SPECIAL MIDWEEK EDITION Test Ron should scare off Kings

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By Marc Stein
ESPN.com


(Editor's note: ESPN.com senior NBA writer Marc Stein supplies each item for this midweek around-the-league notebook edition of the Daily Dime.)

The Sacramento Kings have not yet won the Ron Artest Sweepstakes . . . assuming you dare to call this a sweepstakes.
The Kings were far luckier than that Tuesday.
They got a one-day free preview of Life With Ron-Ron without actually trading for him.
If they're smart, it should be sufficient to convince the Kings not to go through with this deal, even if Artest pulls one of his trademark 180s and begs to be Sacto-bound on Wednesday.
Yes: Peja Stojakovic will be a free agent in July and the Kings, with roughly zero shot at keeping him after Tuesday's events, have to make sure they get something for Peja before the Feb. 23 trading deadline.
And yes: It's hard to imagine how Stojakovic could play another game for the Kings after they told him he was headed to Indy -- and after Peja told ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan in Philadelphia that he feels "disrespected" by the whole episode -- but smoothing all that out would be a minor undertaking compared to the Kings' apparent belief that they can make Artest a cornerstone of their plans to rebuild.

They can't.

No chance.


Geoff Petrie, if he's still Geoff Petrie, should be able to see that better than ever.

The Kings traded Chris Webber almost a year ago and decided to start over because A) they didn't think Webber would willingly scale back his game to be a second or third option behind Stojakovic and Mike Bibby and B) they didn't think his surgically repaired knee was sturdy enough to keep propping up the franchise.
It should nonetheless be pretty clear after the one-day free preview that Artest is no more dependable than Webber's knee.
Try (far) less dependable.
Artest is saying now that he simply wants a chance to meet with any prospective new team before a trade goes through, but surely you don't believe that an Artest about-face would hold any significance. Can you believe anything he says anymore? He changes his story daily, sometimes twice on the same day.
You're also dreaming if you think that all he needs some face-to-face love from the Maloof Bros. to buy into Sacto as an Artest kind of town. I'm a fan of the Maloofs, and it's hard not to be, but it's a lot harder to imagine an organization and city more nurturing/forgiving/enabling than the Pacers and Indianapolis have been. Artest received multiple second chances in Indy, and none of them got him any closer to reliable.
Artest might respond to the Lakers' Phil Jackson.
He might click with a fellow eccentric like George Karl in Denver.
He might be willing to be a good teammate (for a while) alongside Minnesota's Kevin Garnett.
Yet even those scenarios are maybes.
The Kings don't have the clear-cut franchise player or the coach with a hammer or the big-city allure to keep Artest committed to the team concept. Golden State really doesn't, either. Unless you've got those prerequisites, dealing for Artest goes beyond mere risk.
I have questions, too, about why Indiana would want this deal, but the overriding reason is that the Pacers have finally reached the point, after more than 40 days of this trade torture, that they simply want to make any deal. That has to be the reason, because parting with what they consider to be a prized asset for a free agent-to-be like Stojakovic -- at a time when Indy is trying to shave payroll to get away from the luxury-tax line -- doesn't sound like a typical Donnie Walsh move. One of the reasons none of Indy's talks with Denver reached completion, remember, is because Nene is also a free agent-to-be and thus probably too expensive for the Pacers to re-sign. If it brings in Stojakovic, Indy risks losing him for nothing at season's end. (Or perhaps the Pacers' secret motivation is assembling a Peja sign-and-trade in the off-season that would most likely signal a total redo of its roster . . . one that potentially includes the relocation of Jermaine O'Neal as well.)
I'm a lot less successful when I try to dig up a reason or two for the Kings to resurrect this thing. Smoothing things over with Peja, at least until they can find another deal, looks more appealing to me.
Trading Peja for Artest would give the Kings two more seasons, until the summer of 2008, with a player of All-Star caliber at a reasonable price: Artest is owed $15 million in 2006-07 and '07-08 before he has the right to declare for free agency. This assumes, of course, that he'd actually be a willing teammate all that time. I wouldn't bet a tenner at The Palms that Artest makes it to the end of this season without incident if he became a King.
With Bonzi Wells as a teammate?
The Kings already know what it's like to trade for a player who has reservations about Sacramento. The trade Petrie swung to get Webber turned out to be one of the greatest heists in NBA history.
But Webber's knee X-ray back then was not nearly as ghastly as Artest's reputation for, uh, unpredictability. That was a fraction of the gamble this would be, especially since the Kings were a nothing-to-lose laughingstock in those days. Their mission now is finding a way back to the elite.
This ain't it. A wise GM once said that sometimes the best trades are the ones you agree to and then back out of. The Kings will be very, very lucky if Petrie says that to himself when the Pacers call back.
 
