So was the 8th seed "worthless" and "pointless" to go after?

[Miles and Miles]

I don't know how many times I heard people in here post that the Kings should tank the season because going after the 8th seed was pointless or worthless because they were sure to get "blown out" by the Mavericks. Well the 8th seed didn't get blown out. I tried to tell people that it's the playoffs and things happen. Oh well guess we should be happy with our wonderful 10th draft pick. Good think we didn't make the playoffs there might be a reason to watch.

 

[GoGoGadget]

Um... this is a joke, right?

 

[gunks]

We aint the Warriors buddy.

 

[Warhawk]

I don't know how many times I heard people in here post that the Kings should tank the season because going after the 8th seed was pointless or worthless because they were sure to get "blown out" by the Mavericks. Well the 8th seed didn't get blown out. I tried to tell people that it's the playoffs and things happen. Oh well guess we should be happy with our wonderful 10th draft pick. Good think we didn't make the playoffs there might be a reason to watch.

The Warriors were the ONLY team that could give Dallas a run as the 8th seed because of the particular matchup problem they presented.

We would have lost in 4-5 games.

Get over it.

 

[Jerryaki]

I tried to tell people that it's the playoffs and things happen.

unfortunately, we are the kings. only **** happens.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yes, the 8th seed was pointless to go after, FOR US.

Actually it would have been pointless to go after for the Warriors too, except they are the one type of team for whom its important -- the team who has been out of the playoffs and is on the rise. The #8 was important to us too back in '99. And of course the Warriors got the nearly unique matchup opportunity against a psyched out opponent.

This is a maturation test for Kings fans, particularly younger/newer ones who have never seen the NBA life cycle at work before. Like the first time your dog dies, this is all necessary and inevitable, and every team in the playoffs has been where we are now scooping up Jason Richardsons and Deron Williamss and Amares and Duncans. The #10 is a lovely sight in our situation, and only thing wrong with it is that its too high -- we needed to have a worse debacle if at all possible and have now increased the risk our stay in the lottery will be a lengthy one rather than a bounce. That Clippers game sucked. The Suns game sucked.

Pets pass. Teams fall into the lottery. That's life. Accept it, embrace it, and use it.

 

[kupman]

I don't know how many times I heard people in here post that the Kings should tank the season because going after the 8th seed was pointless or worthless because they were sure to get "blown out" by the Mavericks. Well the 8th seed didn't get blown out. I tried to tell people that it's the playoffs and things happen. Oh well guess we should be happy with our wonderful 10th draft pick. Good think we didn't make the playoffs there might be a reason to watch.

I am sure you know that you will be getting abused on this board for writing something like this. However, I will say that I am right there with you and we have agreed on this issue before. We may be the minority, but we see things the same way: lay it all out, every game, from ball boys to GM to try and win every game possible.

I am not going to write much more about it because it has all been said once or twice before. I will just say that it is nice to have your opinion around here.

 

[Superman]

I am sure you know that you will be getting abused on this board for writing something like this. However, I will say that I am right there with you and we have agreed on this issue before. We may be the minority, but we see things the same way: lay it all out, every game, from ball boys to GM to try and win every game possible.

I am not going to write much more about it because it has all been said once or twice before. I will just say that it is nice to have your opinion around here.

I've said before that I don't like seeing my team lose, regardless of the situation.

However, the 2006-07 Kings, had they been the 8th seed, would NOT have even been competitive with the Mavericks, much less beat them. We are not the the Warriors, and we weren't good enough to make the playoffs whether we tanked games or not. Getting the #10 pick in the Draft will only make us better, as opposed to getting #15 or #16.

 

[JB_kings]

It didn't matter what we as fans wanted. The players didn't tank and did try to get into the playoffs. They don't give a rip about the lottery. If they were tanking don't you think we would be talking about the 5th or 6th draft spot instead of 10th?

But here's the real problem - the Kings weren't good enough to be a playoff team.

 

[kupman]

However, the 2006-07 Kings, had they been the 8th seed, would NOT have even been competitive with the Mavericks, much less beat them.

..and this just illustrates the difference of opinion that Miles and I have with most of the rest. I am not willing to just say 'Mavs are gonna kill us - don't want to be a part of that.' I am of the perspective - "nobody likes our chances, but I give give a rat's a** what people think. We're gonna show up and play anyway."

