SacKings384
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Suns had no chance at a Championship with their current team. They would get trounced by any team with a center. This is a good move. High risk, but also very high reward.
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RKid
Bench
I didnt mean to sound like a smart ***, sorry if I came across that way. What I meant to say is that the suns needed three things and shaq (in the suns warped view) is the answer to those three things.
In my opinion they needed someone who could actually rebound, and play d. consistently. He has the size but this is not "Laker Shaq" and I believe the suns have the notion that they might be getting something close to "laker shaq".
Even in his prime rebounding and team defense (see 2004 finals) were not the diesels strong points.
So they dont need shaq, but they need the possibility of Shaq.
Did I make sense?
Gargamel
Starter
Might not have happened if the Lakers hadn't gotten Gasol. That wasn't nice, was it?
I think the trade helps them against LA in the sense that Bynum really hasn't had much experience against Shaq to speak of. He may be an old bucket, but he is a vet and he is given leeway to push and shove. I can see Bynum in foul trouble a couple games of a 7-gm series. Odom is going to be guarded by Hill and Diaw. Mismatches to say the least; he held his own against Marion.
On the flip side, they want him to play defense? They'd better come up w/ a new reason for their fans because even I have to give those dolts more credit than to buy that one. Shaq is physically busted.
Andriod_KiNg
Starter
Im excited all this is happening in the Pacific, should help the Kings get a bit competive too, and Shaq being back will bring a bit more fun in the Kings vs Suns / Suns vs Lakers games.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Is Miami not giving up the season anymore. Could we tempt them with an Artest for Davis+pick deal? Bibby?
Nah we couldn't. They'll probably use that pick to get their 3rd star, either a PG or a PF.
KingKong
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KingKong
Starter
In return for who Josh Howard?
beb0p
Starter
At this point, I'd take a late first round pick + expiring for Artest. And do it before Ron Ron goes crazy again.
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jon e
Bench
looks like everyone in the west is going for the gold right now, this season. possibly next season but at least our team has young talent, atheleticism, and have developed a chemistry under reggie. hopefully in a few years these teams (minus new orleans, portland, etc) will be too old to hang with the kings
Here's an angle I haven't seen mentioned anywhere yet: how does this trade affect the "do over" against Atlanta?
KingKong
Starter
I'm assuming the Heat have another shot at losing the same ball game, this time without Shaq. But you're right, is it still a ''do over'' if it's not the same team?
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
is there lotto protection on that pick?
beb0p
Starter
Miami's pick is lottery protected in 08. Top 10 in 09. Top 6 in 2010. Not protected thereafter.
I'm guessing Shaq for Marion and Marcus Banks. It looks like the Suns are make or break at this point. Always felt Marion was the heart of the team; super defender, best rebounder, best fastbreak finisher, best alley whoop finisher. Without Marion Nash isn't as effective around the basket or the fastbreak. Shaq and Amare are very similar if Nash dominates the ball. Maybe when Nash is resting Suns will play Shaq down low instead of Diaw in high post. Suns just can't get past Spurs. Reminds me of the Kings and Lakers somewhat.
Kingfanpaul
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I think this is a great trade for both teams. Heat get rid of the old unmotivated diesel and get a great versatile player in marion who will be great with wade. The suns now give themselves a chance to beat the spurs. You all should know by now that Shaq is only good on a winning team. If his team sucks he plays like crap, when he is on a winner he gives it his all. I expect to see a motivated Shaq play really well. Not the Shaq from before but much better than he has been. Suns just might win it this year.
HighFlyingMonkey
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SacKings7
Starter
This pretty much tells us Kidd will be going to Dallas after all...
I don't like the trade for Phoenix, but I understand it. They're preparing for the playoffs (the Spurs, really). Playoff games are usually half-court games, and since Phoenix's style of play hasn't gotten them a championship yet, they probably hope that Shaq can put them over the top
I don't like the trade for Phoenix, but I understand it. They're preparing for the playoffs (the Spurs, really). Playoff games are usually half-court games, and since Phoenix's style of play hasn't gotten them a championship yet, they probably hope that Shaq can put them over the top
bloom
Starter
Why can’t we come up with a lopsided trade that benefits us...I guess these gm’s are trying to outdo one another. I don’t see how Shaq can keep up with the suns, that’s my first concern and the fact that he really hasn’t been healthy is also a problem.
