Shareef Abdur-Rahim (merged)

[nbrans]

Kings trying to work out S&T w/Portland for Shareef Abdur-Rahim

Here's a juicy nugget from the Newark Star Ledger:

http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/

"According to a Western Conference general manager yesterday, the Nets may have dodged a bullet when Abdur-Rahim told them of his decision, but there still may be some subterfuge in the next few days. The GM said that the Trail Blazers are now trying to work out a sign-and-trade for Abdur-Rahim with Sacramento and a third team that would entice the free agent with a much larger contract, one in the $60 million region.

Goodwin said he had no knowledge of any such negotiation, and a Nets official said he didn't expect that to happen. Verbal commitments have been known to be worthless, however, notably last season with Carlos Boozer and the Cleveland Cavaliers."


Hmmm.... the Shareef Abdur-Rahim drama might not be over yet...

 

[DocHolliday]

I like Abdur-Rahim, but if someone pays him $60 milliion they are on crack.

 

[Bricklayer]

I like Abdur-Rahim, but if someone pays him $60 milliion they are on crack.

That would be us -- crack smokers anonymous.

 

[tyrant]

am i lost, because didn't the nets just sign rahim the other day? how can we work out a sign and trade with portland?

 

[nbrans]

am i lost, because didn't the nets just sign rahim the other day? how can we work out a sign and trade with portland?

Abdur-Rahim has apparently given the Nets a verbal commitment for the MLE, but those aren't worth all that much in the NBA. If this report is to be believed, the Kings and Blazers are trying to work out an 11th hour S&T.

SAR is almost definitely going to New Jersey, but there's a miniscule chance that something interesting could happen.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Well no player is exactly signed until the moratorium is raised. So while there have been verbal agreements, nothing's stopping a player or his agent from "going Boozer." Someone mentioned the other day the possibility that despite reports of all these players being signed, Petrie could be just biding his time, waiting to make a last minute move. Could be closer to the truth than we thought.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

I think that the Kings really want SAR. When Jerry Reynolds was on 1140 the other day and Carmichael Dave reported in the sports update that SAR was going to go to the Nets Reynolds seemed pretty disappointed, which caught me off guard because it was his initial reaction since it was the first time he heard that he was going to the Nets and it made me think that the Kings really want him.

 

[Ryle]

I think that the Kings really want SAR. When Jerry Reynolds was on 1140 the other day and Carmichael Dave reported in the sports update that SAR was going to go to the Nets Reynolds seemed pretty disappointed, which caught me off guard because it was his initial reaction since it was the first time he heard that he was going to the Nets and it made me think that the Kings really want him.

I was listening and he seemed a little taken aback by the announcement.

 

[TXSactoFan]

if someother team takes on the 60 mil , maybe we can unload a lot of our huge contracts as part of this 3-way S&T. Hopefully we dont endup taking another crap contract.

 

[SLAB]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=fanball-netsabdurrahimwillbe&prov=fanball&type=lgns

Nets: Abdur-Rahim will be in Jersey
by Fanball Staff - Fanball.com
Wednesday, July 20, 2005

News
Former Blazers forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim has assured the Nets he will join the roster, be it via their midlevel exception (five years, $27-30 million) or through a sign-and-trade with Portland (six years, $38 million), the New York Post reports.

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Which deal do you think Shareef prefers? Joking aside, the former Hawk was once a third-round fantasy pick before going to Portland's wasteland and having to babysit. He belongs firmly on your sleeper list as he will become the Nets' sole post presence.

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

I dont know SLAB, when there is more money involved all that agreement stuff goes out the window, i just want to see what happens...

 

[thedofd]

I like Abdur-Rahim, but if someone pays him $60 milliion they are on crack.

I don't know about crack, but certainly Vicodin.

Wouldn't surprise me if Geoff was working feverishly on something -- maybe not this deal, but something significant.

Shareef is 29 years old. If you took the contract out six years, that would be an average of $10 million a year, which is about what Ostertag and Corliss make combined, I believe. Looking at it that way, a deal like that might not seem such a bad idea -- in the short term. In the long run, though, the Kings would be in more or less the situation they faced with C-Webb last year: An aging guy making boatloads of cash.

