Shawn Marion demands trade
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DocHolliday
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Marion is Kenny thomas with a better attitude, and even more athleticism. He still has a crappy awkward jumper. Would I do it? Probably, but I don't think the SUns would take Thomas.
How many years does Marion have left on his deal?
if we're gonna have a veteran forward on the team I'd rather keep Artest. As many of the others feel Artest is already going to reduce the playing time of Cisco and the other youngun's. Frankly I prefer having Artest to Marion since we're rebuilding. IMO Marion belongs on a contending team that requires his versatility. As for the trade suggestions, Phoenix has no reason whatsoever to take Salmons and Thomas for Marion just to get Artest, or Miller for that matter
Jespher
Starter
Marion is a fetter fit for us than Artest because he is a starting level PF and the most athletic player in the NBA. He is a freakish rebounder for his size, and can impose his defensive will on much larger players. He is a tremendous finisher, and would fit in nicely with Kevin Martin and Francisco Garcia. We would need to find an elite point guard soon though if we were to get Shawn, because he has a very hard time finding his own shot and has only had real success (winning seasons) with a pass first PG (Jason Kidd, Steve Nash) and I'm not sure Bibby is elite enough here...
If we could also pry away Leandro Barbosa to go along with Marion (Say for Artest, Miller, and Shareef/Salmons choice) I say we go for it. This would give us a much more explosive lineup, and push us into at least a perennial playoff contender status again.
Kings Lineup: (Keeping Salmons/Shipping Shareef)
PG: Mike Bibby/Leandro Barbosa/Quincy Douby/Mustafa Shakur?
SG: Kevin Martin/Quincy Douby/Leandro Barbosa
SF: Francisco Garcia/John Salmons/Shawn Marion
PF: Shawn Marion/Justin Williams/Kenny Thomas
C: Mikki Moore/Spencer Hawes/Justin Williams
All in all, it looks like a straight swap of Marion and Kirilenko is in the works here, as both demanded trades, and have rumored to be linked salary wise...
If we could also pry away Leandro Barbosa to go along with Marion (Say for Artest, Miller, and Shareef/Salmons choice) I say we go for it. This would give us a much more explosive lineup, and push us into at least a perennial playoff contender status again.
Kings Lineup: (Keeping Salmons/Shipping Shareef)
PG: Mike Bibby/Leandro Barbosa/Quincy Douby/Mustafa Shakur?
SG: Kevin Martin/Quincy Douby/Leandro Barbosa
SF: Francisco Garcia/John Salmons/Shawn Marion
PF: Shawn Marion/Justin Williams/Kenny Thomas
C: Mikki Moore/Spencer Hawes/Justin Williams
All in all, it looks like a straight swap of Marion and Kirilenko is in the works here, as both demanded trades, and have rumored to be linked salary wise...
I think the prospect of us getting Marion is nothing more than a pipe dream for a number of reasons - players like Marion who demand a trade don't usually get traded to crappy teams like ours, for one, for two, we don't really have the assets to acquire him (no way in h*** they accept our garbage for a legit all-star), thirdly, I don't think he's the right player for a rebuilding team. In my opinion, he's no better than a # 2 or #3 option (yet he's being paid like a #1).
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Those are not entirely bad ideas.
Rumors are that AK47 and Odom have both been discussed, but you could make arguments for an Artest type too. And including Salmons, who Phoenix was hot for, and Thomas, who fits their style and would replace some of the rebounding is...well, like I say, not an entirely unreasonable proposal.
Marion has a player option at the end of this year, and if he picks it up next year is the last. So entirely apart from play on the court if you could shed longer term contracts in acquiring him he could help us unbury ourselves from the financial mess we're in.
However, numerous problems:
1) Suns ownership is notoriously picky about character issues. Ron Artest...
2) Suns ownership is incredibly cheap and has been selling picks and players off like it was 1950. Convincing them to take on longer term contracts in return might not be easy
3) With both Diaw and Hill there, what the Suns are really going to need is a PF combo type, or at least somebody who can pretend to be. Hence the Ak47 and Odom rumors, making more sense than Ron
4) And tied into the above, the Suns have been incredibly reliant on Marion's rebounding and shotblocking. Again why Ak47 or Odom is likely more what they would be looking for.
5) as somebody mentoned above, its rare to see guys go to a lottery team. Marion is looking like a loser for wanting out of a title contender, but I still doubt he wants to come to a team that won 33 last year. He apparently nixed, or at least objected to, being included in a deal involving Boston, Minny and KG. We're above that level, but not much.
6) While I don't think Marion is really that level of player, the whole trade in your division thing maybe. Although if they are talking Odom they obviously aren't THAT concerned.
7) one of the advanatages would be using Marion's 1yr + 1option year contract to shed some of our long term crappers. But part of Marion's "disrespect" angle is that the meanies won't agree to extend him at $20mil per. If he came to a new team, he would likely be looking for immediate extension talks there as well. And if you do, then you've lost, and more, any financial advantage. Of course would be gaining a heck of the player in the trade off of course.
Jerryaki
Starter
i thinking that everyone here would jump on that. but that's a monumental IF, on the level of the suns laughing till they cry if we approached them with it.
Your right...he's KT but with a higher shooting %, can run better, is an all-star, a great defender......just like KT.
