Sorry guys, had to do it - ANOTHER trade proposal
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Corliss would be Ok if he quit taking jumpers. He's a bulldog when he goes to the rack. Can't hit any open jumpers most of the time. I don't know if Cuttino will be a good fit for us or not. He has a lot of talent he just has to realize that this is Mike's team not his. We need a shot blocker! We need a Bowen type defender too. If we had a big man blocking shots and a guy that could guard 2's and 3's our D would be good enough to win it all. This is a lot easier said than done though. That's why I leave it up to Geoff to figure out who to get.
gotpitbull said:
If you're going to make a trade, go for broke 
Cleveland Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
LeBron James 6-8 SF from St. Vincent - St. Mary HS 27.2 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 7.1 apg in 42.3 minutes
Incoming
Brian Skinner 6-9 PF from Baylor 4.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 19.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: -22.4 ppg, -1.5 rpg, and -6.2 apg.
Successful Scenario
Cleveland Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
LeBron James 6-8 SF from St. Vincent - St. Mary HS 27.2 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 7.1 apg in 42.3 minutes
Incoming
Brian Skinner 6-9 PF from Baylor 4.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 19.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: -22.4 ppg, -1.5 rpg, and -6.2 apg.
Successful Scenario
Kings are going to have to address the big man situation through trade or free agency. Tag and Corliss, and possibly Kenny unless Songaila or Peja aren't back, are trade bait.
Free agency targets:
Swift (will be a tough sell with the MLE).
Chandler (ditto)
Gadzuric (could be had I think; Miller, Gadzuric, Songaila/Kenny, Skinner would be a solid big man rotation
Free agency targets:
Swift (will be a tough sell with the MLE).
Chandler (ditto)
Gadzuric (could be had I think; Miller, Gadzuric, Songaila/Kenny, Skinner would be a solid big man rotation
The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that Peja will be packaged with Corliss. Petrie said after the Webber trade that it would be easier to move 2 BIG contracts than 1 HUGE contract. Peja is our only real trade bait. . .Bobby has never finished a season, ditto for Miller. Bibby is our only untouchable.
Mobley will be let go. OGs are a dime a dozen in this league, and there's nothing truly outstanding about him. I mean, if we want to be undersized at both guard spots, why not just start Bobby? It's a lot easier on the cap. I think after this summer we will be a lot younger, and relatively close to some cap space.
Mobley will be let go. OGs are a dime a dozen in this league, and there's nothing truly outstanding about him. I mean, if we want to be undersized at both guard spots, why not just start Bobby? It's a lot easier on the cap. I think after this summer we will be a lot younger, and relatively close to some cap space.
If Cat goes for nothing I would not understand that one. His salary coming off the cap does nothing for the Kings. They are so far over the cap the only way they can sign anyone outright is by dipping into their exceptions. If they do that they will not find anyone as skilled as Cat in that price range.
I fwe hav learned anything this season, it is that there are NO untouchables on our team. Personally, I hope we keep Bibby, Peja, Miller, and Bobby. I think the consistency is important after all the upheaval this season. I know that Miller and BJax have missed a lot, but they are still VERY important pieces to our team. That being said, I'll trust anything Petrie does until something major doesn't work.
Taking off his current salary doesn't help much, but adding the salary he will be demanding hurts. I just don't think he's worth it. If this team was still on the brink of a championship then you would keep him. But we are going to go through a 2-3 year reloading phase, much like the Suns just did. There is no compelling reason to keep Cat on the roster, at the 2 spot, which is the easiest spot to fill in the NBA.
This is the business -- you make moves until you find a group than can get it done. This one currently can't, so moves have to be made. Now what they are exactly I'm sure none of us really know.
As an aside, I doubt that Petrie or the Maloofs see this as a 2 or 3 year rebuilding project. It may in fact be, but I doubt they'd admit that and I'm pretty sure they are going to make moves with the idea of putting a legitimate contender on the floor again next year. If they decided to tear it all down, trade all our pieces for a variety of young talent, and let them gel over the next couple of seasons I could see that, and might even support it if we had some real studs to watch develop. But just don't see it.
As an aside, I doubt that Petrie or the Maloofs see this as a 2 or 3 year rebuilding project. It may in fact be, but I doubt they'd admit that and I'm pretty sure they are going to make moves with the idea of putting a legitimate contender on the floor again next year. If they decided to tear it all down, trade all our pieces for a variety of young talent, and let them gel over the next couple of seasons I could see that, and might even support it if we had some real studs to watch develop. But just don't see it.
Not rebuilding, reloading. I don't think we're going to fall out of the playoffs, this team is in nowhere near the disarray of the T-Wolves or Lakers. But I do think that the Kings retool the talent on this team, and get some guys who are a little more dedicated to winning, which means getting better every summer.
Well, the point would be that we're not going to just turn the SG position over to a kid or leave it vacant. Its hard to tell how far off we are, but we've certainly got enough players and pieces stacked up to put together a serious team next year, assuming of course that Geoff can see the issues we have.
In some ways I'm not sure if we have any players other than Bibby who are really championship type guys -- fiery clutch competitors with talent. So I could see keeping Mike and trying to do the Phoenix with the rest of the roster. But it seems more likely we'll keep our core shooters and try to fill in aorund them with guys who do the work they can't or won't. As an aside -- I have real doubts whether that approach wins a title, and there may be a reason Geoff never has. But it seems the most likely.
In some ways I'm not sure if we have any players other than Bibby who are really championship type guys -- fiery clutch competitors with talent. So I could see keeping Mike and trying to do the Phoenix with the rest of the roster. But it seems more likely we'll keep our core shooters and try to fill in aorund them with guys who do the work they can't or won't. As an aside -- I have real doubts whether that approach wins a title, and there may be a reason Geoff never has. But it seems the most likely.
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Positives: Hedo's a swing man; he can play the 2 or the 3. He's deceptively quick for a guy his size. Kings seem to run better when we have a tallish 2 guard, like Doug. He can obviously shoot the ball well. Seems pretty durable.
Problems: He suffers from the same chronic aversion to rebounding that so many other kings players suffer with. San Antonio seemed tickled to get him until they discovered the "secret rebounding shame" he carried from Sactown. From what I've seen, he looks like one of the nicest people you could ever meet. However, Kings ball does not tolerate players with low bball IQ or poor court vision. I think Hedo may fall into this category. Then again, I have not seen him play much in the last year. He could have really grown.
Problems: He suffers from the same chronic aversion to rebounding that so many other kings players suffer with. San Antonio seemed tickled to get him until they discovered the "secret rebounding shame" he carried from Sactown. From what I've seen, he looks like one of the nicest people you could ever meet. However, Kings ball does not tolerate players with low bball IQ or poor court vision. I think Hedo may fall into this category. Then again, I have not seen him play much in the last year. He could have really grown.