This article is EXACTLY what I was saying in my thread about dodging a bullet -

"They got a one-day free preview of Life With Ron-Ron without actually trading for him.
If they're smart, it should be sufficient to convince the Kings not to go through with this deal, even if Artest pulls one of his trademark 180s and begs to be Sacto-bound on Wednesday."

Yup.
 
QueensFan said:
This article is EXACTLY what I was saying in my thread about dodging a bullet -

"They got a one-day free preview of Life With Ron-Ron without actually trading for him.
If they're smart, it should be sufficient to convince the Kings not to go through with this deal, even if Artest pulls one of his trademark 180s and begs to be Sacto-bound on Wednesday."

Yup.
yup i just read your thread:D
 
Hmmm. I see it, but after being bashed over the head with our own Bricklayers comments, I see the Kings as a team not unlike the one in 98' What are we going to dump into the lottery even further?! I just hope we would be able to trade Artest again if need be.

I just think we all need to have a place in our backs saved up for the possibility. In the least. I will trust Geoff Petrie!! This is a huge gamble, but are we not a team maybe needing to take a gamble? I don't know, I am more on the fence right now. If he doesn't want to come here than screw him. I am down to send Peja to Denver for Nene and Watson and hope we get a good lotto pick.
 
Mark Stein said exactly what I've thought all along. God I hope this deal is dead so we can move on to another trade involving Pedja ASAP.
 
QueensFan said:
This article is EXACTLY what I was saying in my thread about dodging a bullet -

"They got a one-day free preview of Life With Ron-Ron without actually trading for him.
If they're smart, it should be sufficient to convince the Kings not to go through with this deal, even if Artest pulls one of his trademark 180s and begs to be Sacto-bound on Wednesday."

Yup.
everyone's pointing out this article, and even with all the critisism, and bad blood with both parties, Peja and Ron...Petrie still does this trade, in the end. Ron Artest WILL BE a Sacramento King. Peja WILL BE a Pacer. Tomorrow. Now whether or not Ron falls in love with Sacramento like the once troubled C-Webb did, and decides to stay put for the remainder of his career at least...not sure what happens. Artest, like Webb, has 3 years remaining on his contract at the point of being traded to the Kings.
 
Circa_1985_Fan said:
everyone's pointing out this article, and even with all the critisism, and bad blood with both parties, Peja and Ron...Petrie still does this trade, in the end. Ron Artest WILL BE a Sacramento King. Peja WILL BE a Pacer. Tomorrow. Now whether or not Ron falls in love with Sacramento like the once troubled C-Webb did, and decides to stay put for the remainder of his career at least...not sure what happens. Artest, like Webb, has 3 years remaining on his contract at the point of being traded to the Kings.


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Well, for those who don't want Ron as a King, maybe the fact that Jermaine O'neal may have been injured tonight will change what the Pacers are looking for. On realgm.com he said he heard his groin "pop". Maybe they won't want Peja now?
 
Stojakovic said:
Ron Artest is a superstar ? When'd that happen ?

he certianly has the goods to be, on both ends of the floor.

if only anyone could do anything with that 2 cent brain of his...... he'd easily be a top 10 player IMO

too bad he's a moron
 
I believe this is the second time I've ever agreed with anything Marc Stein has written.
 
Stojakovic said:
Ron Artest is a superstar ? When'd that happen ?

I am not a fan of trading for him, but the guy did finish 3rd team all-NBA and win defensive player of the year in his last full season 2003-2004. That is closer to superstar than anyone we have right now (with no disrespect at all to Mike Bibby). Feel free to question his sanity, but I don't think it is fair to question his on the court skills.
 
Rain man said:
I am not a fan of trading for him, but the guy did finish 3rd team all-NBA and win defensive player of the year in his last full season 2003-2004. That is closer to superstar than anyone we have right now (with no disrespect at all to Mike Bibby). Feel free to question his sanity, but I don't think it is fair to question his on the court skills.

I didn't question his skill. Normally, when you say superstar you talk about the Kobe's, Duncan's and Shaq's...not the Artest's.

Besides, didn't Peja finish all NBA-Second team the year before that ? Wasn't he also voted 3rd in MVP ? I'd say that's pretty comparable to Artest's achievements.
 
