So, Who's Disappointed and Might Need a Vet

[DaMan]

Living down here in Orlando i really doubt that Darko will get traded, every body is high on the Darko and Dwight front court and so am i. If Darko and Dwight just get more touches these guys would be great together. The only why in hell i see the magic trading Darko is if some other team makes a huge offer and the magic could get a great wing man to play beside Dwight but in my opinion the chances of that is slim.

The magic are a few pieces away from where the Bulls are, all they need is a good wing player and a decent pg. Their front court is pretty much set with Dwight, Darko, and Battie and may need another big for insurence. I see the Magic resigning Darko, going after Lewis or Carter, and going after or trading for a pass first PG such as Luck Ridour. The Jamear Nelson thing is very much in the air right now.

At the end of the day i really don't think a trade with Orlando is really possible, the only thing that the Magic may be interseted in is Martin but the kings won't do that.

 

[ParniValjak]

Living down here in Orlando i really doubt that Darko will get traded, every body is high on the Darko and Dwight front court and so am i. If Darko and Dwight just get more touches these guys would be great together. The only why in hell i see the magic trading Darko is if some other team makes a huge offer and the magic could get a great wing man to play beside Dwight but in my opinion the chances of that is slim.

The magic are a few pieces away from where the Bulls are, all they need is a good wing player and a decent pg. Their front court is pretty much set with Dwight, Darko, and Battie and may need another big for insurence. I see the Magic resigning Darko, going after Lewis or Carter, and going after or trading for a past first PG such as Luck Ridour. The Jamear Nelson thing is very much in the air right now.

At the end of the day i really don't think a trade with Orlando is really possible, the only thing that the Magic may be interseted in is Martin but the kings won't do that.

I think they could be interested in Bibby but you are right thought.

I very much doubt that Orlando would let Darko walk easily. They have a good thing going with Darko and Dwight and as you say, if they get more touches they will get better. The great thing about that combo is that both are athletic, good defenders, genuine shot blockers and their games complement each other.

On Nelson, they seriously need an upgrade at PG. To me Nelson is that perfect combo guard to come of the bench and give you a scoring punch. If they can get that wing and a good PG that can run the team then they will be much better team.

I think Carter would be good for them but I am not confident he is someone that can lead them all the way.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Hmm, maybe if they hire Adelman we could convince them that the Bibby/Nelson combo would rekindle the Bibby/Bobby magic of yore, and get Darko for it.

 

[Smills91]

Hmm, maybe if they hire Adelman we could convince them that the Bibby/Nelson combo would rekindle the Bibby/Bobby magic of yore, and get Darko for it.

They'd want Darko as their version of Vlade though! ;-)

 

[Bricklayer]

Hmm, maybe if they hire Adelman we could convince them that the Bibby/Nelson combo would rekindle the Bibby/Bobby magic of yore, and get Darko for it.

Yeah, unfortunately if Rick were to go to Orlando, I think Darko would be one of the guys most likely to benefit in a big way, so think he stays in that scenario.

Interesting though that they are far under the cap this offseason, so theoretically they could make a play for Bibby centered around their pick without having to match salaries. Of course think that would only make sense if they didn't see much of interest on the FA market, and for my money a Nelson/Carter backcourt would make more sense than a Bibby/Nelson tandem at PG, with Nelson likely unhappy over the demotion. In any case, if they did try that, it could theoretically lead to them absorbing Bibby's contract and US becoming players on the free agent market for having traded away all that salary.

 

[nbrans]

The Darko/Bibby thing has so many permutations it makes my head hurt. Because Darko puts a cap hold on Orlando until they get it resolved, they have to figure out what they're doing with him before they go into free agency. They can't go after Carter or Rashard Lewis until they figure out what they're doing with Darko. So they either have to re-sign Darko to a cheap deal or, more likely in my opinion, Darko's agent will stall to put more pressure on Orlando to give him more money since they have to get it resolved before they can be free agent players. However much money they give Darko, though, cuts into their ability to go after Carter.

I think there's going to be some pressure on Orlando to go the S&T route -- that way Darko's market value is established on the open market, which would appease Darko and his agent, and Orlando gets something in return. I think Bibby has to be among the targets for Orlando.

But a Bibby for Darko S&T is also complicated because then the haggling starts over how much Darko is getting paid and also whether someone like Arroyo will be coming along for the ride. If Orlando's open to a Bibby/Darko S&T, my guess is it probably would be Darko at $7 or $8 million and Arroyo's expiring, which wouldn't give the Kings cap room.

Still though, a Bibby S&T would probably only happen if Orlando didn't feel they could get Carter, because they'd need all of their cap space to get him.

 

[LPKingsFan]

There's also interesting things you can do with a Darko deal, much like the Bulls have done with the Wallace signing and Hinrich extension, in terms of front-loading. Say, you give him a 4-year deal with $10 million the first, then down to 9, 8, etc. Gives Darko more money upfront, gives the Kings some breathing room down the road when Martin's extension kicks in, and may scare Orlando away.

 

[AleksandarN]

You know the only way I can see us getting Darko is doing what we did with miller and that is way overpay what the Magic are wlling to offer. Say we offfer 5 year 65 mill deal would the magic match? I know we can not sign him outright but we could tell his agent that we are willing to offer Darko that in a sign and trade and then let the chip fall as they may.

