He's a leader," Evans said when asked about García. "He goes hard, talks every play, that's one thing I knew about him. With Cisco it's more like everybody shuts up and listens to him because he has been here. … A lot of stuff that is going on the floor he won't allow."

Source: http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2438111.html
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But as far as a leader on the court, Tyreke is really proving to be that. And I’m not worried about leadership on this team cause it seems that we have that it will continue to grow with more experience that each player gets.
 
A captain needs to be a model of a personalty

Ok first of all i'm sorry for the writhing mistakes i'm a Israeli and english is not my first language. thanks for the understand.

in my perrsonal opinion a Captain is a someone who brings a other things to the team players and not just a game high score or a game high minutes.

a real captain is the guy who evrey simple player will listen to his words and just to look at the captain will give the other players more confident.

its little difficult to me to explain it in english but the main idea in the Captain thing is to bring a kind of a coach to the court with some of expirience and a model personality.----> :cool:

its very difficult to find a real Captain and the first real "captains personalities" that ups to my head is players like MJ Chonsi Billups Jason Kid Gary Payton steve nash and more and more from this kind.

there are a groupe of a players that the team secsus will be in the first place and before the personality secsus!

in this team im absolutely chose Cisco(!) for this mission. the people who say Tyreke need to be with all the rispact don't know alote about basketball.

yea TE souts the last shots but is because the ball in his ends in the last minutes and because his shooting confidence are good but is it means that he needs to be the Captain? right now absolutely no.

also Evens game dessition are not so good as you know.

in the end of the line is abaute how a Captain becoming the team better and the gus are playing near to him with the right energy and the right game mentaly leaderships. and all those things come not just with ball keeping.

i wish in the future that will be Casspi buy as you know to be Israeli is not inufe and i wish he will continue play hard and mybe to leader this young team because i know this guy and he realy leadership in his personality but ofcurse he need to be more more better and hope you guys and first of all Westpull will bring him more confidence and backup becouse he is a real good rookie.

also hope Tyreke keep to playing so well and get more better in the "together play " game.

also good luck for Spencer Jason Beno Donte Kevin Jon Ime and all those nice guys and players.

big big good luck Kings!

last word:

there here some one with a opinion about Paul Westpul leadership? :rolleyes:
 
guy370 said:
Ok first of all i'm sorry for the writhing mistakes i'm a Israeli and english is not my first language. thanks for the understand.

in my perrsonal opinion a Captain is a someone who brings a other things to the team players and not just a game high score or a game high minutes.

a real captain is the guy who evrey simple player will listen to his words and just to look at the captain will give the other players more confident.

its little difficult to me to explain it in english but the main idea in the Captain thing is to bring a kind of a coach to the court with some of expirience and a model personality.----> :cool:

its very difficult to find a real Captain and the first real "captains personalities" that ups to my head is players like MJ Chonsi Billups Jason Kid Gary Payton steve nash and more and more from this kind.

there are a groupe of a players that the team secsus will be in the first place and before the personality secsus!

in this team im absolutely chose Cisco(!) for this mission. the people who say Tyreke need to be with all the rispact don't know alote about basketball.

yea TE souts the last shots but is because the ball in his ends in the last minutes and because his shooting confidence are good but is it means that he needs to be the Captain? right now absolutely no.

also Evens game dessition are not so good as you know.

in the end of the line is abaute how a Captain becoming the team better and the gus are playing near to him with the right energy and the right game mentaly leaderships. and all those things come not just with ball keeping.

i wish in the future that will be Casspi buy as you know to be Israeli is not inufe and i wish he will continue play hard and mybe to leader this young team because i know this guy and he realy leadership in his personality but ofcurse he need to be more more better and hope you guys and first of all Westpull will bring him more confidence and backup becouse he is a real good rookie.

also hope Tyreke keep to playing so well and get more better in the "together play " game.

also good luck for Spencer Jason Beno Donte Kevin Jon Ime and all those nice guys and players.

big big good luck Kings!

last word:

there here some one with a opinion about Paul Westpul leadership? :rolleyes:
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First of all, welcome to the board. And don't worry about apologizing for your English. :)

As far as your thoughts about a captain go, I think you've made some good points. And I really like Omri!!!
 
I think most people in this thread have it right -- its Cisco right now because of vet status and leadership, and Reke is inevitably going to be at least the co captain because most of the team takes their cues from him.

I don't know who the offical captains are. I would have thought Cisco and then Kevin, the latter just because teams almost always tag their best vets with the C just to avoid confusion/trouble. Reke will have a C next to his name for the same reason, but has a lot more leadership potential. All the way back in training camp Westphal was talking about how people folowed him even with him being a quiet guy.
 
thanx VF21 i realy happy and exited to be here.

the language still difficult to me because of the grammar but i'll try to do the best i can to communicate with you as well :)

and first of all to make it clear that Cisco behavior seen to me from what i know and saw him until now that he show more leadership that others but things can change always and this fact probebly will change when the team will grow up a little bit you know.

about Casspi.. i hope we will talk about him in other day and in a new good (!) main post.