 

[VF21]

I am sure you know that you will be getting abused on this board for writing something like this. However, I will say that I am right there with you and we have agreed on this issue before. We may be the minority, but we see things the same way: lay it all out, every game, from ball boys to GM to try and win every game possible.

I am not going to write much more about it because it has all been said once or twice before. I will just say that it is nice to have your opinion around here.

It's not about someone being "abused" for their opinion. I know you may find this difficult to believe, but it's possible to have opposing views WITHOUT turning it into something personal.

ALL opinions are welcomed here. That's what message boards are for. I do not understand, however, why the OP had to start the thread in a sarcastic tone. That starts the cycle; not discussion or disagreement.

People can, to paraphrase Barack Obama, disagree about something without being sarcastic or disagreeable. Like foments like.

Peace.

 

[VF21]

I don't know how many times I heard people in here post that the Kings should tank the season because going after the 8th seed was pointless or worthless because they were sure to get "blown out" by the Mavericks. Well the 8th seed didn't get blown out. I tried to tell people that it's the playoffs and things happen. Oh well guess we should be happy with our wonderful 10th draft pick. Good think we didn't make the playoffs there might be a reason to watch.

While some people posted that the Kings should "tank," others were just as vocal about not wanting to see it done. It didn't determine the course of action of the Kings anyway, so I fail to understand what this thread is all about.

Yes things do happen in the playoffs. But what happened between Golden State and Dallas is not necessarily what would have happened between the Kings and Dallas.

As far as watching the playoffs go, I think a great number of people on this forum are basketball fans and are watching regardless of whether or not the Kings are playing. We're just a little more detached than we would otherwise be.

 

[Sirius]

We were not good enough to pose any kind of threat. I mean, we weren't even tanking the last couple of months. We were losing games legitimately.
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[fnordius]

Implicit in the question is the suggestion that we tanked, but we didn't, we just totally sucked.

Had we been trying to tank, we would surely have lost the 1-2 additional games necessary to get good draft position. Since we didn't, I have to assume that we were trying to win games, but were incapable of doing so.

Making the playoffs is a moot point, because we stunk too badly to do that, let alone to eliminate Dallas, or anyone else.

 

[kupman]

It's not about someone being "abused" for their opinion. I know you may find this difficult to believe, but it's possible to have opposing views WITHOUT turning it into something personal.

Well, "abused" was certainly an exagerration on my part. However, it does seem that Miles and other minority opinions are often at the bottom of the dog pile.

But it is all cool with me.......it's just cyberspace banter.

 

[VF21]

Implicit in the question is the suggestion that we tanked, but we didn't, we just totally sucked.

And that pretty much sums up the 2006-2007 season.

 

[doone]

Warriors still aren't going to win the championship, despite their impressive victory over the Mavericks. If you don't win the championship, your season is a failure IMHO.

 

[mdme]

if we got the 8th seed, I'm sure about the ff...

1) we would be fishin' right now
2) we won't have a 10th pick or a miniscule chance to land a top 3 pick.
3) dallas would be on a roll
4) dirk would be happy

 

[DaMan]

This has got to be a joke.

 

[Larry89]

The Dallas Mavericks would had blown us off the face of the earth

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

The Dallas Mavericks would had blown us off the face of the earth

Yup. It worked out great for GS that they got the 8th and were able to open with Dallas, a team they OWNED in the regular season...was a great first round matchup...kind of like when we played Utah back in 98'...even though we lost in 5, we softened the Jazz up. San Antonio last year, as well.(even though we lost in 6, of course) We would have been swept in 4 games probably had we got that 8th spot and had to play Dallas.

 

[Superman]

..and this just illustrates the difference of opinion that Miles and I have with most of the rest. I am not willing to just say 'Mavs are gonna kill us - don't want to be a part of that.' I am of the perspective - "nobody likes our chances, but I give give a rat's a** what people think. We're gonna show up and play anyway."

I'm not saying that I wouldn't want to make the playoffs, even if it means we get swept out of the first round. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened...

I'm saying that, in the big picture, I'd rather have a chance at a top pick this year. I wish we had gotten in, but it doesn't really matter. Why handicap our chances at getting better sooner?