Beyond that, though, I thought I'd read the Blazers were firm in not taking any salary back in a deal for Shareef.

 

[JB_kings]

I don't know about crack, but certainly Vicodin.

In the long run, though, the Kings would be in more or less the situation they faced with C-Webb last year: An aging guy making boatloads of cash.

The difference being that Webber has the knees of a 50 year old man and SAR knees are still young.

 

[PFFFT!!]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=fanball-netsabdurrahimwillbe&prov=fanball&type=lgns

Nets: Abdur-Rahim will be in Jersey
by Fanball Staff - Fanball.com
Wednesday, July 20, 2005

News
Former Blazers forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim has assured the Nets he will join the roster, be it via their midlevel exception (five years, $27-30 million) or through a sign-and-trade with Portland (six years, $38 million), the New York Post reports.

Views
Which deal do you think Shareef prefers? Joking aside, the former Hawk was once a third-round fantasy pick before going to Portland's wasteland and having to babysit. He belongs firmly on your sleeper list as he will become the Nets' sole post presence.

New York Post? Nevermind, Ill just wait it out and see what happens. No news is better news when it comes to these crack addict reporters from that tabloid dressed up in newspaper attire. :\

 

[captain bill]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...rying_to_finish_sign_and_trade_with_portland/

NY Daily News - The Nets are trying complete a sign-and-trade with Portland for Shareef Abdur-Rahim so they can spend their mid-level exception on Miami point guard Keyon Dooling - who will visit the Nets this week - and perhaps a shooter such as Jon Barry or a forward like Malik Allen.

According to several sources, the Nets have offered their $4.9 million trade exception along with a future lottery-protected first-round pick that extends beyond the 2006 draft. The Blazers appear to be fixated on acquiring Nets' second-round pick Mile Ilic, but the Nets have no intention of surrendering the 7-1 center.

"We don't have a deal," Portland GM John Nash said. "The Nets know (what it will take)."

If Nash rejects the offer, the Nets will be forced to try to deal part, if not all, of the trade exception to another team for a free agent like Dooling or risk losing it when it expires near the end of the month.

The Blazers could lose Abdur-Rahim for nothing since the former All-Star has agreed to join the Nets for their mid-level exception - worth roughly $5 million - if a sign-and-trade cannot be executed.

"Shareef wants to play in New Jersey next year," said agent Aaron Goodwin, whose client passed on more lucrative offers from the Bucks and Clippers.

A sign-and-trade gives Abdur-Rahim a six-year deal worth as much as $38 million, as opposed to the five-year, $28 million pact he would have to settle for with the mid-level money.

Nets president Rod Thorn has until July 29 - or later, if the NBA's new collective bargaining agreement isn't completed by this Friday - to use his trade exception.

"We would like to get something done so we can move on in other directions," said Thorn, who is also trying to re-sign free agent Clifford Robinson. "We have had some discussions (with Portland) but we haven't gotten any place."

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These negotiations are going on for a reason. SAR probably expressed that a sign-and-trade is what he wants, and if another team offers a better S&T, he might just take that rather than go to the Nets.

Or the Blazers could be sneaky, sign him for a big contract, telling him he'll be traded to New Jersey, and then get shipped somewhere else. Turning the tables on the players, a reverse of the Boozer fiasco...hmm...

And SAR averaged roughly 20/9/3 prior to coming to Portland. In two years in Portland, he's been 13/6/2. I would bet teams are willing to drop a nice wad of cash on him, hoping that he can return to his former self. I would imagine Adelman could use him well in our system, filling a similar role to Webber. Although the prospects of that happening are bleak.

 

[tetsuo916]

i'd personally have no qualms about giving him a 50mil/6yr deal... i realize it wont be cheap, but if he can stay healthy he might be worth it =P (plus i like this a whole lot more than any Antoine Walker S&T's)

 

[Kings113]

I guarantee SAR's with NJ.

 

[tyrant]

i'd personally have no qualms about giving him a 50mil/6yr deal... i realize it wont be cheap, but if he can stay healthy he might be worth it =P (plus i like this a whole lot more than any Antoine Walker S&T's)

is it just me? does anyone else think we can do better than SAR?

never mind. the guy dropped 27 on us, but who doesn't?