Rain man said:
I am not a fan of trading for him, but the guy did finish 3rd team all-NBA and win defensive player of the year in his last full season 2003-2004. That is closer to superstar than anyone we have right now (with no disrespect at all to Mike Bibby). Feel free to question his sanity, but I don't think it is fair to question his on the court skills.
That is the key part....doesn't matter how great somebody is, if they end up almost never playing. That could happen here, too.
 
no disrespect to peja, but i think the kings should go for it. if they dont like artest, they can trade him away and possibly get more for ronnie than they would have gotten for peja. the ball is in their court
 
If they don't like Artest they can trade him away? Hmmm. Where have I heard that before?

Oh wait. It's coming back to me. Something about flexible pieces...

Thomas, Skinner, Williamson.

If Artest doesn't make it here, do you really think there's another team out there that's going to save our bacon?

Sorry, Laker fan, but that's pretty delusional.
 
Like, its obvious the Pacers have had so many great offers for Artest. Its just taken them weeks to realize that a trade for Pedja, who is not doing so well and has been injured a lot this year, is a really great deal. So if Artest screws up here, teams will be making great offers to the Kings?:rolleyes:
 
VF21 said:
If Artest doesn't make it here, do you really think there's another team out there that's going to save our bacon?

Maybe we can trade him to the Raiders for Randy Moss:)

If Artest fails here the market value on him will be VERY low and he will be very difficult to move. It would take a team of unbridled arrogance to trade for him and think they can turn him around if he fails here. The only teams in all of sports I can think of that would consider such a trade is the Raiders and Knicks. And the Knicks won't offer any of their good young fellas...
 
Rain man said:
Maybe we can trade him to the Raiders for Randy Moss:)

If Artest fails here the market value on him will be VERY low and he will be very difficult to move. It would take a team of unbridled arrogance to trade for him and think they can turn him around if he fails here. The only teams in all of sports I can think of that would consider such a trade is the Raiders and Knicks. And the Knicks won't offer any of their good young fellas...

I can't believe I forgot the Yankees!
 
Knicks would take him. Not a doubt in my mind. Not sure we'd get much back, but if its just dump him time, that may not be that relevant. We have a built in out. Several actually. Heat would likely take him. Lakers probably. Anyplace with tremendous confidence and money.
 
Rain man said:
I am not a fan of trading for him, but the guy did finish 3rd team all-NBA and win defensive player of the year in his last full season 2003-2004. That is closer to superstar than anyone we have right now (with no disrespect at all to Mike Bibby). Feel free to question his sanity, but I don't think it is fair to question his on the court skills.
Despite popular belief, there is a LOT more to being a superstar than talent.

Exibit A: Isiah Rider
Exibit B: Ron Artest.

Fact is Ron will NEVER be the player most are hoping he will be as a King. He is a person with serious mental issues that cannot be treated.

If he is a saviour why exactly are Indiana giving up on him???? The answer is simple, he is NOT all he is made out to be. He is a player that is more capable of single handedly destroying the franchise for years to come than he is of propelling it in a contender.
 
Čarolija said:
Despite popular belief, there is a LOT more to being a superstar than talent.

Exibit A: Isiah Rider
Exibit B: Ron Artest.

Fact is Ron will NEVER be the player most are hoping he will be as a King. He is a person with serious mental issues that cannot be treated.

If he is a saviour why exactly are Indiana giving up on him???? The answer is simple, he is NOT all he is made out to be. He is a player that is more capable of single handedly destroying the franchise for years to come than he is of propelling it in a contender.

He has actually done a bit of both in his career -- he had a large part in making the Pacers a contender, and then a large part in taking that back away.

And asking why the Pacers are giving up on him is kind of silly. That's obvious. Same reason the Spurs gave up on Rodman and sent him on his way to Chicago to win another trio of rings. Whatever he might be able to accomplish, its not in a Pacers uniform.

And far as the mental issue and "facts" about the future. That has yet to be seen. I certainly don't trust him as far as I can throw him, but I'm not going to claim psychiatric knowledge of his future development. ON the court he already is the player many might be hoping to get. The problem is entirely from the neck up, and there may not be any human who claims to know what is going on up there for Ron Ron.
 
on the bright side...

Peja's game has reached such a mediocre level that pissing him off won't even matter at this point. It seems he'll be gone for somebody (anybody) very soon. Too late for the playoff run, but at least the team could get more watchable.

I appreciated his contribution at his very best, but he is an average player right now and a non-useful part.
 
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