 

[Evenstar]

we would have gotten absolutly pasted by the mavs. a sweep, easy money.

the warriors got so lucky, that was a dream matchup for them. i'm glad they pulled it off. we would not have been successful

 

[Miles and Miles]

Funny people (including the moderator) mentioned that having the opinion of wanting to the Kings to make the playoffs wouldn't get you bashed in here. Yeah right. Everyone was all over the few of us that wanted the Kings to make the playoffs late in the season. So much so that I am sure there are some out there that refuse to post in here because it got nasty. Everytime we posted something about "Go Kings" or "great win" or anything like that many of you were saying "why would you want the Kings to win" or "wanting wins is stupid at this point". For those that keep saying we could have gotten trashed by Dallas you just don't know, that's why we play the games. Yes Golden State played an excellent scheme against Dallas. Yes Avery got out coached by Don Nelson (who should be our current coach). But I do think that Dallas did their own bit of sucking in the first round. Now I know there are going to be people that now post that say "oh know I had Golden State all the way on this one" yeah sure you did. The casinos were still picking Dallas like 8 to 1 I think and they do this for a living. So you should have made some money then.

 

[sactownfan]

GS is a YOUNG, FAST, ATHLETIC,SCRAPY TEAM THAT ACTUALY WANTS TO WIN.NOT TO MENTION HAS A PROVEN WINNING COACH. The Kings as they are now have none of those. We are old, slow, injured, having career lows all around and never really did have a coach this year..... just in case anyone out there want to argue the "wants to win part". i seriously question our teams motivation. IM SORRY MILES but there is NO i mean NO way we could have beat Dallas... they crushed us during the reg season. CRUSHED!.... not quite the same as GS beating the Mavs all 4. having the 20th pick again would do nothing for our future at least wit the 10th pick it gives a shot at someone falling and a decent big

 

[sactownfan]

i also want to throw out that most of the league would have crushed us in the playoffs that how bad we were this year.

 

[Kingster]

A More Worthy Goal....

....would have been to get the 6th pick in the draft. One more loss and it was ours. Instead, our team management acted like young gal who rejects birth control because then she could convince herself that she wasn't consciously pursuing "it".

 

[GoGoGadget]

....would have been to get the 6th pick in the draft. One more loss and it was ours. Instead, our team management acted like young gal who rejects birth control because then she could convince herself that she wasn't consciously pursuing "it".

That is easily the most convoluted analogy I've come across in a long time.

 

[Superman]

That is easily the most convoluted analogy I've come across in a long time.

... to say the least.

 

[VF21]

Funny people (including the moderator) mentioned that having the opinion of wanting to the Kings to make the playoffs wouldn't get you bashed in here. Yeah right. Everyone was all over the few of us that wanted the Kings to make the playoffs late in the season. So much so that I am sure there are some out there that refuse to post in here because it got nasty. Everytime we posted something about "Go Kings" or "great win" or anything like that many of you were saying "why would you want the Kings to win" or "wanting wins is stupid at this point".

There's a big difference between spirited debate and bashing. Looking back at those threads, I saw a lot of spirited discussion, sometimes getting heated because people are passionate but I certainly saw a lot worse on other message boards.

For those that keep saying we could have gotten trashed by Dallas you just don't know, that's why we play the games. Yes Golden State played an excellent scheme against Dallas. Yes Avery got out coached by Don Nelson (who should be our current coach). But I do think that Dallas did their own bit of sucking in the first round. Now I know there are going to be people that now post that say "oh know I had Golden State all the way on this one" yeah sure you did. The casinos were still picking Dallas like 8 to 1 I think and they do this for a living. So you should have made some money then.

As far as your comment about people claiming they were supporting Golden State all along, who cares? This isn't a Warriors board. It's a Kings board, last time I looked.

People seem to mistake discussion on a message board for real life. We do NOT dictate how the team will perform. We don't make the coaching decisions or anything else. We just argue - respectfully, most of the time - what we think or strongly believe should or should not have been done.

Hindsight is always 20-20. You're trying to prove that Golden State's victory in round 1 against the Mavericks is an indication that had the Kings made the #8 slot they might have done the same. Well, we'll never know for sure but you won't find very many people who would have bought into that.

If you thought you were being bashed, all you had to do was use the "refer a post" to have another moderator review the post. If you're complaining because one or more moderators took strong positions, then you're out of luck. Of course we take strong positions. We're not just moderators. We're also pretty rabid basketball and Kings fans.

I guess what I'm saying is we try very hard to keep this board friendly, civil and respectful. If things get out of hand occasionally, it's because we're talking about something that brings out a lot of passion in people - love of sports.