Geoff
Starter
If I was in a fantasy league and owned Barbosa and Marion, i'd reject that trade after I picked myself off the floor from my laughing fit. What you think would happen in real life if that offer was made?
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Phoenix doesnt want our junk, so lets get over this right now. Marion is still in his prime, and is what I consider to be a marquee team player. The only thing we have that is worth anything right now is Mike Bibby, and oh yeah...they already have that Nash guy at the point...so...cross the Kings out of the teams in contention to get the Matrix.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Marion is worth far more than anything that we'd be offering.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Only because of the $$ figure. In all other ways he's the far more stable/valuable commodity and can be swapped out down the line for a nifty return package. But the big money gives pause on that front.
Wuster
Starter
Nice analysis. Question... as I recall, Nash got a pretty fat contract when he went to the Suns from Dallas (?)
DocHolliday
Starter
Well you can argue at 6' 7" that he's not, but he is, same as Kenny Thomas.
And DocHolliday wins the "Sardonic Statement of the Day" award.
Fear the Putin
Starter
Marions production was exactly the same pre-Nash. Only thing that was better was his fg% by a couple percentages, but even his 3% was better without Nash.
Edit: Just saw your "Edit"
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Man, some of you guys really undersell and underappreciate some of the players we do have! I am sorry but I wouldn't trade Artest straight up for Marion to be honest with many factors going into it. One of which is that Marion isn't even close to being worth 20 million a year!!!
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
Well you have hit on the big problem with Marion. He is a role palyer being paid like franchise guy. No team is going anyhwere with Marion as their number one option, but as a number two option he rocks. Not a luxury the Kings can afford and trading for him will do nothing for the team. Now if his inflated contract ended in 08 that would be a different story.
Marion is a much better player than Artest at this point and you wouldn't have to deal with the crazy issues. Straight up, with no money considerations, I'd trade in a heartbeat.
yeah, 20 million per year is way too much for a non-franchise player, I'll agree with you there. But with Rashard Lewis almost getting that much, how much is Marion worth?
Jespher
Starter
Ok OK OK
How about Bibby and Artest for Barbosa and Marion. This saves the suns 1 million this year, gives them expirings after that, and maintains the talent level that they otherwise would be shiping out if Marion gets traded elsewhere. The Suns might do this because they could play Nash and Bibby together in the backcourt (like a super Bobby + Bibby) and Artest would bring the defense that Grant Hill wouldn't. Losing Barbosa wouldn't hurt as bad if they had Bibby to back up Nash, and losing Marion would be softened by the additions of Hill and Artest. Artest could even play some PF, like Marion did for the suns recently...
This would dramaticaly improve the athleticism of the Kings with a new lineup of:
PG: Leandro Barbosa/John Salmons/Mustafa Shakur/Quincy Douby
SG: Kevin Martin/Leandro Barbosa/Quincy Douby
SF: Shawn Marion/Francisco Garcia/John Salmons
PF: Mikki Moore/Justin Williams/Kenny Thomas/Shareef Abdur-Rahim
C: Brad Miller/Spencer Hawes/Justin Williams/Mikki Moore/Shareef
How about Bibby and Artest for Barbosa and Marion. This saves the suns 1 million this year, gives them expirings after that, and maintains the talent level that they otherwise would be shiping out if Marion gets traded elsewhere. The Suns might do this because they could play Nash and Bibby together in the backcourt (like a super Bobby + Bibby) and Artest would bring the defense that Grant Hill wouldn't. Losing Barbosa wouldn't hurt as bad if they had Bibby to back up Nash, and losing Marion would be softened by the additions of Hill and Artest. Artest could even play some PF, like Marion did for the suns recently...
This would dramaticaly improve the athleticism of the Kings with a new lineup of:
PG: Leandro Barbosa/John Salmons/Mustafa Shakur/Quincy Douby
SG: Kevin Martin/Leandro Barbosa/Quincy Douby
SF: Shawn Marion/Francisco Garcia/John Salmons
PF: Mikki Moore/Justin Williams/Kenny Thomas/Shareef Abdur-Rahim
C: Brad Miller/Spencer Hawes/Justin Williams/Mikki Moore/Shareef
Kenny Thomas tries to play like a power forward, and has always been regarded as one.
Shawn Marion does not try to play like a power forward. The only reason people consider him to be one is that the Suns use a small-ball lineup. Before Nash and D'Antoni, Marion was widely regarded as a small forward, which is his natural position. If he played for any other team, especially one with a real power forward, he would play the three, because that's what he is.
And, beyond that, he's not worth the money he's getting. Good thing he's expiring in two seasons, with a player option next year. I wouldn't mind us giving up Miller and Bibby and Artest and whatever else it takes to get his quickly expiring contract, but I wouldn't depend on him as a player that would make us better. He would help us get better by shedding $17 million in salary, but his presence doesn't help us get to the top.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
Actually, isn't Bibby and Nash sort of redundant? Great shooter-playmaker sort of combination, lousy defense, etc. etc.
And why ruin a good thing? The Suns won't try to trade their core just to essentially stick the status quo. And with Artest's sort of baggage, you think the Suns would even consider him much?
Sorry but with Marion you get to pay him a HUGE contract and you still get his issues. His problems that he's always underrated(he's complained to the media about this), and he's just got a huge overinflated ego. He just demanded a trade from a team that won like 60 games last year and they're easily a contender. Sorry but if you don't think he has issues you're flat out WRONG.
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