Summer League Consolation Round Kings Vs. Miami

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#31
I'm going to re-ask the question I had during the first Warriors game: is there a limit to how many times you can play in Summer League, if you don't play in the NBA? Just supposing, for argument's sake, that you were good enough to make the Summer League squad, but not good enough to make the final cut in training camp, but they kept inviting you back to Summer League (just make up your own reason why they would; don't fight the hypothetical), how many years would you be allowed to go out for Summer League before they told you, "Sorry, you've had enough"?
They wouldn't. Why would it matter? Guys get paid little here, so its a risk for them compared to their regular careers. But you see some of the same names popping up year after year trying to catch on. 2 years in the d-league, a couple of summer leagues, go overseas, come back for another summer league etc.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

Doryphore of KingsFans.com
Staff member
#32
They wouldn't. Why would it matter? Guys get paid little here, so its a risk for them compared to their regular careers. But you see some of the same names popping up year after year trying to catch on. 2 years in the d-league, a couple of summer leagues, go overseas, come back for another summer league etc.
Well, the specific hypothetical I had in mind was, suppose you had a guy who played basketball in college. For whatever reason, he didn't play in the NBA; maybe he straight wasn't good enough, maybe he was good enough, but was one of the one percent who legit had other options. But, the guy still loves basketball, and he loves to "rub shoulders" with NBA players and, what do you know, the GM of NBA Team X is his frat brother. Or he and the owner are members of the same country club. Or the assistant coach is his brother in-law. The reason doesn't matter; make one up.

Assuming that everything was ethically above board about him getting invited to try out for the summer league squad, and that he was actually good enough to make the squad on his own merits, you think that there's no limit to how many years he can play on the team?
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#33
Well, the specific hypothetical I had in mind was, suppose you had a guy who played basketball in college. For whatever reason, he didn't play in the NBA; maybe he straight wasn't good enough, maybe he was good enough, but was one of the one percent who legit had other options. But, the guy still loves basketball, and he loves to "rub shoulders" with NBA players and, what do you know, the GM of NBA Team X is his frat brother. Or he and the owner are members of the same country club. Or the assistant coach is his brother in-law. The reason doesn't matter; make one up.

Assuming that everything was ethically above board about him getting invited to try out for the summer league squad, and that he was actually good enough to make the squad on his own merits, you think that there's no limit to how many years he can play on the team?
Yeah, my feeling would be that the SL teams are largely unregulated. Get guys coming in from all over, some only show up for a few games and leave. Some are old, some young. Teams used to decide to play in this summer league or that one, but the next year changed that up. Despite the new fancy Vegas trappings it has always felt more like tryout scrimmages teams agree to amongst themselves. There are rules obviously, and its sanctioned. But I sincerely doubt anything as advanced and intrusive as an upper age limit or something. Just after a while teams aren't going to be interested in seeing you anymore because they'll have made up their minds you aren't going to make it.
 

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#36
If you have an NBA team contract, you cannot be asked by a team to go to summer league more than 3 years I believe. If however, you are on the outside looking in with no NBA contract, seems you can go as long as a team will have you no matter how many years you play. Back 12-14 years ago Big ole Ollie Miller went in his 8th season trying to get on an NBA team as a 6-8 330 lb PF. And this year was a guy with 11 years experience playing for one team. When I can find specifics will edit/update reply.
 
#37
I'm going to re-ask the question I had during the first Warriors game: is there a limit to how many times you can play in Summer League, if you don't play in the NBA? Just supposing, for argument's sake, that you were good enough to make the Summer League squad, but not good enough to make the final cut in training camp, but they kept inviting you back to Summer League (just make up your own reason why they would; don't fight the hypothetical), how many years would you be allowed to go out for Summer League before they told you, "Sorry, you've had enough"?

 
#38
Does anyone know if there are going to be any other Kings summer league games? Ive had a hell of a time figuring out our schedule. I missed 2 games!
 