;)
 
Cant disagree that Cisco is that guy right now, but I will say this. Since the start of the season, with Kmart and Garcia down, I thought Beno stepped up in this role. Obviously I cant hear what he's saying, but hes the guy always talking to players on the bench, or after timeouts walking on to the court. Beno is young, but he's played a lot of basketball on a lot of different levels - He also has a ring or 2 =]

Hes hit a ton of clutch shots and free throws this year too, so that helps his case.
 
JT has met at pre-game with the referees and the other team captain. Don't know that I've seen him called "captain".
 
guy370 said:
Ok first of all i'm sorry for the writhing mistakes i'm a Israeli and english is not my first language. thanks for the understand.

in my perrsonal opinion a Captain is a someone who brings a other things to the team players and not just a game high score or a game high minutes.

a real captain is the guy who evrey simple player will listen to his words and just to look at the captain will give the other players more confident.

its little difficult to me to explain it in english but the main idea in the Captain thing is to bring a kind of a coach to the court with some of expirience and a model personality.----> :cool:

its very difficult to find a real Captain and the first real "captains personalities" that ups to my head is players like MJ Chonsi Billups Jason Kid Gary Payton steve nash and more and more from this kind.

there are a groupe of a players that the team secsus will be in the first place and before the personality secsus!

in this team im absolutely chose Cisco(!) for this mission. the people who say Tyreke need to be with all the rispact don't know alote about basketball.

yea TE souts the last shots but is because the ball in his ends in the last minutes and because his shooting confidence are good but is it means that he needs to be the Captain? right now absolutely no.

also Evens game dessition are not so good as you know.

in the end of the line is abaute how a Captain becoming the team better and the gus are playing near to him with the right energy and the right game mentaly leaderships. and all those things come not just with ball keeping.

i wish in the future that will be Casspi buy as you know to be Israeli is not inufe and i wish he will continue play hard and mybe to leader this young team because i know this guy and he realy leadership in his personality but ofcurse he need to be more more better and hope you guys and first of all Westpull will bring him more confidence and backup becouse he is a real good rookie.

also hope Tyreke keep to playing so well and get more better in the "together play " game.

also good luck for Spencer Jason Beno Donte Kevin Jon Ime and all those nice guys and players.

big big good luck Kings!

last word:

there here some one with a opinion about Paul Westpul leadership? :rolleyes:
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Yeah I agree it should be Cisco. He's a real enthusiastic guy and he knows a lot about basketball. When he plays(hopefully soon), he's a very excited guy who puts in a lot of effort. It can't be Tyreke or Casspi yet because they're rookies IMO, even though they've been our 2 best players.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
Cant disagree that Cisco is that guy right now, but I will say this. Since the start of the season, with Kmart and Garcia down, I thought Beno stepped up in this role. Obviously I cant hear what he's saying, but hes the guy always talking to players on the bench, or after timeouts walking on to the court. Beno is young, but he's played a lot of basketball on a lot of different levels - He also has a ring or 2 =]

Hes hit a ton of clutch shots and free throws this year too, so that helps his case.
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No, that is true. The first year with us I thought Beno had some leadership chops. Then last year came by and it was a completedisaster ont hat (and many) fronts. But this year with everybody down he has clearly stepped forward in that veteran leadership role.

Should also be noted that since Kevin has come back he seems to have (adn this would be more about him I think) stepped back, lost his aggression and leadership, and maybe not felt like it was his team or his minutes down the stretch to win games etc.
 
Bricklayer said:
No, that is true. The first year with us I thought Beno had some leadership chops. Then last year came by and it was a completedisaster ont hat (and many) fronts. But this year with everybody down he has clearly stepped forward in that veteran leadership role.

Should also be noted that since Kevin has come back he seems to have (adn this would be more about him I think) stepped back, lost his aggression and leadership, and maybe not felt like it was his team or his minutes down the stretch to win games etc.
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Yea, I talked in several posts about how the other players are confused about what their role is on the team now that Kevin is back, but to be fair, it seems that Kevin himself is kind of confused about what his role is. Before the season began, he was the undisputed leader of the team. Now it's no longer his team, and it seems as if he is trying to do his best to not give his teammates the impression that he is "taking the team back", but I think this makes him hesitate, and there's no worse enemy to a basketball player's game than hesitation. The other players, in turn, are confused by Kevin's confusion, which causes them to hesitate as well. That's probably a big part of the chemistry problem we have been seeing since Kevin's return.
 
guy370 said:
Ok first of all i'm sorry for the writhing mistakes i'm a Israeli and english is not my first language. thanks for the understand.

in my perrsonal opinion a Captain is a someone who brings a other things to the team players and not just a game high score or a game high minutes.

a real captain is the guy who evrey simple player will listen to his words and just to look at the captain will give the other players more confident.