 

[acisking]

^ i think we can...but i highly doubt we will

 

[thedofd]

The difference being that Webber has the knees of a 50 year old man and SAR knees are still young.

Hey, we have the same number of posts! Or, we did until this one.

My point was that, toward the end of a six-year deal -- what he'd have to get to make the kind of $$$ being discussed -- SAR would be 35-36, and generally speaking, that's when the knees go.

If you're saying that you'd rather have SAR than Webber right now, I can't argue with that. SAR seems to have a good head on his shoulders and would probably try to fit in. I think part of the problem with SAR in the past was that he was the best player on a lot of those teams -- sort of like Wayman Tisdale back in the day. If SAR's your 3rd- or 4th-best guy, you're probably a pretty good team.

 

[LPKingsFan]

OK I've been bored and fooling around on realgm. You know what that means...

A three team deal could be worked out similar to 2003's Brad Miller deal. This time it's Portland signing and trading SAR for 6 years, $60 million or whatever, and sending him to Sacramento. The Kings give up, let's say, Corliss and Tag. Tag goes to Portland, since he's expiring and they don't want to take on salary. Corliss goes to a team under the cap, say, like New Orleans (much like Hedo went to Spurs in 03). New Orleans, or whoever, sends a future 2nd round pick, or cash, or something, to Port.

 

[AleksandarN]

OK I've been bored and fooling around on realgm. You know what that means...

A three team deal could be worked out similar to 2003's Brad Miller deal. This time it's Portland signing and trading SAR for 6 years, $60 million or whatever, and sending him to Sacramento. The Kings give up, let's say, Corliss and Tag. Tag goes to Portland, since he's expiring and they don't want to take on salary. Corliss goes to a team under the cap, say, like New Orleans (much like Hedo went to Spurs in 03). New Orleans, or whoever, sends a future 2nd round pick, or cash, or something, to Port.

I hope you are right but I hope it would be Thomas moving instead of Corliss because KT will cause major problems being a back up and not a starter

 

[Bricklayer]

I hope you are right but I hope it would be Thomas moving insteat of Corliss because KT will cause major problems being a back up and not a starter

I think you may be right, but still, KT is a much more valuable piece than Corliss. Will cheerfully trade him for the right deal, but Shareef/KT is much more impressive than Shareef/Corliss. Not sure of their relative trade values just becaue of the big contract.

 

[SacTownKid]

NO!!! not for 60 mil. PLEASE!!!

I wouldn't mind getting SAR but not for that kind of money.

 

[Venom]

Unless Peja is also getting traded somewhere down the road, and SAR slides to the 3, this is the dumbest idea Petrie has ever had, and I am starting to question whether this is something personal between me and him. I think he does it to spite me. The softest people in Sacramento play for our professional basketball team. . .ridiculous. Granite Bay High School would leave these guys bruised and whining to the refs.

 

[English]

I guarantee SAR's with NJ.

ESPN has taken its story about its "source" claiming SAR is going to the Nets off its main page and stashed it in the "more news" section. A sign?

 

[Kings113]

Probably because it's two days old.

SAR's gonna be a Net in one way or another. Walker and SAR are definitely good players, but I'd put other guys ahead of them, especially Walker, because they aren't really what we need at the four.

If we get SAR (which I doubt), then I'd be fine with that, he's a good player. But would need to see how he does with rebounding and hustle, and maybe shot-blocking. Those are the areas I have concerns.

 

[Alacron]

SAR's gonna be a Net in one way or another. Walker and SAR are definitely good players, but I'd put other guys ahead of them, especially Walker, because they aren't really what we need at the four.

Problem is, there aren't any FA fours that are what we need. If the choice is between doing nothing or picking up SAR, I'd go with SAR. Otherwise, a trade is the only thing Petrie can be thinking... but for who? ::coughBrandcough::
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[BibityBobtyBoom]

I wish we could get brand, but has anyone considered this... keep Kenny thomas? he was good when he played with us and only has room for improvement

 

[jay dubb]

I love Kenny but he's gonna get murdered. This is the Western conference not the east. The west has to many great 4's and at 6"7 thats just not going to get the job done and the Kings know that and that's why Petrie wants the team bigger and more athletic. I think he would be great coming off the bench but I just have a feeling that he's going to be traded.