Jerry Brown of the East Valley Tribune: "Sources said both Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire were asked on Tuesday for their reaction to O'Neal possibly joining the team, and both were in favor of the move. The Suns would make the deal in order to move Stoudemire back to the power forward spot -- which Marion currently occupies -- and give the team a legitimate big man to battle players like San Antonio's Tim Duncan, Los Angeles' Andrew Bynum and New Orleans' Tyson Chandler. A move that would add O'Neal and subtract Marion who has finished Phoenix fast breaks for nine seasons with his high-flying, athletic abilities would certainly slow the Suns' trademark fast-paced game. But while the Suns still average 109.4 points a game, second to Golden State in the NBA, their running game has already been more muted than past seasons under coach Mike D'Antoni and chemistry issues have dogged the team since Marion demanded a trade two days before training camp."
source: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop...e-O-Neal----Shawn-Marion-Special-Edition.html
Jerry Brown of the East Valley Tribune: "Sources said both Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire were asked on Tuesday for their reaction to O'Neal possibly joining the team, and both were in favor of the move. The Suns would make the deal in order to move Stoudemire back to the power forward spot -- which Marion currently occupies -- and give the team a legitimate big man to battle players like San Antonio's Tim Duncan, Los Angeles' Andrew Bynum and New Orleans' Tyson Chandler. A move that would add O'Neal and subtract Marion who has finished Phoenix fast breaks for nine seasons with his high-flying, athletic abilities would certainly slow the Suns' trademark fast-paced game. But while the Suns still average 109.4 points a game, second to Golden State in the NBA, their running game has already been more muted than past seasons under coach Mike D'Antoni and chemistry issues have dogged the team since Marion demanded a trade two days before training camp."
source: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop...e-O-Neal----Shawn-Marion-Special-Edition.html
Andriod_KiNg
Starter
Omg hahahaha
bloom
Starter
Sources: Shaq passes physical, traded to Suns in Marion deal
Diesel will be chugging out West.
In one of the most improbable trades in NBA history, the Miami Heat traded Shaquille O'Neal to the Phoenix Suns on Wednesday for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks, sources close to the situation told ESPN.com.
O'Neal had traveled to Phoenix Wednesday morning to take a physical, which he presumably passed.
The Miami Herald first reported on its Web site Tuesday night that the Heat informed O'Neal that they were shopping him and that talks with the Suns were serious.
Marion and O'Neal were reportedly both in favor of the trade, with sources telling ESPN.com on Tuesday that the Heat center was eager to leave his deteriorating relationship with Miami coach Pat Riley.
O'Neal talked to Suns players including Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire, The Arizona Republic reported on Wednesday. "I will not let you down," O'Neal reportedly told Nash on the phone.
Read the rest of the article over here http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3234099
Diesel will be chugging out West.
In one of the most improbable trades in NBA history, the Miami Heat traded Shaquille O'Neal to the Phoenix Suns on Wednesday for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks, sources close to the situation told ESPN.com.
O'Neal had traveled to Phoenix Wednesday morning to take a physical, which he presumably passed.
The Miami Herald first reported on its Web site Tuesday night that the Heat informed O'Neal that they were shopping him and that talks with the Suns were serious.
Marion and O'Neal were reportedly both in favor of the trade, with sources telling ESPN.com on Tuesday that the Heat center was eager to leave his deteriorating relationship with Miami coach Pat Riley.
O'Neal talked to Suns players including Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire, The Arizona Republic reported on Wednesday. "I will not let you down," O'Neal reportedly told Nash on the phone.
Read the rest of the article over here http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3234099
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This, my friends, is what happens when you hire Steve Kerr as your "brain" trust. Of all the many many things that they must have been offered for Marion, they end up with a 36 year old $20mil a year 14pt 7reb center.
The little I've seen of him this season, he looks like he's jumping in oatmeal. He's just not even close to being the old Shaq.
GoGoGadget
All-Star
Shaq is going to be next to useless when Phoenix is playing another run & gun team, but if they're battling a team that slows it down (Spurs, perhaps) and speed is less of an issue... Shaq is and always will be a big mother****** that gets in the way.