its little difficult to me to explain it in english but the main idea in the Captain thing is to bring a kind of a coach to the court with some of expirience and a model personality.----> :cool:

its very difficult to find a real Captain and the first real "captains personalities" that ups to my head is players like MJ Chonsi Billups Jason Kid Gary Payton steve nash and more and more from this kind.

there are a groupe of a players that the team secsus will be in the first place and before the personality secsus!

in this team im absolutely chose Cisco(!) for this mission. the people who say Tyreke need to be with all the rispact don't know alote about basketball.

yea TE souts the last shots but is because the ball in his ends in the last minutes and because his shooting confidence are good but is it means that he needs to be the Captain? right now absolutely no.

also Evens game dessition are not so good as you know.

in the end of the line is abaute how a Captain becoming the team better and the gus are playing near to him with the right energy and the right game mentaly leaderships. and all those things come not just with ball keeping.

i wish in the future that will be Casspi buy as you know to be Israeli is not inufe and i wish he will continue play hard and mybe to leader this young team because i know this guy and he realy leadership in his personality but ofcurse he need to be more more better and hope you guys and first of all Westpull will bring him more confidence and backup becouse he is a real good rookie.

also hope Tyreke keep to playing so well and get more better in the "together play " game.

also good luck for Spencer Jason Beno Donte Kevin Jon Ime and all those nice guys and players.

big big good luck Kings!

last word:

there here some one with a opinion about Paul Westpul leadership? :rolleyes:
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Hey man, don't worry about your English. We've been a very international basketball team for a long time, so we're used to posters who don't speak English as their first language. Also, I agree with a lot of your points. Garcia is the default captain right now, and with the way he has taken the younger guys (especially Omri) under his wing, I think he's deserving of the title. About your criticism of Evans, I think it's important to note that a lot of Tyreke's questionable late game decisions have been, according to him and coach Westphal, plays specifically drawn up for Tyreke. In the NBA, when the game is on the line, it's best to have your superstar take the last shot. MJ did it, Kobe does it, and right now, we're trying to make Tyreke our guy. It's better he gets experience in these situations now, when our overall record doesn't matter so much.

I'd like to say that I really, really like Omri Casspi. He's one of the best rookies in this league, which is incredible considering where he was drafted. Also, he NEVER gives up. That's a trait of a winning ball player. That being said, I'm not sure if we know him well enough yet to determine whether he has the leadership ability to be a future captain. His heart is definitely in the right place, but there are other factors. As an Israeli, you undoubtedly know him better than most Kings fans at this point, so you're opinion of his leadership style is certainly relevant. As he matures with the team, he'll certainly play a major role emotionally with the squad.
 
I wish i could to tell you in english what i know and belive him in hebrew but just say that wow...

Watch in this kid closely, his passion for the game belonge to other times when the Show on the NBA was not the most important thing.

Im sure that until right now they are alote of basketball fans that waiting for the new legand with a "soul" game you know, a kind of a player that can die on the curt and alssow keep live and also breathing the teameits, i wish Westpul will give him just more backup and keep belive him as well as he belive in tyreke (mybe is a too big asking i don't know) and Omri will be come to be a someone which we will happy to discus about alot in this forum in the next few years.

its sucks that my english not so fine but it is great to talk with you about basketball actualy with the sinse language or i dont know what but it dosen't metter, right?

:)
 
guy370 said:
I wish i could to tell you in english what i know and belive him in hebrew but just say that wow...

Watch in this kid closely, his passion for the game belonge to other times when the Show on the NBA was not the most important thing.

Im sure that until right now they are alote of basketball fans that waiting for the new legand with a "soul" game you know, a kind of a player that can die on the curt and alssow keep live and also breathing the teameits, i wish Westpul will give him just more backup and keep belive him as well as he belive in tyreke (mybe is a too big asking i don't know) and Omri will be come to be a someone which we will happy to discus about alot in this forum in the next few years.

its sucks that my english not so fine but it is great to talk with you about basketball actualy with the sinse language or i dont know what but it dosen't metter, right?

:)
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Again, don't worry about the language - your points are coming across fine, I think.

I am always impressed with those that come here with English as a second (or third, etc.) language and are able to converse as well as they do. :D The folks we get upset about are those that treat this board as a place to practice text messages.....
 
lets worry about a team captain when we get and stay above .500. being team captain for a 15-27 team is like being a donkeys rear end in a parade.
 
Tyrant may have seen the real deal here. With 5 first/second yr guys on the team getting major minutes plus the new coaches plus the two best vets being out all year until Kevin returned, there should be no Team Captain. Tyrekes personality is laid back and his verbal skills are watching and waiting until he has a better grasp on what will be his best role in the NBA.

Kevin should have been the "leader" the past 2 years but that was not his schtick. Cisco got into the "leader" role last year and with good reason. But he has been out this year yet still bringing the "leadership" role in the background. Kevin or Cisco should be the captain when both are on the floor and the team is moving up. Tyreke has his plate full learning now. so does Omri. Give it time. Be patient. (gee, where have I heard THAT before?).
 
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