#41
This final game gave me a glimpse of what kind of a player Willie can be, when he is aggressive and locked in. Today he played great defense and had a huge impact on the second half of the game.
Just finished watching the game for a second time and came away very impressed. Hope this will translate into the NBA.
Still upset by the nonesense the commentators were talking about our PG position being a weakness last season and the need to draft Mudiay.
Did they watch a single Kings game last season, when DC, DMC and Rudy were healthy?
 
#42
The casual fan and media consensus about collison is that he's a backup pg.

I think he's better than that. His struggles in Dallas (and now both our PGs share that history) continue to follow him.

The pg position for the team overall was a weakness. The dropoff from DC to Ray/Ramon was massive. And when DC was hurt, a Ray/Andre duo had to be nearly nba worst. Neither are guys you want to depend on at this point in their careers.

That didn't mean we had a strong need to draft a PG however. Improve, yes. Draft, no. And rondo is a step up. A risky one, but every single draft pick is just as big of a risk if not bigger.

The biggest weakness on this team is defense. It has been for almost a decade now. WCS has the potential to be the kind of guy that makes a massive difference on that end. He plugs the biggest hole on this team. I'm of the opinion you start WCS from day 1. I understand the floor spacing argument, but that discounts rondo at his peak was one of the greatest passers you'll ever see, and dmc is also very high level. And WCS, while not a floor spacer at this point, is not someone you can ignore either. You forget about him he's right there for easy dunks. And he seems like a very quick learner. I can live with the growing pains.

And how about his? The Sacramento Kings actually have legit options on who to start at PF! There's a real live debate. Last year, JT wasn't a great option, but he still was, to me, the clear best option on the team. Landry? Reggie? Just not nba starters. Koufos is a different story.
 
#43
The casual fan and media consensus about collison is that he's a backup pg.

I think he's better than that. His struggles in Dallas (and now both our PGs share that history) continue to follow him.

The pg position for the team overall was a weakness. The dropoff from DC to Ray/Ramon was massive. And when DC was hurt, a Ray/Andre duo had to be nearly nba worst. Neither are guys you want to depend on at this point in their careers.

That didn't mean we had a strong need to draft a PG however. Improve, yes. Draft, no. And rondo is a step up. A risky one, but every single draft pick is just as big of a risk if not bigger.

The biggest weakness on this team is defense. It has been for almost a decade now. WCS has the potential to be the kind of guy that makes a massive difference on that end. He plugs the biggest hole on this team. I'm of the opinion you start WCS from day 1. I understand the floor spacing argument, but that discounts rondo at his peak was one of the greatest passers you'll ever see, and dmc is also very high level. And WCS, while not a floor spacer at this point, is not someone you can ignore either. You forget about him he's right there for easy dunks. And he seems like a very quick learner. I can live with the growing pains.

And how about his? The Sacramento Kings actually have legit options on who to start at PF! There's a real live debate. Last year, JT wasn't a great option, but he still was, to me, the clear best option on the team. Landry? Reggie? Just not nba starters. Koufos is a different story.
Spacing is an issue, but I think it gets overblown. Rondo's championship year had him sharing the floor with two shooters, one pick and pop big, and a lamp post named Kendrick Perkins. WCS is at least Perkins' equal on offense already.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#44
I'm going to re-ask the question I had during the first Warriors game: is there a limit to how many times you can play in Summer League, if you don't play in the NBA? Just supposing, for argument's sake, that you were good enough to make the Summer League squad, but not good enough to make the final cut in training camp, but they kept inviting you back to Summer League (just make up your own reason why they would; don't fight the hypothetical), how many years would you be allowed to go out for Summer League before they told you, "Sorry, you've had enough"?
If your a continuing want to be, then you can keep playing in summer league until number one, you don't get invited anymore, or number two, you decide as a player not to participate any longer. Most of the rosters are made up of players like Liggins, who plays in europe every season and tries to hone his skills enough to make the next step. For a lot of them, it's close, but no cigar.......