SacKings7
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Actually, Douby was quite the player in college too, albeit in a weaker conference. I'll call them equal until Curry proves me wrong
Actually, Douby was quite the player in college too, albeit in a weaker conference. I'll call them equal until Curry proves me wrong
creative one
Bench
WHA??????????? It's December. What has he done in friggin' December to prove that he can play PG in the NBA? Nothing. Like I've said before, he's an on-the-ball SG. That's all he'll ever be AFAIC.
I've seen him play every year since his freshman season, as I'm an East Coaster. I get to see the games you guys don't. He's not a PG. He's not really a SG, either. He's a small guard who can score at a very high rate. College basketball has seen players like him before. He's an exciting player but not worth mortgaging the future on.
He's not a PG. He will never be a PG in the NBA. He might (big MIGHT) be able to start at SG alongside a big PG on a bad team, but that's about it.
This is called "spin". Allen Iverson does what I've described (except he does it in the pros), and he's nobody's PG. In fact, he gets ripped for NOT being enough of a PG.
bajaden said:
Curry is NOT athletic. One can be quick without being athletic (John Stockton). To be considered athletic, you have to have the right combination of strength, vertical leaping ability, and speed/quickness. Curry is quick. He is not super quick. Chris Paul is super quick. Tony Parker is super super quick and so is Patrick Mills.
bajaden said:
He's 6-1 and about 170 pounds. He'd be considered borderline undersized by NBA PG standards.
hammystyle
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OK, you've seen him, good for you. Then I just disagree with your scouting eye. I thought the House/Dixon/Gordon comps were way off. I didn't say he had proven anything....but if he handles the ball and plays the point all year as well as he has so far, then yes he has a good chance to play the point in the NBA.
I also disagree with your description of athleticism. Quickness is the key to athleticism.
Who wants to mortgage the future on him? I'm just saying he's looking like a top 10 pick, possibly top 5, and if the Kings get him or they don't, I will be really interested to see how his game translates to the pros. Read my posts, I just think he's a really interesting player and could set himself apart from the Doubys/Houses/Dixons. Statistically, he's better than all those guys.
creative one
Bench
Save that belittling nonsense. You were claiming that I haven't seen him play because I don't think his numbers (especially his assists and steals stats) speak to him being an NBA PG prospect. Watching him play a handful of times this season, I've yet to see him prove he can be a college-level PG against decent-to-good NCAA competition, let alone an NBA prospect at that position. Remember Oklahoma?
Then you didn't watch them play in college, apparently, and that defeats the purpose of this exchange. You're comparing what Stephen Curry is doing in college to what House/Dixon/Gordon have done as PROS while I'm comparing them based on what they achieved as collegians. He's not significantly better (or, in some cases, not better at all) than they were as collegians skill-wise, but he played for a team that's significantly worse than the teams Dixon and Gordon played on. Thus, he puts up ungodly numbers. Not knocking the kid, but it is what it is. He's a special college player--keyword being "college".
That's fine. I don't need you to agree with my definition of athleticism. I think most NBA scouts would agree with my definition of athleticism, and they definitely don't see Curry as "athletic".
Selecting him with a Top 5 pick is mortgaging the future on him. Picking him that high is basically saying that you see him as a piece in your team's future puzzle. You're telling me that an undersized SG who's switching to PG for the first time in his career as a college upperclassman is worth selecting with a Top 5 pick? You've gotta pass me what you're smoking!
IMO, he would have to have some eyepopping measurables to be a Top 5 pick. If they determine in Orlando that he's not that quick, not that fast, can't jump that high, and isn't that tall, his draft stock is going to take a major hit.
"Those guys" played in major Division 1 conferences. Their numbers are going to be lower because (1) they didn't play 40 mpg against mid-majors in December and (2) they faced tougher individual competition against other future pros in the Pac-10, ACC, and Big East.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
creative one said:
I have never walked up to him with a tape measure and got his real measurements. We'll find out what the truth is at the pre-draft camp. At the present moment pt guards in the NBA average from 6'3" to 6'1", with some taller and some shorter one's thrown in. NBA Draft Net has him listed at 6'1" and 180 pounds. Draftexpress has him at 6'3" and 180 pounds. NBA Mock Draft has him at 6'3" and 185 pounds. I suspect the truth lies somewhere in between.
