Tank or try to win post-Karl? (split)

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206Fan said:
If we fire Karl mid-season we're going to tank... I see no reason to even try to be competitive with a new coach at helm. Good chances are, the players won't magically be able to learn the scheme...they don't even know how to play the scheme they're in now.

The last poopoo we should be doing is trying to get into the playoffs with barely .400, ending up 10th seed, and losing our pick.
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Pick is minimal, its protected 1-3, and with a potential swap ball buster dropping it a bit....but right now we're at 9. Chicago may still get it regardless at 11-30

http://www.tankathon.com/

I'd rather push and make the best of things. Being somewhat respectable could help in free agency too.
 
No matter what this team needs to try and win. There's no more room for a losing mentality, especially since the media will skewer them for another coaching change
 
There's just no way that Vlade would even considering tanking. If anything, he'd want to use the rest of the season to instill playing "the right way", let guys play with some pride, serve as spoilers for the playoff teams, make a last-minute mad run at the #8 seed, etc. Finish the season off strong, then pick right up next year with some fresh blood and more experience/camaraderie under the belt.
 
Try to win.

This season was always about try to win. Tanking is done for us. Its over. People need to move past it. This is a vet team. Time to see what they might be under other leadership.

Of course we as a franchise need to do something right to make it more obviously so.
 
CuzistanKing said:
There's just no way that Vlade would even considering tanking. If anything, he'd want to use the rest of the season to instill playing "the right way", let guys play with some pride, serve as spoilers for the playoff teams, make a last-minute mad run at the #8 seed, etc. Finish the season off strong, then pick right up next year with some fresh blood and more experience/camaraderie under the belt.
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Looking at the tankathon, 10th is pretty close I believe at our worst. I'm not seeing any incentive to tank at all.
 
This definitely felt like a "last straw" kind of game for us. Two months ago there was disagreement about why we weren't playing better. It seems a majority of observers are pointing out the same kinds of things now and it all points to George Karl being fired soon. One thing should be made clear though: we're only 3 1/2 games out of a playoff spot in early February. We are not tanking the rest of the season! The gamble is to see if these guys bounce back and show some signs of life post-Karl. We could ride a little mini-wave of momentum back into the #8 spot and then all we need to do is maintain it by playing .500 ball the rest of the way. I could be wrong about this, but I don't see Utah, Portland, Denver or New Orleans improving so much from here on that .500 ball isn't good enough to hold onto that spot.
 
randymoss1881 said:
Tank for ****ing what. Draft class is ass anyway
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A lottery pick has a lot of trade value with the salary cap set to explode and rookie contracts locked in. Tanking would give us a trade asset. There will be teams that fall in love with a Top 10 player and offer plenty. The Celts offered four #1 picks to try to draft Winslow. I am not saying we should tank but it would not be for not.
 
sdballer said:
Or try to bring in a coach that develops systems around this core's strengths
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Maybe that as well I'm down with either but as i have stated before Rondo/Gay will only get worse moving forward and the team's current ceiling with any coach is still fairly low.
 
KingMilz said:
Maybe that as well I'm down with either but as i have stated before Rondo/Gay will only get worse moving forward and the team's current ceiling with any coach is still fairly low.
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Probably, but that ceiling is where this team needs to be. The #8 seed will do wonders to wipe some of the stench of losing. We're not asking for a championship overnight, but we need to take the first step.
 
Kings will lose no matter what because they're befuddled bad team. So try to win just like sort of now and go ahead lose, lose some more. Not tanking, just dismal reality.
 
Spike said:
Probably, but that ceiling is where this team needs to be. The #8 seed will do wonders to wipe some of the stench of losing. We're not asking for a championship overnight, but we need to take the first step.
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Not expecting championship's at all but the reality is you need your core guys to compete every night you don't get that from these three currently and I have not seen it out of them for nearly half a decade. Rondo has not been the competitor he was since his injury, that's always been a Rudy flaw and Cousins aside from one stretch under Malone takes games off all the time. It's a fatal flaw all three have currently.
 
The Hammer said:
We tank we risk losing Cousins. Simple as that.

Goes like this:

Rondo leaves.
Next season goes to poopoo.
Vets demand trades.
Cousins demands trade behind closed doors (because he has that clout)
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Your right. Tanking is not even on the table.
This team could get VERY BAD very quick if the FO screws this one up.
 
It depends on what this team wants to do next season:

1. Does it intend to re-sign Rondo and keep together this core, strengthen where possible in free agency, and bring in a new coach to try and turn this team into a lay off team.

2. Blow it up and start over, but I don't think Cousins would be on board with that, so it could be a big overhaul and trying to build around new young talent - which wouldn't appeal to our fans after so many years of hurt.

3. Take a middle road approach where we keep hold of Cousins, and perhaps Rondo, then try to rebuild the supporting cast with new upgrades in free agency and the draft if we finish with a top ten pick.

In all honestly we need to win games and try to do as well as possible because that will help us in free agency and keeping this team together. I feel that this is the way we will go because with a new arena we'll want play off basketball rather than years of rebuilding. So this year I'd say we'll try and win rather than tank, then retool in the summer.
 
What this sounds like is what the 49ers went through around a decade ago.
They had made so many bad moves that it led to a 4-5 year dead zone that the fans called salary cap hell. The team was stuck. Couldn't do anything until all those bad decisions were off the books. The fans knew what was going on in the FO so it was expected but it really really sucked.
 
The time for tanking is over. Whatever is deciding with the Coach the Team needs to win as many games as possible. I still think the Team is one wing defender away from defending the three point line better. Of course the defensive set has to allow guys to stay on their man.
 

5 games out 30 left to play.

I'd rather win, but if we get 7-8 out with 20 games left....

Especially if we have an interim coach.
 
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