 

[Superman]

You know the only way I can see us getting Darko is doing what we did with miller and that is way overpay what the Magic are wlling to offer. Say we offfer 5 year 65 mill deal would the magic match? I know we can not sign him outright but we could tell his agent that we are willing to offer Darko that in a sign and trade and then let the chip fall as they may.

Why would we give Darko $65 million?

 

[AleksandarN]

Why would we give Darko $65 million?

Exactly; that is why I do not think we can get him without over paying. That is the same thing that happen when we got miller in a sign and trade and look how that turned out.

 

[Bricklayer]

It tunned out ok for a while, and Brad was coming off an All-Star (well, titanically asterisked becaue of general patheticness of centers that year) season. Darko however...nobody is going to drop that contract on him after a semi-disappointing year. Think a lot of people would like to have him just in case, but he's far too unproven to land a franchise breaker on him.

 

[DaMan]

I think they could be interested in Bibby but you are right thought.

I very much doubt that Orlando would let Darko walk easily. They have a good thing going with Darko and Dwight and as you say, if they get more touches they will get better. The great thing about that combo is that both are athletic, good defenders, genuine shot blockers and their games complement each other.

On Nelson, they seriously need an upgrade at PG. To me Nelson is that perfect combo guard to come of the bench and give you a scoring punch. If they can get that wing and a good PG that can run the team then they will be much better team.

I think Carter would be good for them but I am not confident he is someone that can lead them all the way.

You have pretty much summed everybodies thoughts in orlando. But the one thing about bibby is that he is just a bigger vision of Nelson. They both can't play defense, they both are shoot first past second point guards, and they both rather have the ball then give it to the star. So getting a point guard like Mike down here would not improve the magic. Like you said the magic would rather have a pass first PG with Nelson coming off the bench.

And everybody down here is high on Carter but I am not. The guy is too old when dwight enters his prime he will be retiring. And the guy likes to shot the ball way to much and that will have to change in a place where he should be the 3rd opinion behind Dwight and Darko. The magic will be better off sigining Lewis because he is younger, cheaper and is used to palying second fidlie. With a core built around Darko, Dwight, Lewis, Ariza and Decent pg Orlando will be looking great in the future.

The magic did infact try to resign darko last season from what i have heard from a knowlegable realgm poster but the deal fall apart because the magic wanted to see Darko more. But take this as second hand information but the deal was said to be 45 million for 5 years back loaded. The poster said it was form some article and another person confirmed it but i have yet seen such a story. To me this is a decent contract if with a player opition but after Darko's great play in the playoffs he and his agent maybe seeking more.

And i pretty much agree with AleksandarN if a team really wants Darko they will have to overpay and hope he pans out because i don't see Orlando letting him go unless their is offer they can not match (therefore making a sign and trade possible.)

 

[ParniValjak]

You have pretty much summed everybodies thoughts in orlando. But the one thing about bibby is that he is just a bigger vision of Nelson. They both can't play defense, they both are shoot first past second point guards, and they both rather have the ball then give it to the star. So getting a point guard like Mike down here would not improve the magic. Like you said the magic would rather have a pass first PG with Nelson coming off the bench.

And everybody down here is high on Carter but I am not. The guy is too old when dwight enters his prime he will be retiring. And the guy likes to shot the ball way to much and that will have to change in a place where he should be the 3rd opinion behind Dwight and Darko. The magic will be better off sigining Lewis because he is younger, cheaper and is used to palying second fidlie. With a core built around Darko, Dwight, Lewis, Ariza and Decent pg Orlando will be looking great in the future.

The magic did infact try to resign darko last season from what i have heard from a knowlegable realgm poster but the deal fall apart because the magic wanted to see Darko more. But take this as second hand information but the deal was said to be 45 million for 5 years back loaded. The poster said it was form some article and another person confirmed it but i have yet seen such a story. To me this is a decent contract if with a player opition but after Darko's great play in the playoffs he and his agent maybe seeking more.

And i pretty much agree with AleksandarN if a team really wants Darko they will have to overpay and hope he pans out because i don't see Orlando letting him go unless their is offer they can not match (therefore making a sign and trade possible.)

I think we disagree on the Bibby-Nelson comparison. Its true that Mike is a shoot first PG and he likes to have his shots BUT he also is a LOT better play maker than Nelson. Nelson just has no PG ability. He is a gunning SG trapped in a small body. Bibby can run a team. Sure he is not a pass first PG or not a great play maker like Miller, but he is much better than Nelson.

I could see Bibby really working out in Orlando. He would give them another perimeter threat to go with Hedo. If they end up signing Lewis, then I would expect Hedo to be shopped around for a PG.

 

[AleksandarN]

It tunned out ok for a while, and Brad was coming off an All-Star (well, titanically asterisked becaue of general patheticness of centers that year) season. Darko however...nobody is going to drop that contract on him after a semi-disappointing year. Think a lot of people would like to have him just in case, but he's far too unproven to land a franchise breaker on him.

i know that why I think the Magic will match anyother offer unless someone offers stupid money at him, which I do not think asnyone will.