Its really a matter of whether he can play the position or not, and I'm not saying he can. As I pointed out orginally, I'm not a proponent of converting two guards into pt guards. So, I'm in a wait and see mode with him.
And, by the way, if I ask anyone if they have seen a player play, I'm not being contentious. You have no idea how many people on this fourm post their ideas on a player without ever having seen him play. Thats not a critizism of anyone, its just a fact. I realize that everyone doesn't have the time to sit and watch every college game that comes down the pike. So a lot of them rely on the mock draft fourms.
hammystyle
Starter
My belittling nonsense was a response to your overexagerated "WHA??????"....I saw house play maybe once in college, I saw Dixon and Gordon playaround 20-30 times in college. I've seen Curry 5 times. If you think they're basically the same then I discount your opinion. That's why I originially said it sounded like you've never seen him play. I guess we're just seeing different things. I mean Dixon?? Just a bad comp.
Quickness and agility are the basic tenets of athleticism for an NBA PG. I guarantee any NBA scout rates quickness way way ahead of strength and vertical when grading athletic ability. Vertical and strength are gravy, not a requisite.
I'm not saying I want to lock him in right now as the best prospect and a lock for a top 5, but if he continues to play and grow as a PG as well as he has this year....averaging 30 PPG 6-7 APG...then yeah, he's a viable top 5 pick. I'm not staking my oath on him as a possible NBA PG, but I think he could be, and I thnk his upside is something special. The only guard prospect I would 100% for sure put ahead of him is Rubio.
I don't think you'll have to worry about us taking Curry with Houston's pick.
FakeInjury
Bench
I was thinking bibby.
captain bill
All-Star
This post really popped out at me reading through this thread. He seems like a really exciting young player, and exactly the type of player that Petrie goes after; someone who would fit well in a Princeton style offense (a good unselfish player who will pass the ball with a quick release and accurate shot) and also a potentially undervalued player since he's from a lesser school, and also the 'unconventional pick' if you listen to drafts boards, experts, etc.
As has been mentioned his size shouldn't be an enormous issue, as many PGs make it in the NBA at 6'1, and if he is 6'3 then that is just about average. He looks like a good pure shooter so athleticism isn't going to be the biggest issue in his success. He's also 6th in the NCAA in assists right now, so I'm not sure what people are talking about that he can't play point, he's clearly doing it very well right now. Granted he hasn't played his whole life but that I think is ultimately pretty trivial; if he can play he can play. Jason Thompson, another 'reach' player, was a guard when he got to Rider and had a huge growth spurt to turn into the player he is now.
I think this is just the type of player the Kings need to make it to the next level, a point who can shoot the lights out and pass well enough to facilitate the offense. With Curry/Martin/Salmons/JT/Hawes we could be set for a long time (and yes I do think we need to keep Salmons, who else are we gonna get who can bottle up guys like Kobe and give you 20 points on any given night?). Seems like a much better option than Rubio who really is still more hype than substance as of now.
I saw a little of the first half, and the full second half of Davidson vs. West Virginia on ESPN last night. I am not judging him off of one game, just thought I would do a quick recap for anyone interested.
Curry had a pretty bad night shooting, especially from three. West Virginia did a pretty good job of defending the screens Davidson runs for Curry, and he wasn't getting many open looks. Still, for the most part it just looked like an off night for him. His form and everything looked great, and his shot selection wasn't bad.
Defensively he looked pretty mediocre. Not a poor defender, but not a great one either. He picked up 10 assists, but he also turned the ball over a good bit as well. Some were his fault, some were his teammates not handling the passes. To me, he didn't exactly look like what I would call an instinctive playmaker for a PG, but I think it is a little early to say he could or couldn't be an NBA PG. That is something that I am sure myself and a lot of other people will be watching over the course of the season.
