They have basically the same numbers. Kanter better on offense but is god awful on defense and he's not going to get better. Is Kanter better than JT? Doubt it
Take this Chad Ford report...
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Bricklayer
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Before last season I was quite high on Kanter as a post player. Very sophisticated moves. Not sure what to say at the moment. Didn't really understand what happened to him this past season.
This. Or why he and Favors didn't work together. In theory, they're perfect compliments. Favors is the rim protecter/guy who hangs around the rim to clean up the junk. Kanter is the all-around skilled offensive player who has the jumper to space the floor as well.
Kanter is still inside out player - jumper is too unreliable, but Favors takes too much space inside for Kanter to operate at full strength. Plus outside of their SF position Jazz doesn't have much shooting. That's why with Williams at 4 both Favors and Kanter looked so good. In theory they just need shooting from SG position in the starting lineup plus shooter as first big man off the bench.
Uh.....Kanter scores more, by a lot is a better rebounder, better free throw shooter, better at getting to the line and is 5 years younger. He didn't really get to play college ball at all and has only had one year of getting starters minutes. Not sure why you would think that there is no way he is going to get better.
Defensively he is a decent man to man defender but is terrible at defensive rotations. Sound familiar? Oh and he doesn't whine like a 2 year old that didn't get his way every time he fouls someone.
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Go look at the numbers, and I should have more clear, he's not going to get better defensively...IMO. I'm not a JT fan but I also won't over rate Kanter. Kanter's defense is poor and I don't believe it's goingto improve....he can prove me wrong though
Uh...what numbers are you looking at?
Look at the per 36 numbers....very similar.
Yeah, and they show Kanter as the better player.
Chupacabra
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All systems go on a larry Sanders deal, please. DO IT.
Really depends on what we send back. He scares the hell out of me.
Chupacabra
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With exception of Cousins, send em all!
Coming off a disastrous season, with serious behavioral and teammate chemistry issues and 4 more years at 11M per? Hoping we'd be more thoughtful than that.
Chupacabra
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Does anyone believe he Isn't capable as a defensive anchor type of player? Haven't we really wanted a rim protection, defensive anchor for some time now? Malone is our defense 1st coach. Give him defensive players. Im certain we could unload Landry In the deal too.
randymoss1881
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Well we ranked 2nd to last in allowed paint points and Sanders is an elite behind Hibbert in that area.
They show slightly better offensive numbers (minimally) and JT is much better defensively....so like I said, they are about the same talent level. Then again when your a Jazz fan, your going to overvalue EK's defense.
I'll say it right now, JT and Favors probably is more effective than Kanter and Favors.....it's just hypothetical.
kingsboi
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If the asking price is right, I would not hesitate to bring in Larry Sanders. I know we are trying to get good character guys here but we need talent in the worst way and a shot blocker at that. He is pricey so I don't see that as much of a possibility unless you move some pieces but good luck to Pete.
ParniValjak
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Sanders fits to a degree in terms of style of player next to Cousins. Ideally you want a guy who can guard Cs and PFs and has a reliable mid range jumper to keep defences honest. In a perfect world a Serge Ibaka. We don't live in a perfect world.
Apart from his behavioural issues, Sanders is still earning $11M per year over the next 4 years. That is Serge Ibaka money and he is not as good as Serge.
Apart from his behavioural issues, Sanders is still earning $11M per year over the next 4 years. That is Serge Ibaka money and he is not as good as Serge.
Well, if Kings get Sanders of two years ago, that guy was a superior to Ibaka as a defender/rebounder, so you could live with bad offense even with such a salary. Problem is last year's version was nowhere near that level and more of MLE defensive specialist. Still Kings have dead weight of their own, so if it's Landry+Terry, let's gamble, but if any positive asset is involved you have think hard.
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randymoss1881
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Well when you can't attract free agents like sacramento and we have a budding franchise player like DMC I think we should take that chance that he could get back to that defender.
Bricklayer
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Come on guys, Kanter is a considerably more talented player than Jason Thompson. Highly skilled.
But EFFECTIVENESS is another question right now. He sucked last year, and while when Jason topped out he was able to slip into a roleplayer's role pretty easily, Kanter looks to be more of an all or nothing guy. Either he emerges as a major offensive weapon for you, or he's not really the type of player you want as a roleplayer.
But EFFECTIVENESS is another question right now. He sucked last year, and while when Jason topped out he was able to slip into a roleplayer's role pretty easily, Kanter looks to be more of an all or nothing guy. Either he emerges as a major offensive weapon for you, or he's not really the type of player you want as a roleplayer.