The game was very close at the end, but Curry pulled out of his slump to hit two extremely clutch threes to put Davidson ahead for good. They were both beautiful shots, nothing but net. On one of them he ball faked left and got the defender off-balance, allowing him to move a few steps to the right. It created just enough space for him, and he set his feet very rapidly to get off a perfect three with his feet barely over the NBA three-point line. On the other, he came off a screen and made a couple of quick steps backwards. He had a hand in his face, but knocked down the shot from behind the NBA three-point line.
Curry had a pretty bad night shooting, especially from three. West Virginia did a pretty good job of defending the screens Davidson runs for Curry, and he wasn't getting many open looks. Still, for the most part it just looked like an off night for him. His form and everything looked great, and his shot selection wasn't bad.
Defensively he looked pretty mediocre. Not a poor defender, but not a great one either. He picked up 10 assists, but he also turned the ball over a good bit as well. Some were his fault, some were his teammates not handling the passes. To me, he didn't exactly look like what I would call an instinctive playmaker for a PG, but I think it is a little early to say he could or couldn't be an NBA PG. That is something that I am sure myself and a lot of other people will be watching over the course of the season.
The game was very close at the end, but Curry pulled out of his slump to hit two extremely clutch threes to put Davidson ahead for good. They were both beautiful shots, nothing but net. On one of them he ball faked left and got the defender off-balance, allowing him to move a few steps to the right. It created just enough space for him, and he set his feet very rapidly to get off a perfect three with his feet barely over the NBA three-point line. On the other, he came off a screen and made a couple of quick steps backwards. He had a hand in his face, but knocked down the shot from behind the NBA three-point line.
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=LarryLegend=
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He isnt a point, and short for a 2.
We need a point guard! thats what we need.
We need a point guard! thats what we need.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Saw the game against West Virginia. He had some turover problems (8 in total) although some weren't really his fault. Showed he can really share the ball too, dishing 8 assists. He has a good handle, but nothing special. Does possess a very nice crossover which he sets up in a variety of ways to create space to get his shot off. Boy, is it pretty. He's going to be able to get that off in the NBA, no problem. Beautiful shot. Missed alot yesterday, but it's a sign of good things when you have an off night offensively and still end up with 27.
Came up huge once again at the end. Scored 13 of Davidsons last 14 IIRC, hitting clutch shots at the end.
I compared him to Reggie Miller earlier in this thread, and the commentators last night made that same comparison. There are a few differences, though. Reggie had better size, but to be honest he didn't use it all that greatly. I guess it helped him get his shot off over bigger defenders. Curry has better form (although the majority of NBA players had better form than Reggie!) and is less one dimensional. He doesn't have the size which may harm him, but he does have better passing instincts and alot better handle. Can create his own shot alot better than Miller could too.
Not saying he will be as successful as Reggie. I do think he could be as good, but not saying that just yet. Reggie was amazing and it would be tough to match his feats. But Curry has the talent and the cold-blooded mentality.
Just flat out like him. He's skinny, but Miller proved you don't need to have an NBA body to succeed. And before anybody compares Curry to Douby, don't! They are nothing alike. Anybody who watches Curry knows that.
Came up huge once again at the end. Scored 13 of Davidsons last 14 IIRC, hitting clutch shots at the end.
I compared him to Reggie Miller earlier in this thread, and the commentators last night made that same comparison. There are a few differences, though. Reggie had better size, but to be honest he didn't use it all that greatly. I guess it helped him get his shot off over bigger defenders. Curry has better form (although the majority of NBA players had better form than Reggie!) and is less one dimensional. He doesn't have the size which may harm him, but he does have better passing instincts and alot better handle. Can create his own shot alot better than Miller could too.
Not saying he will be as successful as Reggie. I do think he could be as good, but not saying that just yet. Reggie was amazing and it would be tough to match his feats. But Curry has the talent and the cold-blooded mentality.
Just flat out like him. He's skinny, but Miller proved you don't need to have an NBA body to succeed. And before anybody compares Curry to Douby, don't! They are nothing alike. Anybody who watches Curry knows that.
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