Hadlowe
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There's a case to be made that he's a super sub type like Luis Scola (ignoring his poor playoff showing this year.) You put a skilled post player but weak defender in against a second unit and you can do some real damage in limited time against backup bigs.
Tetsujin
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Ummm
thedofd
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Apologies if this Chad Ford rumor was posted elsewhere: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...-Schröder-Knight-With-No-8-Pick-As-Trade-Chip
Doesn't exactly knock my socks off. I know some people liked Schroder last year, but he didn't exactly take the league by storm. Spent some time in Bakersfield with the D-League. Trading this year's No. 8 for last year's No. 17? Ummm. And I'm not sure how much difference there is between Knight and the Pizza Guy. A little bit of size, perhaps.
Doesn't exactly knock my socks off. I know some people liked Schroder last year, but he didn't exactly take the league by storm. Spent some time in Bakersfield with the D-League. Trading this year's No. 8 for last year's No. 17? Ummm. And I'm not sure how much difference there is between Knight and the Pizza Guy. A little bit of size, perhaps.
randymoss1881
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If we trade for brandon knight I am gonna loose it.
Dime Dropper
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Don't worry, the 8 won't be traded for Schroeder or Knight alone. If it happens, there'll be other pieces involved, unless PDA wants fans almost unanimously calling for his head. Knight doesn't excite me in any way, don't want him. Schroeder is interesting but only in a bigger deal, the 8 is worth significantly more than him alone.
macadocious
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Ok so a few scenarios here that make sense (I'm not 100% if salaries are close enough for trades, not doing trade machine)
#8 and Outlaw for Schoeder and #15. We then take Lavine/Stuaskas/Payton/Harris/Capela
#8 and JT and Terry Buyout for Schroeder and Horford
#8 and JT and Outlaw and Terry Buyout for Knight and Sanders
I'm OK with any of those options, but they are not the end all be all.
#8 and Outlaw for Schoeder and #15. We then take Lavine/Stuaskas/Payton/Harris/Capela
#8 and JT and Terry Buyout for Schroeder and Horford
#8 and JT and Outlaw and Terry Buyout for Knight and Sanders
I'm OK with any of those options, but they are not the end all be all.
Bricklayer
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yeah, started anew thread on it, just because thise was meant as a game thread of sorts. But no biggee.
Another thing occurred to me about Knight. He doesn't have much value right now. I wouldn't think #8., BUT, and hear me out on this one:
1) the SG situation in the NBA right now is terrible. Very few monsters.
2) Brandon Knight is a combo guard. 6'3" and not thick, not at all what you want out of a SG, but the Bucks have been talking about drafting Exum and moving Knight off ball.
3) as a PG, Knight is not creative. As a SG, its like the Doug Christie thing. Or Tyreke. All of a sudden you get an extra passer.
So, these reports, especially from guys like Ford, are often muddled, filled with half accuracies. What if we weren't dangling #8 for Knight, what if we were dangling Ben for Knight, with the intention of having Knight take over at SG? More proven player. Adds additional passing and ballhandling. Then the Bucks could go forward with their super youth movement with Exum/Ben/Giannis, and multiple lottery dives.
The salaries line up. And wouldn't that fit the "trying to get more established players without completely going grey" reported desire around here? Think Knight might even have been a #7 pick. #7 for #7
Another thing occurred to me about Knight. He doesn't have much value right now. I wouldn't think #8., BUT, and hear me out on this one:
1) the SG situation in the NBA right now is terrible. Very few monsters.
2) Brandon Knight is a combo guard. 6'3" and not thick, not at all what you want out of a SG, but the Bucks have been talking about drafting Exum and moving Knight off ball.
3) as a PG, Knight is not creative. As a SG, its like the Doug Christie thing. Or Tyreke. All of a sudden you get an extra passer.
So, these reports, especially from guys like Ford, are often muddled, filled with half accuracies. What if we weren't dangling #8 for Knight, what if we were dangling Ben for Knight, with the intention of having Knight take over at SG? More proven player. Adds additional passing and ballhandling. Then the Bucks could go forward with their super youth movement with Exum/Ben/Giannis, and multiple lottery dives.
The salaries line up. And wouldn't that fit the "trying to get more established players without completely going grey" reported desire around here? Think Knight might even have been a #7 pick. #7 for #7
Letsgokings13
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I love this one
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